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Rubbish proposal

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Fidgetthefluffer · 07/08/2020 03:47

My DP proposed the other night and it was completely unexpected. To put it in context we have had a fucking horrendous year. He`s in court with his ex on an ongoing basis. We argue constantly about everything involved and his lack of boundaries with her have caused us massive problems. 2 weeks ago, we had yet another massive argument as he wants us to move towards joint finances. I lost my temper and pointed out amongst other things that he had never even taken me out for dinner despite earning over 3 times more than me.
For a long time, he was in debt as he pays his ex so much money, is rubbish at budgeting and so was living on credit cards. They were both terrible with money and got themselves in loads of debt which he took on at the end of the marriage. The only reason he / they did not go under is he earns a massive wage and it kept them afloat. I however am a saver and am very different. I used to treat him but soon realised he preferred much more expensive things then I was prepared to pay for. With a LOT of my help he has now got out of dept but as he now has so much more disposable income he spends thousands every month on random stuff. After a while it has started to grate that we are living these very different lives where he buys stuff constantly – He can afford it but doesn’t save – and I save obsessively so have some capital behind me but no nice “stuff.” It worries me for the future. I think at our age and position in life ( i.e. we are both very behind!) we need to be saving as much as possible regardless of how much we earn. Day to day its not an issue as we do not have joint finances and we spend our time together going hiking / inexpensive things that we both enjoy.
Anyway, I was very fed up after conversations and randomly got an email from my favourite jewellery designer with 20% off. Totally out of character I decided to buy myself a ring for approx. 100 quid. It was beautiful. I loved it and to be honest I was fed up of never doing anything nice for myself. It was also one if not the cheapest in the whole collection. I love all his work but can’t justify spending too much.

That night I mentioned it to my partner who went white and told me he had bought me the same ring. (He got emails as well as bought me a birthday ring there once.) I was really touched by how thoughtful he had been and that my remark has gone home. A bit of me was upset as we have talked about getting married and 5 years in, I’m starting to wonder what is going on. He has frequently told me he wanted to get married but nothing ever happened, and I realised that if he was buying me this ring then he was unlikely to be buying an engagement ring any time soon. I need to point out that this ring is as far away from an engagement ring as it is possible to be. The designer does make engagement rings as well but are obviously more money. They are stunning! I admit that if we ever got engaged, I was hoping to get rings from there. To be in perspective it is still less then 1/10 of his monthly after-tax income.

Both rings arrived and it was very funny. I did not open mine as I thought it was so lovely of him to have bought it and wanted to wear his. He was out last night with work and rolled in absolutely hammered. I had spent the evening kid wrestling and was just ready for bed. After telling me about his evening he said oh let’s check out the rings and ripped open the box. He then just asked me to marry him… it was unexpected to say the least. Sitting in my pyjamas in the kitchen. He could barely stand up. He was lovely and said lovely things, but it felt so completely random and un thought through. He has been out having loads of fun drinking cocktails all night and I`d been sat at home. To say we were on different wavelengths does not really cover it! I said yes as I do want to marry him. I was completely shocked by it all. He then fell asleep and I was awake thinking how the whole thing had felt so ridiculously un-special. I couldn’t imagine going to work the next day and suddenly being engaged. Calling my family... Honestly, I know its childish but we go hiking, we go to the beach, we climb mountains. Why he couldn’t have waited for something, anything, that could be even a little bit special. A massive issue in our lives is how fucked up he is by his ex-wife. I can’t help thinking about all the amazing holidays etc he took her on and I get a kitchen proposal. It really hurts. Especially the 100 quid ring which was 20% off. If he was a changed man and since paying off his debt, he had stopped spending them it wouldn’t sting so much but he spends 1000s every month on his hobbies. He continues to pay for his ex-wife’s expenses (separate from child support. A LOT more then 100 quid Wink ) I dunno, just this once I wanted to feel a bit special. Have some romance.

I know I`m being ridiculous. I lost it a bit the next morning and told him I didn’t want to get engaged like that. I said I was over the moon that he wanted to marry me and I definitely wanted to marry him but I wanted to have some better memories around it and make it special. I also want all the lawyer stuff to be over so that for once its about me and him and not him and his ex. He was understandably confused by it all and upset by my mixed messages. Arg I messed up fairly royally. Give me a talking to mumsnet. I’ve read all the other posts around this. Getting married - Its not a fairly story etc etc. I get all that. I’m def not looking for 20k rings and flash mobs! Just a bit of thought. Maybe a river or something? A scenic hill. Fuck even a glass of wine in the garden! A ring that is a bit more special than one I buy as a treat for myself. Am I being totally unreasonable? Or do I have a bit of a point? I literally don’t know!
I’m rereading my massive essay (sorry!) and am even judging myself. So basically, you are pissed off that he spends money on himself and exwife and you don’t get any. I guess that is a massive part of it! Still would have liked a beach or something

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Monr0e · 07/08/2020 10:09

What everyone else said, he sounds awful.

