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Rubbish proposal

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Fidgetthefluffer · 07/08/2020 03:47

My DP proposed the other night and it was completely unexpected. To put it in context we have had a fucking horrendous year. He`s in court with his ex on an ongoing basis. We argue constantly about everything involved and his lack of boundaries with her have caused us massive problems. 2 weeks ago, we had yet another massive argument as he wants us to move towards joint finances. I lost my temper and pointed out amongst other things that he had never even taken me out for dinner despite earning over 3 times more than me.
For a long time, he was in debt as he pays his ex so much money, is rubbish at budgeting and so was living on credit cards. They were both terrible with money and got themselves in loads of debt which he took on at the end of the marriage. The only reason he / they did not go under is he earns a massive wage and it kept them afloat. I however am a saver and am very different. I used to treat him but soon realised he preferred much more expensive things then I was prepared to pay for. With a LOT of my help he has now got out of dept but as he now has so much more disposable income he spends thousands every month on random stuff. After a while it has started to grate that we are living these very different lives where he buys stuff constantly – He can afford it but doesn’t save – and I save obsessively so have some capital behind me but no nice “stuff.” It worries me for the future. I think at our age and position in life ( i.e. we are both very behind!) we need to be saving as much as possible regardless of how much we earn. Day to day its not an issue as we do not have joint finances and we spend our time together going hiking / inexpensive things that we both enjoy.
Anyway, I was very fed up after conversations and randomly got an email from my favourite jewellery designer with 20% off. Totally out of character I decided to buy myself a ring for approx. 100 quid. It was beautiful. I loved it and to be honest I was fed up of never doing anything nice for myself. It was also one if not the cheapest in the whole collection. I love all his work but can’t justify spending too much.

That night I mentioned it to my partner who went white and told me he had bought me the same ring. (He got emails as well as bought me a birthday ring there once.) I was really touched by how thoughtful he had been and that my remark has gone home. A bit of me was upset as we have talked about getting married and 5 years in, I’m starting to wonder what is going on. He has frequently told me he wanted to get married but nothing ever happened, and I realised that if he was buying me this ring then he was unlikely to be buying an engagement ring any time soon. I need to point out that this ring is as far away from an engagement ring as it is possible to be. The designer does make engagement rings as well but are obviously more money. They are stunning! I admit that if we ever got engaged, I was hoping to get rings from there. To be in perspective it is still less then 1/10 of his monthly after-tax income.

Both rings arrived and it was very funny. I did not open mine as I thought it was so lovely of him to have bought it and wanted to wear his. He was out last night with work and rolled in absolutely hammered. I had spent the evening kid wrestling and was just ready for bed. After telling me about his evening he said oh let’s check out the rings and ripped open the box. He then just asked me to marry him… it was unexpected to say the least. Sitting in my pyjamas in the kitchen. He could barely stand up. He was lovely and said lovely things, but it felt so completely random and un thought through. He has been out having loads of fun drinking cocktails all night and I`d been sat at home. To say we were on different wavelengths does not really cover it! I said yes as I do want to marry him. I was completely shocked by it all. He then fell asleep and I was awake thinking how the whole thing had felt so ridiculously un-special. I couldn’t imagine going to work the next day and suddenly being engaged. Calling my family... Honestly, I know its childish but we go hiking, we go to the beach, we climb mountains. Why he couldn’t have waited for something, anything, that could be even a little bit special. A massive issue in our lives is how fucked up he is by his ex-wife. I can’t help thinking about all the amazing holidays etc he took her on and I get a kitchen proposal. It really hurts. Especially the 100 quid ring which was 20% off. If he was a changed man and since paying off his debt, he had stopped spending them it wouldn’t sting so much but he spends 1000s every month on his hobbies. He continues to pay for his ex-wife’s expenses (separate from child support. A LOT more then 100 quid Wink ) I dunno, just this once I wanted to feel a bit special. Have some romance.

