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Rubbish proposal

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Fidgetthefluffer · 07/08/2020 03:47

My DP proposed the other night and it was completely unexpected. To put it in context we have had a fucking horrendous year. He`s in court with his ex on an ongoing basis. We argue constantly about everything involved and his lack of boundaries with her have caused us massive problems. 2 weeks ago, we had yet another massive argument as he wants us to move towards joint finances. I lost my temper and pointed out amongst other things that he had never even taken me out for dinner despite earning over 3 times more than me.
For a long time, he was in debt as he pays his ex so much money, is rubbish at budgeting and so was living on credit cards. They were both terrible with money and got themselves in loads of debt which he took on at the end of the marriage. The only reason he / they did not go under is he earns a massive wage and it kept them afloat. I however am a saver and am very different. I used to treat him but soon realised he preferred much more expensive things then I was prepared to pay for. With a LOT of my help he has now got out of dept but as he now has so much more disposable income he spends thousands every month on random stuff. After a while it has started to grate that we are living these very different lives where he buys stuff constantly – He can afford it but doesn’t save – and I save obsessively so have some capital behind me but no nice “stuff.” It worries me for the future. I think at our age and position in life ( i.e. we are both very behind!) we need to be saving as much as possible regardless of how much we earn. Day to day its not an issue as we do not have joint finances and we spend our time together going hiking / inexpensive things that we both enjoy.
Anyway, I was very fed up after conversations and randomly got an email from my favourite jewellery designer with 20% off. Totally out of character I decided to buy myself a ring for approx. 100 quid. It was beautiful. I loved it and to be honest I was fed up of never doing anything nice for myself. It was also one if not the cheapest in the whole collection. I love all his work but can’t justify spending too much.

That night I mentioned it to my partner who went white and told me he had bought me the same ring. (He got emails as well as bought me a birthday ring there once.) I was really touched by how thoughtful he had been and that my remark has gone home. A bit of me was upset as we have talked about getting married and 5 years in, I’m starting to wonder what is going on. He has frequently told me he wanted to get married but nothing ever happened, and I realised that if he was buying me this ring then he was unlikely to be buying an engagement ring any time soon. I need to point out that this ring is as far away from an engagement ring as it is possible to be. The designer does make engagement rings as well but are obviously more money. They are stunning! I admit that if we ever got engaged, I was hoping to get rings from there. To be in perspective it is still less then 1/10 of his monthly after-tax income.

Both rings arrived and it was very funny. I did not open mine as I thought it was so lovely of him to have bought it and wanted to wear his. He was out last night with work and rolled in absolutely hammered. I had spent the evening kid wrestling and was just ready for bed. After telling me about his evening he said oh let’s check out the rings and ripped open the box. He then just asked me to marry him… it was unexpected to say the least. Sitting in my pyjamas in the kitchen. He could barely stand up. He was lovely and said lovely things, but it felt so completely random and un thought through. He has been out having loads of fun drinking cocktails all night and I`d been sat at home. To say we were on different wavelengths does not really cover it! I said yes as I do want to marry him. I was completely shocked by it all. He then fell asleep and I was awake thinking how the whole thing had felt so ridiculously un-special. I couldn’t imagine going to work the next day and suddenly being engaged. Calling my family... Honestly, I know its childish but we go hiking, we go to the beach, we climb mountains. Why he couldn’t have waited for something, anything, that could be even a little bit special. A massive issue in our lives is how fucked up he is by his ex-wife. I can’t help thinking about all the amazing holidays etc he took her on and I get a kitchen proposal. It really hurts. Especially the 100 quid ring which was 20% off. If he was a changed man and since paying off his debt, he had stopped spending them it wouldn’t sting so much but he spends 1000s every month on his hobbies. He continues to pay for his ex-wife’s expenses (separate from child support. A LOT more then 100 quid Wink ) I dunno, just this once I wanted to feel a bit special. Have some romance.

I know I`m being ridiculous. I lost it a bit the next morning and told him I didn’t want to get engaged like that. I said I was over the moon that he wanted to marry me and I definitely wanted to marry him but I wanted to have some better memories around it and make it special. I also want all the lawyer stuff to be over so that for once its about me and him and not him and his ex. He was understandably confused by it all and upset by my mixed messages. Arg I messed up fairly royally. Give me a talking to mumsnet. I’ve read all the other posts around this. Getting married - Its not a fairly story etc etc. I get all that. I’m def not looking for 20k rings and flash mobs! Just a bit of thought. Maybe a river or something? A scenic hill. Fuck even a glass of wine in the garden! A ring that is a bit more special than one I buy as a treat for myself. Am I being totally unreasonable? Or do I have a bit of a point? I literally don’t know!
I’m rereading my massive essay (sorry!) and am even judging myself. So basically, you are pissed off that he spends money on himself and exwife and you don’t get any. I guess that is a massive part of it! Still would have liked a beach or something

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BrutusMcDogface · 07/08/2020 13:42

I was really surprised to read that you’d said yes! Why?!

