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Rubbish proposal

253 replies

Fidgetthefluffer · 07/08/2020 03:47

My DP proposed the other night and it was completely unexpected. To put it in context we have had a fucking horrendous year. He`s in court with his ex on an ongoing basis. We argue constantly about everything involved and his lack of boundaries with her have caused us massive problems. 2 weeks ago, we had yet another massive argument as he wants us to move towards joint finances. I lost my temper and pointed out amongst other things that he had never even taken me out for dinner despite earning over 3 times more than me.
For a long time, he was in debt as he pays his ex so much money, is rubbish at budgeting and so was living on credit cards. They were both terrible with money and got themselves in loads of debt which he took on at the end of the marriage. The only reason he / they did not go under is he earns a massive wage and it kept them afloat. I however am a saver and am very different. I used to treat him but soon realised he preferred much more expensive things then I was prepared to pay for. With a LOT of my help he has now got out of dept but as he now has so much more disposable income he spends thousands every month on random stuff. After a while it has started to grate that we are living these very different lives where he buys stuff constantly – He can afford it but doesn’t save – and I save obsessively so have some capital behind me but no nice “stuff.” It worries me for the future. I think at our age and position in life ( i.e. we are both very behind!) we need to be saving as much as possible regardless of how much we earn. Day to day its not an issue as we do not have joint finances and we spend our time together going hiking / inexpensive things that we both enjoy.
Anyway, I was very fed up after conversations and randomly got an email from my favourite jewellery designer with 20% off. Totally out of character I decided to buy myself a ring for approx. 100 quid. It was beautiful. I loved it and to be honest I was fed up of never doing anything nice for myself. It was also one if not the cheapest in the whole collection. I love all his work but can’t justify spending too much.

That night I mentioned it to my partner who went white and told me he had bought me the same ring. (He got emails as well as bought me a birthday ring there once.) I was really touched by how thoughtful he had been and that my remark has gone home. A bit of me was upset as we have talked about getting married and 5 years in, I’m starting to wonder what is going on. He has frequently told me he wanted to get married but nothing ever happened, and I realised that if he was buying me this ring then he was unlikely to be buying an engagement ring any time soon. I need to point out that this ring is as far away from an engagement ring as it is possible to be. The designer does make engagement rings as well but are obviously more money. They are stunning! I admit that if we ever got engaged, I was hoping to get rings from there. To be in perspective it is still less then 1/10 of his monthly after-tax income.

Both rings arrived and it was very funny. I did not open mine as I thought it was so lovely of him to have bought it and wanted to wear his. He was out last night with work and rolled in absolutely hammered. I had spent the evening kid wrestling and was just ready for bed. After telling me about his evening he said oh let’s check out the rings and ripped open the box. He then just asked me to marry him… it was unexpected to say the least. Sitting in my pyjamas in the kitchen. He could barely stand up. He was lovely and said lovely things, but it felt so completely random and un thought through. He has been out having loads of fun drinking cocktails all night and I`d been sat at home. To say we were on different wavelengths does not really cover it! I said yes as I do want to marry him. I was completely shocked by it all. He then fell asleep and I was awake thinking how the whole thing had felt so ridiculously un-special. I couldn’t imagine going to work the next day and suddenly being engaged. Calling my family... Honestly, I know its childish but we go hiking, we go to the beach, we climb mountains. Why he couldn’t have waited for something, anything, that could be even a little bit special. A massive issue in our lives is how fucked up he is by his ex-wife. I can’t help thinking about all the amazing holidays etc he took her on and I get a kitchen proposal. It really hurts. Especially the 100 quid ring which was 20% off. If he was a changed man and since paying off his debt, he had stopped spending them it wouldn’t sting so much but he spends 1000s every month on his hobbies. He continues to pay for his ex-wife’s expenses (separate from child support. A LOT more then 100 quid Wink ) I dunno, just this once I wanted to feel a bit special. Have some romance.