I know I`m being ridiculous. I lost it a bit the next morning and told him I didn’t want to get engaged like that. I said I was over the moon that he wanted to marry me and I definitely wanted to marry him but I wanted to have some better memories around it and make it special. I also want all the lawyer stuff to be over so that for once its about me and him and not him and his ex. He was understandably confused by it all and upset by my mixed messages. Arg I messed up fairly royally. Give me a talking to mumsnet. I’ve read all the other posts around this. Getting married - Its not a fairly story etc etc. I get all that. I’m def not looking for 20k rings and flash mobs! Just a bit of thought. Maybe a river or something? A scenic hill. Fuck even a glass of wine in the garden! A ring that is a bit more special than one I buy as a treat for myself. Am I being totally unreasonable? Or do I have a bit of a point? I literally don’t know!
I’m rereading my massive essay (sorry!) and am even judging myself. So basically, you are pissed off that he spends money on himself and exwife and you don’t get any. I guess that is a massive part of it! Still would have liked a beach or something

OP posts:
AnneOfQueenSables · 07/08/2020 08:36

The only way YABU is to even consider marrying him. How you spend, save, pay for items for others - isn't just about money. It's also about values. None of your updates have changed the fact that you are both on very different pages when it comes to finances and values.
I know this is an old MN technique - but imagine if you had a friend whose partner earned much more than them; who regularly blew over £100 on nights out and items for his hobby; and then blew in drunk from the pub one night and asked your friend to marry them with an £80 ring. It's disrespectful.
And it may seem sweet that he 'knew you well enough' to pick the same ring as you. But if he really knew you well and prioritised you then he'd know you wouldn't want a drunken proposal. He'd know you can see him throwing his money away on expensive hobby products for him but not paying for a meal out for you both, etc, etc.
You deserve better OP. You need boundaries to make it clear you won't accept this.

UnfinishedSymphon · 07/08/2020 08:36

I don't think you should marry him because of the money situation and I'd also love to hear the ex's side of the story!

JimminyCricketwhites · 07/08/2020 08:40

Maya Angelou says:

When someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time.

Cheap ring (when he has an expensive hobby he spends ££££ on) drunken proposal (not to mention the litany of other red flags).

Hiddennameforever · 07/08/2020 08:42

I think he gave that particular ring as it was cheapest there.
I know guys like that you bought Argos special rings to their partners and bought himself new playstations with it which costed 5xmore.
Ridiculous really.

thornyhousewife · 07/08/2020 08:43

You're not compatible. You seem controlling and over interested in what his ex is doing.

maybemu · 07/08/2020 08:45

You are not being ridiculous! I'd be pissed!!

Dontiknowit · 07/08/2020 08:47

OP surely you've read enough of mumsnet that if you suggest your OH has even the slightest of flaws, everyone will tell you he's a waste of space and to get rid. Don't listen to them.
Having a few drinks does make people more affectionate. I doubt it was a planned proposal, he just came home and was so happy to see you!
I think personally it's quite sweet that it was spontaneous.
My husband and I have a terrible tale of misadventure for our engagement story but we are extremely happy, I think because we talk so well about things that are grating on us and both make efforts to keep each other happy.
I understand your feelings about the proposal. If I were you I'd just talk to him about how you're feeling. He may be under the impression you loved the spontaneous proposal with he funny coincidence that you both bought the same ring! I think it's quite a good story personally.
If you want the bells and whistles and fancy ring just tell him. If he makes an effort to give you what you want, you know he's for sure a keeper :)
Congratulations on your engagement! Xx

GinDrinker00 · 07/08/2020 08:48

It doesn’t sound like it’ll last sorry OP. You’re clearly two very different people, he’ll grate you down eventually.

Longwhiskers14 · 07/08/2020 08:49

Agree - the proposal is the least of your worries. Incompatibility over finances is a massive red flag. What happens if he loses that high paying job and gets into debt again? With his attitude to money not changing, it's highly likely he'll sink and take you with him. Are you ready for that?

oakleaffy · 07/08/2020 08:50

This won't work...You are too financially different in approach.

He won't change.
As other OP have said, if he was right for you, you'd not care what the ring was, or where or how he proposed.

His ex wife and children will loom large {for years}..

''Far better not''..

tiredanddangerous · 07/08/2020 08:55

Read back through your op and tell me where exactly it sounds like this is the man to marry. Don't do it op, you'll regret it.

fwwaftp · 07/08/2020 08:58

OP surely you've read enough of mumsnet that if you suggest your OH has even the slightest of flaws, everyone will tell you he's a waste of space and to get rid. Don't listen to them.
Having a few drinks does make people more affectionate. I doubt it was a planned proposal, he just came home and was so happy to see you!
I think personally it's quite sweet that it was spontaneous.

Eh?????? Did you even read the whole of the OP's post about the financial issues? That is not a slight flaw. That is a serious problem.

