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Rubbish proposal

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Fidgetthefluffer · 07/08/2020 03:47

My DP proposed the other night and it was completely unexpected. To put it in context we have had a fucking horrendous year. He`s in court with his ex on an ongoing basis. We argue constantly about everything involved and his lack of boundaries with her have caused us massive problems. 2 weeks ago, we had yet another massive argument as he wants us to move towards joint finances. I lost my temper and pointed out amongst other things that he had never even taken me out for dinner despite earning over 3 times more than me.
For a long time, he was in debt as he pays his ex so much money, is rubbish at budgeting and so was living on credit cards. They were both terrible with money and got themselves in loads of debt which he took on at the end of the marriage. The only reason he / they did not go under is he earns a massive wage and it kept them afloat. I however am a saver and am very different. I used to treat him but soon realised he preferred much more expensive things then I was prepared to pay for. With a LOT of my help he has now got out of dept but as he now has so much more disposable income he spends thousands every month on random stuff. After a while it has started to grate that we are living these very different lives where he buys stuff constantly – He can afford it but doesn’t save – and I save obsessively so have some capital behind me but no nice “stuff.” It worries me for the future. I think at our age and position in life ( i.e. we are both very behind!) we need to be saving as much as possible regardless of how much we earn. Day to day its not an issue as we do not have joint finances and we spend our time together going hiking / inexpensive things that we both enjoy.
Anyway, I was very fed up after conversations and randomly got an email from my favourite jewellery designer with 20% off. Totally out of character I decided to buy myself a ring for approx. 100 quid. It was beautiful. I loved it and to be honest I was fed up of never doing anything nice for myself. It was also one if not the cheapest in the whole collection. I love all his work but can’t justify spending too much.

That night I mentioned it to my partner who went white and told me he had bought me the same ring. (He got emails as well as bought me a birthday ring there once.) I was really touched by how thoughtful he had been and that my remark has gone home. A bit of me was upset as we have talked about getting married and 5 years in, I’m starting to wonder what is going on. He has frequently told me he wanted to get married but nothing ever happened, and I realised that if he was buying me this ring then he was unlikely to be buying an engagement ring any time soon. I need to point out that this ring is as far away from an engagement ring as it is possible to be. The designer does make engagement rings as well but are obviously more money. They are stunning! I admit that if we ever got engaged, I was hoping to get rings from there. To be in perspective it is still less then 1/10 of his monthly after-tax income.

Both rings arrived and it was very funny. I did not open mine as I thought it was so lovely of him to have bought it and wanted to wear his. He was out last night with work and rolled in absolutely hammered. I had spent the evening kid wrestling and was just ready for bed. After telling me about his evening he said oh let’s check out the rings and ripped open the box. He then just asked me to marry him… it was unexpected to say the least. Sitting in my pyjamas in the kitchen. He could barely stand up. He was lovely and said lovely things, but it felt so completely random and un thought through. He has been out having loads of fun drinking cocktails all night and I`d been sat at home. To say we were on different wavelengths does not really cover it! I said yes as I do want to marry him. I was completely shocked by it all. He then fell asleep and I was awake thinking how the whole thing had felt so ridiculously un-special. I couldn’t imagine going to work the next day and suddenly being engaged. Calling my family... Honestly, I know its childish but we go hiking, we go to the beach, we climb mountains. Why he couldn’t have waited for something, anything, that could be even a little bit special. A massive issue in our lives is how fucked up he is by his ex-wife. I can’t help thinking about all the amazing holidays etc he took her on and I get a kitchen proposal. It really hurts. Especially the 100 quid ring which was 20% off. If he was a changed man and since paying off his debt, he had stopped spending them it wouldn’t sting so much but he spends 1000s every month on his hobbies. He continues to pay for his ex-wife’s expenses (separate from child support. A LOT more then 100 quid Wink ) I dunno, just this once I wanted to feel a bit special. Have some romance.

I know I`m being ridiculous. I lost it a bit the next morning and told him I didn’t want to get engaged like that. I said I was over the moon that he wanted to marry me and I definitely wanted to marry him but I wanted to have some better memories around it and make it special. I also want all the lawyer stuff to be over so that for once its about me and him and not him and his ex. He was understandably confused by it all and upset by my mixed messages. Arg I messed up fairly royally. Give me a talking to mumsnet. I’ve read all the other posts around this. Getting married - Its not a fairly story etc etc. I get all that. I’m def not looking for 20k rings and flash mobs! Just a bit of thought. Maybe a river or something? A scenic hill. Fuck even a glass of wine in the garden! A ring that is a bit more special than one I buy as a treat for myself. Am I being totally unreasonable? Or do I have a bit of a point? I literally don’t know!
I’m rereading my massive essay (sorry!) and am even judging myself. So basically, you are pissed off that he spends money on himself and exwife and you don’t get any. I guess that is a massive part of it! Still would have liked a beach or something

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BackwardsGoing · 07/08/2020 09:19

OP is there any rush? Do you want to have more children or buy a house soon? If there's no imperative I'd wait for a year or five before making any significant commitments. Just wait to see how his money/relationship issues play out.