I know I`m being ridiculous. I lost it a bit the next morning and told him I didn’t want to get engaged like that. I said I was over the moon that he wanted to marry me and I definitely wanted to marry him but I wanted to have some better memories around it and make it special. I also want all the lawyer stuff to be over so that for once its about me and him and not him and his ex. He was understandably confused by it all and upset by my mixed messages. Arg I messed up fairly royally. Give me a talking to mumsnet. I’ve read all the other posts around this. Getting married - Its not a fairly story etc etc. I get all that. I’m def not looking for 20k rings and flash mobs! Just a bit of thought. Maybe a river or something? A scenic hill. Fuck even a glass of wine in the garden! A ring that is a bit more special than one I buy as a treat for myself. Am I being totally unreasonable? Or do I have a bit of a point? I literally don’t know!
I’m rereading my massive essay (sorry!) and am even judging myself. So basically, you are pissed off that he spends money on himself and exwife and you don’t get any. I guess that is a massive part of it! Still would have liked a beach or something

OP posts:
VoldemortsMaid · 07/08/2020 06:25

Sorry, OP, but if you marry this man you'll be back on here in however many months/years asking for advice on how to leave.

If he is spending 1000s a month on a hobby and is proposing to you drunk with a cheap ring, you're very far down on his list of priorities.

Prig · 07/08/2020 06:26

This guy is not going to make you happy. Boundaries with ex.... Not taken you out for a meal in three years? Yet spends thousands every few months? Come on. Rolling in hammered - fine but is this a common occurrence? Everything added up sounds really stressful. If he loves you then heavens he should be proving with all the fire in him that although he has to pay for certain things (I.e. Ex stuff), YOU are his priority now and he will do everything to make you feel special from now on.

Thehop · 07/08/2020 06:28

Oh dear, I don’t think you’ve listened to previous posts Op.

This is a car crash waiting to happen. You would be mad to marry him.

Please step back and don’t do anything permanent. You really are not compatible at all.

remainin · 07/08/2020 06:28

So many red flags here, OP. The biggest deal-breaker is your different approaches to money. Disagreement over finances is one of the main causes of marital failure.

BluntAndToThePoint80 · 07/08/2020 06:28

I agree with PP. he’s not for you.

I think money is very important - you clearly have very different attitudes to it. Do you want to spend your life babying him on this. How would it work if you have kids and he can’t / shouldn’t be wasting thousands on rubbish.

I also think in this case the amount he spent on the ring is an issue. It’s not that he couldn’t afford better. It’s not that he doesn’t believe in being frivolous with his cash and is an obsessive saver. He has cash there to spend, and is willing to spend it on pointless expensive “stuff” for himself, but he’s not willing to spend any of it on you. There was also no thought or effort in your proposal. That could have been a free activity as you say, but all of it combined (including your comments about his other issues and delaying asking you) leads me to think he’s not that enthusiastic about marrying you and/or fundamentally understand or care it’s important to you.

Aquamarine1029 · 07/08/2020 06:31

You could marry this man, or you could instead tie an anchor around your neck and drop yourself into the middle of the fucking ocean.

Same difference, really.

LordOfTheOnionRings · 07/08/2020 06:37

He sounds awful

InDreamland · 07/08/2020 06:41

I agree with PP. He sounds totally wrong for you. You're clearly not his priority and you are also frustrated by some fundamental things - the actual proposal and ring is irrelevant in this case. The relationship sounds doomed. Sorry OP but from what you've written I would say run for the hills, do not marry him, I can't understand why you even want to marry him, he sounds awful.

Iwonder08 · 07/08/2020 06:41

OP, there is absolutely nothing wrong with wanting a great proposal and memories for life.. Every time I think of mine I smile.. It was great. However I suspect your reaction wasn't just due to a lack of beautiful mountain scenery..It is a complete lack of effort. Especially after you've done to him to help with his debt.
For me his approach to finance would be a complete deal breaker. Even if you could deal with that.. No woman should feel that unappreciated

BackwardsGoing · 07/08/2020 06:43

Don't marry someone who is awful with money. Just don't.