Brefugee · 07/08/2020 13:44

You must have known when you got to the end of your post, OP, that you're not compatible. Maybe you just needed to see it written down?

If you do marry him (the proposal, the ring, the wedding are not important in the grand scheme of things) you will have to make absolutely sure that you are financially secure if the worst happens.

But if you want an outside opinion: get out. Now.

lazylinguist · 07/08/2020 14:07

This is one of those threads where the OP tells the truth in the first post, is horrified to see the kind of responses she didn't expect and spends the rest of the thread frantically backtracking and claiming her dp is absolutely wonderful after all.

OP - the Relationships board is littered with the wreckage of broken marriages which began with exactly the kind of red flags you are trying to ignore. The crappy proposal is pretty irrelevant. It's the kind of thing you'd look back on fondly and laugh about in years to come with the kind of man you'd be wise to marry.

lyralalala · 07/08/2020 14:22

The ring and the proposal are one of many examples where he is extremely thoughtless toward you.

How often does he take the time to think "What would @Fidgetthefluffer want?" It sounds like very, very little.

Monr0e · 07/08/2020 14:35

Sorry if you've already said OP but do you live together? How are finances split at the moment?

Has he mentioned the proposal this morning?

Soverymuchfruit · 07/08/2020 15:07

To give him the benefit of the doubt:

He doesn't spend on you because what he's heard from you is: "don't spend". So he thinks you don't want him to. (includes cost of engagement ring).

He does spend on other things, because he does actually have a high income and is in the habit of it: why not?

You need to be clearer with him about how your want him to behave financially. You want him to start saving. Subject to that, you want him to sometimes treat you. You don't want to feel like you come after his ex and his hobbies. Does he know this? Tell him.

If you want to buy a house with him, start saving for it together. Agree a fraction of monthly income that goes into that automatically. Then be sure he pays his way for current household etc. And be sure there is no new debt forming. And for the rest..... Relax. Let him know you've relaxed. Let him know you'd like treats.

Silentplikebath · 07/08/2020 15:41

Don’t marry this man. Spend some of that money you’ve saved up on having some therapy to find out why you are prepared to accept being treated so badly by your partner. The way he behaves isn’t completely about money, it’s about him being incredibly selfish towards you.

AfterSchoolWorry · 07/08/2020 15:47

Oh my God. The shit proposal is the least of your worries OP.

beautifulxdisasters · 07/08/2020 15:57

The rubbish proposal is just a symptom of the general problems in your relationship namely the way he doesn't prioritise you at all.

I got married young, with hindsight it was just because I wanted to be married and I was blind to the problems in my relationship. Marrying someone you have bad arguments with isn't a good idea let alone all the other shit.

coconutpie · 07/08/2020 16:14

The proposal and ring should be the least of your worries. You are not compatible.

fwwaftp · 07/08/2020 16:33

This is one of those threads where the OP tells the truth in the first post, is horrified to see the kind of responses she didn't expect and spends the rest of the thread frantically backtracking and claiming her dp is absolutely wonderful after all.

And then disappears from the thread when the backtracking post doesn't change anyone's mind either and clings desperately on to the one post where someone said she thought a drunken proposal was "quite sweet", apparently not having read all the stuff about the financial issues.

Nanny0gg · 07/08/2020 17:54

@Fidgetthefluffer

If you have the slightest wobble and think you might actually marry him or tie up your finances in any way at all, please come back. The whole of MN will talk you down and away from this disaster.

Fidgetthefluffer · 07/08/2020 18:04

Not disappeared- got a job guys!

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Fidgetthefluffer · 07/08/2020 18:06

But taken on board all the advice. Not sure what else I can say as I have a lot to think about. I am going to talk to him so that you everyone.

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PicsInRed · 07/08/2020 18:11

@Fidgetthefluffer

But taken on board all the advice. Not sure what else I can say as I have a lot to think about. I am going to talk to him so that you everyone.
Talk to him with caution, OP. Talk to him as though you were wearing the mental equivalent of a 3M N95 mask - allow the information (pure and objective facts) in, but filter any gaslighting, minimising, emotional blackmail and headfuckery out. Or rather, filter that as a different but also very useful type of information of its own.
LaurieFairyCake · 07/08/2020 18:15

Pfft an £80 ring ?