A spontaneous proposal when someone is hammered might be "quite sweet" but not with all of that backstory behind it.

happylittletree · 07/08/2020 09:00

Sorry, OP. I have to say I agree that it doesn't sound like a good relationship.

ScottIansEyebrows · 07/08/2020 09:01

@Nanny0gg

OFGS!

Why are you even

Hear hear!
cuddlymunchkin · 07/08/2020 09:01

You deserve an actual proposal with an actual engagement ring. He managed it for the ex, he can manage it for you. You are worth spending time on (proposal) and money on (ring). Let him make you feel really wanted and special.

1Morewineplease · 07/08/2020 09:02

Please tread very carefully OP.

You mentioned that we only have one side of the story , so what is the other side of the story? What do you think is his ex-wife’s side of the story?

You’ve bailed him out of a large debt Which has allowed him to spend even more money on an expensive hobby. He spends more on items for his hobby than on your engagement ring. My own ring cost as much as yours and that was thirty years ago and my husband had to save for it.

Why is he in and out of court with his ex? That all needs to be sorted before you even put a ring on your finger.

If he genuinely loved you , he’d treat you much better than he has done. That he wants access to your money is very worrying indeed.

GOODCAT · 07/08/2020 09:04

A marriage is a financial partnership. If it ends in divorce you split your assets, after debts are accounted for, between you.

If you are the one who has contributed all or most of those assets because of his poor spending, you are going to feel as though marriage was the worst financial decision of your life.

thebear1 · 07/08/2020 09:06

You have completely different views on finance, marriage will not change that. Please consider if you want to have the issues for the rest of your life.

LAMPS1 · 07/08/2020 09:07

Somehow, you have made it alright for him to think that he can start his weekend off by drinking with work mates until late, comIng home hammered and yet still get a good response from you with a cheap ring, and off the cuff proposal while still drunk.
Why were you taken in by that when you could see he was drunk.
Where was your dignity and self esteem at that moment.
And why did he find it so hard to understand your real feelings about it all the next day after you realised how little value he placed on you in what should have been a planned special moment.
Does he get it now or does he still think that’s all you are worth ?

It’s good he loves your children. It’s good that he’s moved some away from reckless towards sensible. Is that enough for you. Hasn’t he got a lot further to go yet to straighten himself out before he’s worthy of asking you to marry him?
Good luck ...I hope you can see it all clearly and value yourself a bit more so that he might begin to do the same.

Eddielzzard · 07/08/2020 09:07

You fundamentally aren't compatible. It's not about the money, but money shows you where his priorities lie.

ShesMadeATwatOfMePam · 07/08/2020 09:09

I just want to know - how much emotional labour and time did you put into him paying his debts? Compared to how much time he put in? I'm sure he went online to look at cheaper interest rates, moving the money around, ensuring he was getting the best deal and working out the quickest way to pay off his debts and cutting down his spending to ensure it was gone asap?

Or did you organise all that? Because paying off debt is hard bloody work from an organisational point of view.

OdaMaeBrown · 07/08/2020 09:09

Can we see the ring?

I also got a "here, wear this" proposal, after we'd chosen a ring together, so it wasn't even a surprise!

Actually, I'd always joked about getting married in Vegas and after watching The Hangover he said "we might as well do that" so maybe that was my proposal.

Shodan · 07/08/2020 09:11

He wants to marry you and have joint finances so he can burn his way through your money as well as his own.

His choice of ring and proposal shouts that he doesn't even value you as much as he values his mysterious hobby.

Please show him that at least you value yourself more than he does.

Runmybathforme · 07/08/2020 09:13

OP, judging from your reply, you don’t appear to have the least idea of how much of a disaster this marriage would be. You disagree fundamentally on some really important issues, none of which will be magically resolved by marriage.

ZooKeeper19 · 07/08/2020 09:19

@Fidgettheflufferthis man does not deserve you and you are not here to save him. He will not change. People do not change. You have been with him for long enough. He cares more financially about his ex than you, how will he treat any possible children? Is this a man you want to raise your child? An irresponsible selfish teenager? Is that a role model to be?

I know people who suffer badly because of their "he will change for me" thing. He won't. He will exploit you as much as he can, he only cares about himself.

It's not about the crappy proposal. It's about the crappy relationship you have. A man that loved you would never in million years do this to you. (and I am not saying you need to be on Seychelles on a private island by the sunset watching the dolphins perform or whatever, but a man that knows you and loves you can think of a way to make this special).