Imknackeredzzz · 07/08/2020 06:47

Are you deliberately ignoring every poster who’s telling you what a complete idiot this man is, I assume your going to go ahead and marry him.

Your totally mad- he’s awful

TheAquaticDuchess · 07/08/2020 06:52

I said yes as I do want to marry him

But genuinely, why?

He’s terrible with money. He’s legally entangled with an ex with whom he has no boundaries and an ongoing relationship which causes problems for you. He’s selfish about spending. He doesn’t see you as a financial equal, and he doesn’t treat you with the generosity with which he treats his ex. He bought a cheap ring and proposed in the most casual, half-assed way possible.

Where is the good in this relationship? Where is the evidence that he’s going to be a decent, loving and supportive husband? Why are you so glad to be accepting crumbs from the table when you should be an equal?

WotsitWiggle · 07/08/2020 06:56

I guess I am just hoping for a new beginning.. With him out of debt. Boundaries with his ex

@Fidgetthefluffer the above is NOT going to happen. You cannot change him or his ex. If you resent how things are now, finish the relationship. A ring on your finger, a big party and a marriage certificate will not change how you are together.

labyrinthloafer · 07/08/2020 06:57

Only one person has described him as 'sweet' and everyone else has said it sounds a bad idea.

I'm sure you'll do exactly what you want anyway, but I am siding with the majority on this one, sorry.

MordredsOrrery · 07/08/2020 06:58

I voted YABU, but that's only because you said yes.

OP, he doesn't sound like the one for you. Even if you ignore every other red flag in your post, he proposed with the very cheapest ring in the collection, despite apparently having thousands at his disposal each month. There's something very unbalanced about this. How much bankrolling have you been doing? Are you sure he's out of debt? Doesn't buy you dinner? Wants to join finances?

This sounds like an easy way to force you into joining finances, then what's yours is his and his financial black hole is yours. Even if you stay with him (and I cannot fathom why you would from the rest of your post) don't actually marry him.

Ginger1982 · 07/08/2020 07:01

I have no idea why you would want to marry him. He sounds like a complete arsehole. Get rid. As others have said, if you really wanted to marry him, the proposal wouldn't matter.

AFireInJuly · 07/08/2020 07:02

Forget about the ring and the proposal! Why do you even want to marry him. You said you had a massive argument because he wanted to move towards joint finances, but marriage is OK?

He sounds useless and you will not be happy.

But, yes, the whole proposal does sound rubbish but that’s probably the level of effort you can expect him to make from now on if you say yes.

FourPlasticRings · 07/08/2020 07:07

The proposal thing wouldn't bother me tbh. However, the money aspect would be a big, glaring red flag saying, 'Do not marry this man!'

SunshineCake · 07/08/2020 07:09

Why are you settling for this man ? That is the issue, not a kitchen proposal.

Ughmaybenot · 07/08/2020 07:11

This isn’t about a ‘rubbish’ proposal, if he was the right man, it wouldn’t matter a jot, it’s about the fact your relationship is a mess and you aren’t right together. Take this as a bloody wake up call and move on!

MadameMeursault · 07/08/2020 07:11

Do Not Marry This Man.

You’re already having big arguments. That will get worse not better. I’m sorry but you come across like you’re a bit desperate to be married and you’re settling for him.

It’s not about the proposal it’s about the proposer. Get rid.

upsidedownwavylegs · 07/08/2020 07:13

I don’t understand how you get to living with someone who’s never taken you out for dinner, let alone wanting to marry them. And he wants shared finances? How do you really see that going? You can’t change him, but you can and should choose not to marry him.

Leflic · 07/08/2020 07:14

Oh come on. There’s two of you in this relationship and you have just written a very long post about some serious differences. You have a cobbled a life together but that’s not the same as being right with each other.

Would you honestly be with him if he wasn’t such a high earner.

Glitterb · 07/08/2020 07:15

The way you describe the relationship is almost like you were thinking of dumping him and then he proposes so you want to marry him?

Sorry OP, but do you really want to be attached to this man for the rest of your life?

Shoxfordian · 07/08/2020 07:15

Don't marry him