And just because he earns more shouldn't mean he doesn't contribute the same amount of savings into a house purchase (which you definitely shouldn't do)

You should be with someone who wants to do bike things for you, and vice versa, just because you care about them and want to make them happy. He is a selfish arse who is only concerned with pleasing himself.

And if he proposed pissed up after a night out, will he even remember when he wakes up? You have the perfect opportunity to pretend it never even happened and work on getting out of the relationship, not tying yourself even more to him.

Do you live together now? How are finances shared at present?

Monr0e · 07/08/2020 10:10

Nice things, not bike things 🤦‍♂️

rainbowstardrops · 07/08/2020 10:12

His attitude towards money sounds exhausting.
A drunken kitchen proposal could be laughed off but buying a gift for you and then passing it off as an engagement ring is pissy. I'd have to have a long chat with him re going forward.

zingally · 07/08/2020 10:17

I think you've got a LOT of stuff to work through, before you even THINK about marriage...

bakereld · 07/08/2020 10:19

He needs to get sorted with debt and all of the other issues before you even think about marrying him. Don't let his problems become yours.

starfishmummy · 07/08/2020 10:20

If you really cared about HIM then the size of the ring and the rubbishness of the proposal wouldnt matter.

Do him a favour and leave.

hammeringinmyhead · 07/08/2020 10:23

OP, you can do so much better than this guy. Paying for his ex wife's "expenses" (which are what?) while spending £100 on a ring for you is telling you loud and clear where you are in his list of priorities.

My DH proposed when we were students and he still organised a day out, took me for a meal and proposed in a nice setting.

Chickychickydodah · 07/08/2020 10:27

I wouldn’t marry him, too much baggage and crap going on...

wishing3 · 07/08/2020 10:29

I can totally see why you are unhappy with the situation and think that you should discuss all of the issues with him and see if things can be resolved before you commit to anything.

dontgobaconmyheart · 07/08/2020 10:32

It doesn't sound like he's the guy doe you OP. Wanting it to work isn't the same as wanting him, a ring and and engagement aren't a fresh start. They are what you already have, except you have a ring.

You seem to have very different attitudes. Money ans financial status are clearly very important to you, but what he does with his is up to him, as it what he pays his ex. He does that because he chooses to or chooses not to deal with the issue, presumably. She won't be going anywhere and it seems you want him to be someone he isn't.

Nice of him to get you a ring you'd like but I wouldn't have pandered, he isn't one of your DC so no need to put on a performance about keeping 'his' returning yours, reassuring him every 5 minutes how wonderful and thoughtful he is or how clever he was to utilise a discount that was given to him. He's an adult, it's a nice gesture, a shame and rather funny you both bought it but no big deal. I'd have kept the one I ordered as it was a gift to myself and politely ask him to return his.

The engagement sounds like a farce OP. You're disappointed, he was drunk, you're arguing constantly and there are external issues. It doesn't sound like it is the best decision. You don't need to be grateful that he likes you enough to buy a ring. That should be the norm.

Lolapusht · 07/08/2020 10:39

Agree that the proposal is the least of your worries. You’re financially incompatible and while he may have changed, he hasn’t changed enough for it to work long term. He should have an equal deposit to you, if not more (which can obviously be protected when/if you buy). The problem is that he isn’t considerate. He thinks about him and can’t think about doing something to benefit you off his own back. Great that you split restaurant bills etc, but how on earth has he never thought “I’ll get this one”? Never thought to buy dinner for your anniversary, birthday or just because you’d had a rough week? You helped him sort out his finances, he hasn’t worked out on his own that he needs to save a deposit but thinks it’s ok to spiv thousands on a hobby. His hobby is just a new place to throw money and unless he gets to the bottom of why he is irresponsible with money, that’s not going to change. You might have to be in charge of finances and probably give him an allowance. How much does he earn each month, how much is he giving his ex and how much CM? Add all of that to how much he spends on non-essentials, are you sure he’s got enough to cover everything? Sure he’s not in debt again?

He could have waited until you were at the top of a mountain, but he didn’t think of it. He bought a ring that cost the same as a pair of trousers or some fancy face cream. He could have taken 30 seconds to look at the rest of the website to see if there was maybe something else (was the ring he got the one that was linked in the email?!), but he didn’t think of it. He will never think of those things. Do you want to spend the rest of your life sorting out his finances and looking after him? Do you need another child? We had a 4am, drunken proposal with a foil ring and it was proposal is not the problem.

IveHadEnoughNowArgh · 07/08/2020 10:39

OP come on. Every update you post makes it clearer that marriage is not the best decision right now with all the issues.