And FGS have some sense of your self worth and get him to take you out to dinner at least once!

Oilyoilyoilgob · 07/08/2020 09:22

There’s nothing wrong with wanting a nice proposal you know. You can’t want some romance and a nice ring, there’s nothing wrong with that. I got proposed to as a complete surprise, my husband had designed my engagement ring and it was honestly one of the happiest moments of my life. I’m smiling typing this out! So there’s nothing grabby about wanting that for yourself. If any part of you feels disappointed with that proposal that’s good you’re being honest with yourself.

His attitude to finances are appalling. Again you’ll get lots of people on here not bothered about the value of the ring, but out of all the ones he picked from your favourite designer he went for the cheapest at £100 and he spends that a week on himself for clothes for his hobbies?!

If he’s that enmeshed with his ex can you see it ending? Can you see not having to baby him about finances? Can you accept he’ll never treat you to a meal? We treat each other, I guess it could sometimes be six of one with going halves but it’s always really nice to say “I’m taking you out for dinner” or hearing “I’ve a table booked for Friday, get ready to go out”

It sounds like such hard work all around. If you can sit him down and have and open talk with each other would that help? Or some couples therapy? (If you want to stay with each other!)

Lilymossflower · 07/08/2020 09:22

Leave the relationship it sounds shit and it won't get any better

Enderman · 07/08/2020 09:26

Why would you actively want to tie yourself financially to him when he’s proven to be so unreliable?

You don’t have to marry him for goodness sake. Protect yourself and your children and take off the rose coloured specs.

YorkshirePud1 · 07/08/2020 09:26

"I know I'm being ridiculous" - No, you're really not. It wouldn't have taken a lot to make this more special for you and he was thoughtless. Of course you're hurt and upset and there are a lot of issues in your relationship that need addressing.

PiataMaiNei · 07/08/2020 09:27

The proposal is really not the issue here.

TatianaBis · 07/08/2020 09:27

He’s crap with money, got into debt, blows money on his hobbies while you save, rolls in drunk while you spend the evening looking after the kids, and proposes with an £100 while drunk.

Why on earth do you want to marry him?

Surely you know you can do better than that?

Vodkacranberryplease · 07/08/2020 09:28

Why does he want to share finances so badly? Does that mean you can spend his money? Or does he want the cushion of yours?

No engagement or marriage without YOU managing the money, including his. Be straight with him. He's a financial car crash and I say that as someone who spends and earns to spend (a bit). So you agree a plan and he does not spend thousands on himself,

And also fuck it but I'd be saying no to the ring. £100 if you are very hard up is fine. But he will have spent that in an evening. So give it back and say 'look, the way you spend on yourself vs what you spent on this tells me your hearts not in it. So why don't you return it and when you are truly ready we can start again.' Give him a kiss and walk away.

You are letting him get away with murder, and that's not ever going to end well

TatianaBis · 07/08/2020 09:28

£100 ring ^

Swimmingwiththebees · 07/08/2020 09:36

This doesn't sound like an awful relationship but you are clearly not ready for marriage or further commitment yet. You clearly have doubts about him/your differing approach to things.

The one that would worry me the most is your views on money. It sounds like he has changed a lot being with you, but he will never be as careful with money are you are. You can't expect to change that, people are different after all and it sounds like he gets a joy out of spending that you do not. Is this a deal breaker in your relationship? Probably not if you can live with his ways of more frivolous spending and not resort to nagging him or being disappointed by his choices. If you get married at some point you're likely to combine your money, would you be ok with him treating your money the way he treats his own? Only you can answer these questions!

The ex is also a concern but, again, a very hard topic to navigate. It sounds like he has children with her and therefore won't ever be 'free' of her. Can you live with that and the way their relationship is?

The main point of your post -the ring and the proposal, don't really matter in my eyes. Yes, you could say it's a symbol of what your relationship means to you both but, if everything else was perfect, you would accept it (as you did originally) and just be so happy about getting married. Your doubts are deeper than the value of the ring of the drunkenness of his proposal.

LeopardPrintKnickers · 07/08/2020 09:37

Oh OP, regardless of the difference in your financial approach to life, this doesn't bode well. He's proposed, but put minimal effort in, spent a minimal amount when you know that he spend money like water, and does little to make you feel special.

It's great that he's wonderful with your kids, and I'm sure he has plenty of redeeming features, but it doesn't sound like he values you.

My first H proposed in bed, drunk, and it was the most spectacular let down. It set the tone for the rest of the marriage - that I simply wasn't worth any thought of effort. It's hard to move on from that, so think carefully whether this is something you want to accept...

Good luck.

AmandaHugenkiss · 07/08/2020 09:41

Also, this man will be a role mode for your children. Think hard if you want your kids seeing that it’s ok to throw away money every month rather than save or spend some of it on your partner, and that it’s ok for the woman in the relationship to do all the hard work saving and paying for the sensible boring stuff.

Enoughnowstop · 07/08/2020 09:41

You have a fundamentally different approach to financial issues. Your relationship long term is unlikely to work on that basis alone. You have more to be concerned about than the proposal.

