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Rubbish proposal

253 replies

Fidgetthefluffer · 07/08/2020 03:47

My DP proposed the other night and it was completely unexpected. To put it in context we have had a fucking horrendous year. He`s in court with his ex on an ongoing basis. We argue constantly about everything involved and his lack of boundaries with her have caused us massive problems. 2 weeks ago, we had yet another massive argument as he wants us to move towards joint finances. I lost my temper and pointed out amongst other things that he had never even taken me out for dinner despite earning over 3 times more than me.
For a long time, he was in debt as he pays his ex so much money, is rubbish at budgeting and so was living on credit cards. They were both terrible with money and got themselves in loads of debt which he took on at the end of the marriage. The only reason he / they did not go under is he earns a massive wage and it kept them afloat. I however am a saver and am very different. I used to treat him but soon realised he preferred much more expensive things then I was prepared to pay for. With a LOT of my help he has now got out of dept but as he now has so much more disposable income he spends thousands every month on random stuff. After a while it has started to grate that we are living these very different lives where he buys stuff constantly – He can afford it but doesn’t save – and I save obsessively so have some capital behind me but no nice “stuff.” It worries me for the future. I think at our age and position in life ( i.e. we are both very behind!) we need to be saving as much as possible regardless of how much we earn. Day to day its not an issue as we do not have joint finances and we spend our time together going hiking / inexpensive things that we both enjoy.
Anyway, I was very fed up after conversations and randomly got an email from my favourite jewellery designer with 20% off. Totally out of character I decided to buy myself a ring for approx. 100 quid. It was beautiful. I loved it and to be honest I was fed up of never doing anything nice for myself. It was also one if not the cheapest in the whole collection. I love all his work but can’t justify spending too much.

That night I mentioned it to my partner who went white and told me he had bought me the same ring. (He got emails as well as bought me a birthday ring there once.) I was really touched by how thoughtful he had been and that my remark has gone home. A bit of me was upset as we have talked about getting married and 5 years in, I’m starting to wonder what is going on. He has frequently told me he wanted to get married but nothing ever happened, and I realised that if he was buying me this ring then he was unlikely to be buying an engagement ring any time soon. I need to point out that this ring is as far away from an engagement ring as it is possible to be. The designer does make engagement rings as well but are obviously more money. They are stunning! I admit that if we ever got engaged, I was hoping to get rings from there. To be in perspective it is still less then 1/10 of his monthly after-tax income.

Both rings arrived and it was very funny. I did not open mine as I thought it was so lovely of him to have bought it and wanted to wear his. He was out last night with work and rolled in absolutely hammered. I had spent the evening kid wrestling and was just ready for bed. After telling me about his evening he said oh let’s check out the rings and ripped open the box. He then just asked me to marry him… it was unexpected to say the least. Sitting in my pyjamas in the kitchen. He could barely stand up. He was lovely and said lovely things, but it felt so completely random and un thought through. He has been out having loads of fun drinking cocktails all night and I`d been sat at home. To say we were on different wavelengths does not really cover it! I said yes as I do want to marry him. I was completely shocked by it all. He then fell asleep and I was awake thinking how the whole thing had felt so ridiculously un-special. I couldn’t imagine going to work the next day and suddenly being engaged. Calling my family... Honestly, I know its childish but we go hiking, we go to the beach, we climb mountains. Why he couldn’t have waited for something, anything, that could be even a little bit special. A massive issue in our lives is how fucked up he is by his ex-wife. I can’t help thinking about all the amazing holidays etc he took her on and I get a kitchen proposal. It really hurts. Especially the 100 quid ring which was 20% off. If he was a changed man and since paying off his debt, he had stopped spending them it wouldn’t sting so much but he spends 1000s every month on his hobbies. He continues to pay for his ex-wife’s expenses (separate from child support. A LOT more then 100 quid Wink ) I dunno, just this once I wanted to feel a bit special. Have some romance.

I know I`m being ridiculous. I lost it a bit the next morning and told him I didn’t want to get engaged like that. I said I was over the moon that he wanted to marry me and I definitely wanted to marry him but I wanted to have some better memories around it and make it special. I also want all the lawyer stuff to be over so that for once its about me and him and not him and his ex. He was understandably confused by it all and upset by my mixed messages. Arg I messed up fairly royally. Give me a talking to mumsnet. I’ve read all the other posts around this. Getting married - Its not a fairly story etc etc. I get all that. I’m def not looking for 20k rings and flash mobs! Just a bit of thought. Maybe a river or something? A scenic hill. Fuck even a glass of wine in the garden! A ring that is a bit more special than one I buy as a treat for myself. Am I being totally unreasonable? Or do I have a bit of a point? I literally don’t know!
I’m rereading my massive essay (sorry!) and am even judging myself. So basically, you are pissed off that he spends money on himself and exwife and you don’t get any. I guess that is a massive part of it! Still would have liked a beach or something