I totally agree with some of the previous posts that a proposal doesn't have to be extravagant. I know some people place a lot of emphasis on the proposal being magical but it doesn't have to be 🤷‍♀️ My husband simply asked me to marry him while sitting on the sofa. We went out and bought ring and I had to lend him the money. He paid me back and 14 years later we are still happy.

But I don't think it is the manner of the proposal, it's a symptom of everything else that shows you aren't in tune with each other right now.

Villanemme · 07/08/2020 10:48

Why would he propose in the midst of all these rows? Does he think this will make you shut up about all his financial shenanigans? Don't even consider it. Nor joint finances! Yikes! The front of the man to even suggest it! Keep two separate households, separate finances and just date would be my suggestion. Maybe reconsider if the ex situation/spending sprees ever resolve themselves (and not by you). He's no prize by the sound of it so don't treat him as such.

MoreListeningLessChatting · 07/08/2020 10:49

Regardless of the proposal you sound so wrong for each other.

He still enables his ex to continue a stupid lavish lifestyle that she enjoys (why exactly - child maintenance etc fine but extras?... what is the reason for this - is he 'over' her), he continues to spend excessively. You are being careful.

This will grate more and more over time.

Zhampagne · 07/08/2020 10:52

Do not marry this man, do not merge your finances with his, and double up on your contraception. There is absolutely nothing in your posts to suggest that you get anything out of this relationship.

cuparfull · 07/08/2020 10:56

@AmandaHugenkiss

He proposed drunk, in the kitchen, with the cheapest ring in a brochure he knows you like. He’s pushing for joint finances and spends 1000s a month on a hobby but won’t spend on you, and doesn’t save. He wants you to finance a house with your deposit, and bail him out financially if he gets stuck again. YOU have got him out of debt from the sounds of it, by managing him.

Don’t do it. I had shit drunken proposals from someone who later admitted he wouldn’t have done it sober, and only did it to stop me from leaving. This has disaster written all over it.

As above Hmm Plan your exit strategy now. This will not have a happy ending. You are wasting valuable time.
Jellybeansincognito · 07/08/2020 10:57

5 years in and he’s never taken you for a meal? You constantly argue.

I don’t understand how you can be so negative about your relationship/ partner yet be so willing to get married to him.

Fidgetthefluffer · 07/08/2020 11:09

Thanks for input everyone. It’s really interesting. I think my self esteem has been so destroyed by the ex situation I was grateful for a proposal of any kind! Fuck it’s very messed up! He’s def not in love with ex but their situation is very toxic. Don’t want to go into it - a subject for another day! Suffice to say it seems relentless. I have zero doubts of his good behaviour in this area - he pays religiously & well ( well well) over what he is required and is genuinely a wonderful father. His ability to stand up to her is another thing all together.

Anyway I think you are all right and where I’m certainly not leaving this instant I will talk about delaying all buying houses and engagements.

I don’t think I can say anything about the price of the ring as despite you all I can’t help feeling grabby. Maybe he really did see it and think that’s the one she would like the most. I do love it! It’s beautifulGrin just ya know not as an engagement ring!

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Angliski · 07/08/2020 11:17

Why on earth would you want a proposal from this man? He sounds very dysfunctional. And tight. Sorry

sugarbum · 07/08/2020 11:19

I think you've spectacularly missed the glaringly obvious issue here OP.

The shitfaced proposal is not the problem. Its another symptom.

The problem is your DP. You need to get rid. He will NOT improve. The situation is just going to get worse. RUN for the hills. PLEASE don't marry him.

giantangryrooster · 07/08/2020 11:21

Since you keep defending him and seem hellbent on marrying him, please take this into account:

All financial matters with his ex must be resolved and must have been going smooth for one year at least.

You need to be on the same page with spending/saving. Right now you are light-years apart. One year where you are on the same page with this, too.

He is 'good' with money when it concerns spending on you, but a reckless spender with his ex and himself. Until he makes an absolute u-turn on this, he is not for you.

All in all wait, set boundaries and make sure the change is not just a week/month.

You seem low on his list of priorities, that and not agreeing on finances is a quick route to disaster in a marriage.

giantangryrooster · 07/08/2020 11:24

Nah x-post Grin.

Jellyeggs · 07/08/2020 11:24

YABU for wanting to marry this man. Sorry OP.

AnneOfQueenSables · 07/08/2020 11:25

I can’t help feeling grabby
You need to tease out why reasonable expectations of time, concern, respect and finances make you feel 'grabby'. Your inability to see that your expectations are reasonable (and not grabby) has partly contributed to where you find yourself in this unbalanced relationship.

midsomermurderess · 07/08/2020 11:26

I don't understand how you have been together for five years. You both must be very miserable, but desperate. Anyone better than no one. That is very rarely the case.