Enderman · 07/08/2020 09:44

I bet he wants to move towards joint finances, because you save. He doesn’t.

CalmdownJanet · 07/08/2020 09:44

I can't believe you called yourself selfish and were judging yourself, I think you should kick his selfish tight drunken arse out, he sounds horrible and you are totally right about not being on the same wavelength, do not marry him, do not have joint finances with him ditch him.

Tightness is such a horrible trait, the fact he is flash harry with his cash, earns three times more than you, never buys dinner, spends on shit, bought you a £80 engagement ring after he rolls in drunk having probably spent more on cocktails and falls asleep - come on you have to see you are worth more than this fucking loser

GlomOfNit · 07/08/2020 09:49

OP, lots of things going on here.

  • Clearly you deserve better. If your ethos in life is to save and be sensible, it's only going to be painful hitching yourself to someone who splashes his cash around like a child and doesn't think about the future. Doesn't matter that he earns so much - nothing is certain and that could change next week. So financially, you seem very incompatible and I think it'll just lead to bitterness and resentfulness.

-He doesn't actually sound that nice! Thoughtless, selfish, unimaginative...

-But to be honest, my main take-away here is - if you really loved someone and wanted to marry them, why on earth does it matter if they propose in a kitchen? What is the big deal with elaborate, staged proposals? It's so bloody Disney-princess! Grin Life is life, it's not something to be staged and prepared. My husband proposed in bed one morning, we were a bit hungover. It was fine, it was spontaneous.

IceCreamAndCandyfloss · 07/08/2020 09:54

If a friend told me the proposal was rubbish and the ring wasn’t good enough I’d suggest she returned them and let him find someone that did actually appreciate him. Marriage is about the lifetime commitment, not the rings or photo ops.

However the relationship doesn’t sound great so I wouldn’t have thought marriage was even on the table.

1stTimeMama · 07/08/2020 09:55

I'm another who can't believe you said yes! I read nothing that made me think this was a relationship worth carrying on, nevermind one that would result in a happy marriage. You're completely different people, and you had nothing good to say about this man that you just agreed to spend forever with!

It took my now husband 7 years to propose to me, he did it in bed, I was in a bedraggled just woken up state, our children were running and playing around us, and he used the word komode in his speech. There was no ring as he did it so spur of the moment. And I couldn't say yes quick enough! We picked a ring together, and I have this wonderful (to me), personal story of him asking me, not the same story as potentially lots of other people who get asked on the beach/up a mountain/other generic proposal location. It means the world to me, as he does, and the place or the way it was done shouldn't matter.

tmh88 · 07/08/2020 09:55

I wouldn’t worry about the proposal I had a very unromantic proposal but the difference is, you wouldn’t care what the proposal was like if you felt 100% sure you were saying yes to the right person! Honestly I would just leave him he doesn’t sound like someone you want the rest of your life with! Flowers

Heartlake · 07/08/2020 09:56

Agree with PPs re the proposal.

Just stop:

Ask yourself do you like/love him and do you see a life together in 10 years time?
Be prepared to give him an ultimatum about finances
Ditto re boundaries with his ex
Say that it's lovely that he chose the same ring as you and he proposed randomly/drunkenly and that you will wear the ring and he can ask you properly again in a years time when everything is better

If it doesn't get better with in say 6-12 months, then leave.

My DH proposed to me in bed at my parents house one night when we were discussing whether or not we should buy some steak knives! (we never did buy the steak knives BTW!).

KarmaStar · 07/08/2020 09:57

Op,you know the answer here don't you?from your post it appears; he is in love with his ex.you are not respected by this man,he takes you for granted.he will not change.you have invested a lot of hard work,patience and time and understandably don't want to walk away.But I think you should.it reads as though you will always be second best.
And that is not good enough.you deserve a man who is in love with you and respects you for the person you are,not what you can provide.
Get rid of him,find someone worthy.🌻🌻

Anydreamwilldo12 · 07/08/2020 10:01

He sounds like a millstone round your neck with his ex wife hanging on to his ankles for dear life. Everything you have said about him is a disaster.
Spending thousands on himself regularly but buys you the cheapest ring in the collection.

SuzieCarmichael · 07/08/2020 10:02

Tell him you’ll get engaged to him in a year’s time if he’s saved a house deposit by then.

JulyBreeze · 07/08/2020 10:03

It's great that he does after school childcare but I'm wondering how he manages to earn so much money and yet be available at 3.15 every day? Don't know if that's a relevant question but it just occurred to me!

Also, yes the kids may love him, but of course they won't currently realise that he spends stupid amounts of money on himself whilst their mummy has to say "No" to things he could afford, because she is sensible with money. Or maybe they do, or soon will be old enough to realise.

And you may end up having a baby with him, it would be interesting to see where that child would come in his financial priorities.

LakieLady · 07/08/2020 10:08

If he was really the one for you, you wouldn't care if he'd proposed while putting the bins out or cleaning the bog.

And I wouldn't marry a man who was that crap with money unless he agreed to let me have total control over finances, or who had that amount of baggage, tbh.