OP posts:
Jellyeggs · 07/08/2020 11:26

Just to add - my ds proposed to me in a shopping centre. Also very unromantic. But he’s an amazing, caring, respectful and loving man in other respect. The proposal is not the problem.

giantangryrooster · 07/08/2020 11:28

my ds proposed to me
Grin

AnneOfQueenSables · 07/08/2020 11:28

It's only a problem in that it encapsulates all the issues in their relationship ie selfishness, financial disparity, lack of respect, etc.

1forAll74 · 07/08/2020 11:29

A guy who doesn't seem responsible for things, a drunken proposal, and a life of arguments and a somewhat relationship mess. Rings are not important !

SurreyHillsGirl · 07/08/2020 11:29

To reiterate what everyone else has said, bin him, pronto.

MissSmiley · 07/08/2020 11:31

Just out of interest, how old are your children and his?

Dontbeme · 07/08/2020 11:34

can’t help feeling grabby

How often has he complained that his ex-wife was "high maintenance" or demanding or expecting a certain type of lifestyle, because that is your clue that he was training you to not expect anything from him.

CalmdownJanet · 07/08/2020 11:40

You need to say it about the price of the ring you really do. Because it's not about the price of being grabby, I have been engaged before and got a £200 ring, we were young, didn't earn much and were saving, I loved it and the cost did not matter but this isn't you, your oh is a flash fucking harry, spend money on shit, being the big I am, but he spends £80 on a ring after coming home drunk on cocktails which probably cost more than your ring, this is about where you lying on his priority list and how you are so low down on the list his effort with ring and proper is pitiful, Jesus stand up for yourself, send his ring back, keep your own, it may be the same but won ring was bought as a treat and excitement the other was bought out of meanness, uh, this isn't about being grabby it's about self respect

CalmdownJanet · 07/08/2020 11:41

God ignore the spelling mistakes in that rant Blush

Dontbeme · 07/08/2020 11:44

Another option to consider OP is sending one ring back, getting a refund and then using that cash to buy black bags so the fucker can pack his shit and go, as you give him the middle finger that is wearing the ring you bought for yourself.

AudTheDeepMinded · 07/08/2020 11:44

I think he's chosen a cheapie ring to shackle you to him. He sounds a nightmare, you deserve so much more all round.

JellyFishSquish · 07/08/2020 11:48

YABU for thinking you might marry this man.

I guess when he was trying to get out of debt and I had savings I didnt want make him pay as seemed unfair. Then we got into the habit of always paying our own way. Its just over the years my savings have grown (as I spend bugger all) and he has only just managed to pay off his debt. It was a massive culture change for him and he does genuinely say it was me that changed him

You have also said he spends loads, without thinking. Just before the proposal he was spending on cocktails... You have enabled his continued spending by always paying your way even though you do not make a similar salary. You didn't change him so much as allowed him to pay off his debt fairly painlessly because although he makes more than you, you always paid your own way.

So, you do not make as much money as him, buy "bugger all" for yourself but pay your own way and have increased your savings. He makes loads, spends loads and has just managed to pay off debts. Has no savings, I imagine.

What with this expensive hobby, he probably is not even contemplating saving money. For a deposit, say. Oh, but that's ok, YOU have savings, so he doesn't need to. More enabling. You have carefully saved and denied things for yourself, he has put some money aside to pay off a debt he should not have incurred whilst feeling free to still spend money. Quite a bit of it, by the sounds of it.

YABU to imagine marrying this man.

Just a thought: how many of those rings could he have bought with what he has spent on his sports equipment?

Waveysnail · 07/08/2020 11:48

For a start I'd want total financial transparency before doing anything about moving towards marriage. I'd want to see his credit record, how much he earns, his outgoings etc.

Tbh I wouldn't marry him. I'd buy a house in your own name so it's yours

fwwaftp · 07/08/2020 11:48

this isn't about being grabby it's about self respect

Absolutely. I hate the word grabby. You are not being grabby to want to be treated with some respect and receive an engagement ring which he has put some effort into choosing. He's spending money willy nilly on himself and on his ex-wife so I am sure he could have saved some money somewhere to choose something. He has the money, he's just decided it's not worth spending on your ring.
It would be a whole different story if he was in a low-paid job (he earns 3 times as much as you after all) or if he was struggling to put food on the table but he's splashing the cash everywhere.