Fuck that, it's not special enough when he's spending all his money on himself

SummerWhisper · 07/08/2020 19:49

When you speak to him, tell him to return the ring as it is not an engagement ring anyway and you obviously already have it because you bought it for yourself. Note his reaction. Is he horrified that he might have to spend a bit more money on you?

Now that he is more solvent thanks to you, next time you go out, don't go halves. Smile and say it's lovely of him to treat you. Watch him try to worm his way out of spending money on you.

You are a soft touch and he is potentially financially abusive. He knows he can get away with his selfish lifestyle because you feel you can't challenge it. It's his money. BUT if he really cared, he would spend the money that he wastes on himself on the best lawyer in town sorting out the 'situation' with his ex so that he can invest in your life together. But he doesn't. He chooses to spend it all on himself and very little on you. Please find your self respect.

Others have said how low on his list of priorities you are. Let that sink in. @LAMPS1 said it perfectly.

I don't think he is who you think he is. Flowers

Spinachfinger · 07/08/2020 20:33

Hang on, you've been with him 5 years?? What has taken him so long in court to wrap up with his ex? Can they not just come to an agreement outside of court? 5 years is a long time to stand by someones side when its detrimental to your relationship.

Back to finances - maybe he is so used to having obscene amounts of money he kind of forgets it's a valuable tool for getting by in life. Not making excuses for him but some people have so much, they dont feel a need to budget as someone on the bones of their arse would. This would put me off someone though, massively

Hope the talk goes well, but don't hold hope that he will change. People rarely do. Good luck.

LEELULUMPKIN · 07/08/2020 22:04

I can't get over the fact that he has never taken you out for Dinner in 5 years and that you are happy to accept that.

Do you think that is being "grabby" too?

Have you ever taken him out OP and paid for it all or have you always gone halves?

That seems really weird to me after all that time. Why not take it in turns paying? Going Dutch all the time seems really odd at this stage in your relationship.

Yet you are OK with him paying as you put it way over the odds for his ex.

I cannot fathom how you have put up with all of that for 5 years!

MrsGatsby99 · 07/08/2020 22:18

Hope the talk helps, op and it would be wonderful if he got it and actually changed.

My DH of 12 years and I have different characters and the differences are probably greater than most people's but we share the same fundamental goals and outlook. It's important to work out if you do before making any more decisions. Even going as far as a brief separation if needed to give him time/ the jolt to sort his life out and what he really wants. Maybe he doesn't know yet.

Good luck. There must be more to him.than what has come across in posts for you to stay for five years??

Fidgetthefluffer · 08/08/2020 01:19

Quick update - I spoke to him about everything and it was as first thought. He bought me the ring as got the email same time as me, remembered our conversation and found the one I would like most.

Fast forward to that night, He was hammered, loved up and found himself handing his a girlfriend a ring... He said it seemed a good idea at the time to have a spontaneous proposal. We have talked a lot about getting married. When I questioned the fact that I hadn't been expecting it he drunkenly doubled down and pretended it was planned as he didn't want me to think it was just because he was pissed. In the morning he was just happy that we were engaged despite it not being as planned ( not that he had anything planned!) Anyway it was good to talk and I am keeping the ring - just on the other hand!

I have taken on board what everyone has said and told him we dont need to even think about engagements etc until court stuff is over. In the meantime I can see how he goes with money.

Thank you for the collective wisdom of Mumsnet! I know a lot of you are very erm forthright but that is what I was looking for in AIBU otherwise would have posted somewhere fluffier.

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SummerWhisper · 08/08/2020 05:39

It's good that you have spoken, but nothing has chznged, really, has it? It's not just about how he 'goes with money'. It's his whole treatment of (disdain for) you. This is what the 'collective wisdom of Mumsnet' has been conveying to you, but you are choosing to look the other way.

You are constantly giving him a Get Out of Jail card. Are you afraid to face the reality of who and what he is without you bailing him out? You treat him like some quirky, cute millionaire, but the reality is, when it comes to you, he doesn't have to make any effort whatsoever, so he doesn't. That should be the dealbreaker. Maybe read the thread again, in a week or two Flowers

SummerWhisper · 08/08/2020 05:40

*changed, obviously

ShesMadeATwatOfMePam · 08/08/2020 07:27

I think he's told you exactly what you want to hear. I hope his actions start improving towards you, because it's in his actions that show the truth of his feelings.

GilbertMarkham · 08/08/2020 09:11

He sounds like a disaster with money.

Don't join your finances and remember he gets potentially gets half your assets of you marry him.