Good grief. You need to get rid of him.
You need to work on your own self-esteem and self-respect. It is not grabby to think that you deserve better than this.

ShesMadeATwatOfMePam · 07/08/2020 11:54

he pays religiously & well ( well well) over what he is required

Or to put it another way, he pays well over the odds so that he doesn't have to address any difficulty conversations with the ex. Op you deserve someone who treats you like a queen and like you're the most important thing in the world (aside from his kids). Why don't you believe that?

time4anothername · 07/08/2020 11:56

You've spent your relationship rescuing him, you have bought into the story that he is a victim who needs rescuing from his mean ex. You sound codependent, always trying to fix him and never conveying that you need or are worth prizing - so you are treated with disrespect.

If you continue with this current dynamic you will have a life of being disappointed that nothing is done for you emotionally or practically. you are at high risk of being tied to his new debts he will make, losing your equity. You may find it hard to believe now but when he can no longer play the victim anymore he will move on to someone else who is trained to be a rescuer and you will be painted as another mad and terrible ex who is preventing him living the life he believes he deserves.

He has done you a massive favour with this proposal because this will be your life and he has shown it to you and you now have the chance to escape before you are emotionally and financially ruined. Why does this manchild deserve to be rescued while you do not? Where did you learn to become a rescuer rather than an equal partner?

Time to start over.

JellyFishSquish · 07/08/2020 11:58

By "sports equipment" I meant hobby stuff, of course, just guessing it might be a sport

Techway · 07/08/2020 12:06

Op, quite simply, YOU DESERVE BETTER.

Maybe you don't believe that. Once I truly realised this it changed my perspective. Rather than arguing to get him to change how he behaved I accepted ExH was as good as he could get but that wasn't enough for me. Raise your standards and genuinely believe you are worth more. It is surprising how clear the situation becomes.

WeAllHaveWings · 07/08/2020 12:11

dh and I agreed to marry over a stick covered in piss (pg test). Can't even remember who brought the subject up.

You are being materialistic about the ring. Lots have people don't have, or care about a "romantic" proposal.

What you do have are huge relationship problems and you need to decide if you want make a life long commitment and have these for the rest of your life. People don't change.

quizqueen · 07/08/2020 12:14

People stay with, and often marry, the most unsuitable and incompatible of partners. Then they come on here a few years down the line, when they feel trapped with 2 kids and another on the way, claiming they don't know where it's all went wrong. I have zero sympathy, I'm afraid, for anyone's poor lifestyle choices, especially when they've had plenty of sensible advice to the contrary!

Isthisnothing · 07/08/2020 12:17

I'm sorry op but the price of the ring in THIS context does matter. He's a spendthrift. A hundred quid! He would have spent more on the cocktails that he didn't even drink with you...

I'm not commenting on the rest of it because pretty much everyone has said it all.

It sounds like you don't want to leave and that's fine, you love him, your kids love him.

But don't wear his ring or announce your engagement. Tell him the truth. Give him a timeline to sort his finances with his ex and tell him to plan a proper proposal with a proper ring and then you will give him a proper answer.

If he can't be bothered why should you?

Marriage is no small thing. I'm realising that more now I'm watching my partner going through divorce (it takes years here). Legally my partner is still married to somebody else. It's really driven home to me what a huge legal commitment the whole thing is.

MrsJemimaDuck · 07/08/2020 12:52

Your self esteem is down in the dumps, and he (and probably also other predator like people) senses this about you. He will never have to be better, because he knows you will accept crumbs.
It seems like you’re not really in the position to be in a relationship now. It sounds like your ex was abusive, well, your new partner is on the way there. Get therapy to fix yourself, demand better, and don’t marry him.

Wallywobbles · 07/08/2020 13:13

Just move the ring to another finger. When he notices just say it's not an engagement ring really is it. It's just a nice every day ring.

And that's coming from someone who wears her great grandmothers ring as it's nicer than anything we could ever afford and at least I now wear it every day.

MarkRuffaloCrumble · 07/08/2020 13:29

@Dontbeme

Another option to consider OP is sending one ring back, getting a refund and then using that cash to buy black bags so the fucker can pack his shit and go, as you give him the middle finger that is wearing the ring you bought for yourself.
Grin I fucking love this response! Perfect.
Seeingadistance · 07/08/2020 13:37

@GOODCAT

A marriage is a financial partnership. If it ends in divorce you split your assets, after debts are accounted for, between you.

If you are the one who has contributed all or most of those assets because of his poor spending, you are going to feel as though marriage was the worst financial decision of your life.

This!

There is nothing for you in marriage to this guy, and everything to lose.