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Rubbish proposal

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Fidgetthefluffer · 07/08/2020 03:47

My DP proposed the other night and it was completely unexpected. To put it in context we have had a fucking horrendous year. He`s in court with his ex on an ongoing basis. We argue constantly about everything involved and his lack of boundaries with her have caused us massive problems. 2 weeks ago, we had yet another massive argument as he wants us to move towards joint finances. I lost my temper and pointed out amongst other things that he had never even taken me out for dinner despite earning over 3 times more than me.
For a long time, he was in debt as he pays his ex so much money, is rubbish at budgeting and so was living on credit cards. They were both terrible with money and got themselves in loads of debt which he took on at the end of the marriage. The only reason he / they did not go under is he earns a massive wage and it kept them afloat. I however am a saver and am very different. I used to treat him but soon realised he preferred much more expensive things then I was prepared to pay for. With a LOT of my help he has now got out of dept but as he now has so much more disposable income he spends thousands every month on random stuff. After a while it has started to grate that we are living these very different lives where he buys stuff constantly – He can afford it but doesn’t save – and I save obsessively so have some capital behind me but no nice “stuff.” It worries me for the future. I think at our age and position in life ( i.e. we are both very behind!) we need to be saving as much as possible regardless of how much we earn. Day to day its not an issue as we do not have joint finances and we spend our time together going hiking / inexpensive things that we both enjoy.
Anyway, I was very fed up after conversations and randomly got an email from my favourite jewellery designer with 20% off. Totally out of character I decided to buy myself a ring for approx. 100 quid. It was beautiful. I loved it and to be honest I was fed up of never doing anything nice for myself. It was also one if not the cheapest in the whole collection. I love all his work but can’t justify spending too much.

That night I mentioned it to my partner who went white and told me he had bought me the same ring. (He got emails as well as bought me a birthday ring there once.) I was really touched by how thoughtful he had been and that my remark has gone home. A bit of me was upset as we have talked about getting married and 5 years in, I’m starting to wonder what is going on. He has frequently told me he wanted to get married but nothing ever happened, and I realised that if he was buying me this ring then he was unlikely to be buying an engagement ring any time soon. I need to point out that this ring is as far away from an engagement ring as it is possible to be. The designer does make engagement rings as well but are obviously more money. They are stunning! I admit that if we ever got engaged, I was hoping to get rings from there. To be in perspective it is still less then 1/10 of his monthly after-tax income.

Both rings arrived and it was very funny. I did not open mine as I thought it was so lovely of him to have bought it and wanted to wear his. He was out last night with work and rolled in absolutely hammered. I had spent the evening kid wrestling and was just ready for bed. After telling me about his evening he said oh let’s check out the rings and ripped open the box. He then just asked me to marry him… it was unexpected to say the least. Sitting in my pyjamas in the kitchen. He could barely stand up. He was lovely and said lovely things, but it felt so completely random and un thought through. He has been out having loads of fun drinking cocktails all night and I`d been sat at home. To say we were on different wavelengths does not really cover it! I said yes as I do want to marry him. I was completely shocked by it all. He then fell asleep and I was awake thinking how the whole thing had felt so ridiculously un-special. I couldn’t imagine going to work the next day and suddenly being engaged. Calling my family... Honestly, I know its childish but we go hiking, we go to the beach, we climb mountains. Why he couldn’t have waited for something, anything, that could be even a little bit special. A massive issue in our lives is how fucked up he is by his ex-wife. I can’t help thinking about all the amazing holidays etc he took her on and I get a kitchen proposal. It really hurts. Especially the 100 quid ring which was 20% off. If he was a changed man and since paying off his debt, he had stopped spending them it wouldn’t sting so much but he spends 1000s every month on his hobbies. He continues to pay for his ex-wife’s expenses (separate from child support. A LOT more then 100 quid Wink ) I dunno, just this once I wanted to feel a bit special. Have some romance.

I know I`m being ridiculous. I lost it a bit the next morning and told him I didn’t want to get engaged like that. I said I was over the moon that he wanted to marry me and I definitely wanted to marry him but I wanted to have some better memories around it and make it special. I also want all the lawyer stuff to be over so that for once its about me and him and not him and his ex. He was understandably confused by it all and upset by my mixed messages. Arg I messed up fairly royally. Give me a talking to mumsnet. I’ve read all the other posts around this. Getting married - Its not a fairly story etc etc. I get all that. I’m def not looking for 20k rings and flash mobs! Just a bit of thought. Maybe a river or something? A scenic hill. Fuck even a glass of wine in the garden! A ring that is a bit more special than one I buy as a treat for myself. Am I being totally unreasonable? Or do I have a bit of a point? I literally don’t know!
I’m rereading my massive essay (sorry!) and am even judging myself. So basically, you are pissed off that he spends money on himself and exwife and you don’t get any. I guess that is a massive part of it! Still would have liked a beach or something

OP posts:
AgentProvocateur · 07/08/2020 08:10

I can’t get over the fact that he’s spunking hundreds on his hobby every month yet he’s never taken you out for dinner. Marrying him should be the last thing you’re thinking about. You seem a bit desperate, but honestly - you’d be better off alone.

ChicCroissant · 07/08/2020 08:11

But you don't like him. That really comes across for me, you don't like him.

PicsInRed · 07/08/2020 08:12

If he stops torturing his ex through family court, perhaps he'll have more money to spend?

Stop believing the nonsense he tell you about money he "gives" her. Men dragging their ex though family court aren't known for their philanthropy.

If he's like this with the mother of his children, he'll he exactly the same with you once you are no longer of any use or service to him. Google "mercurial people". Walk away or he'll ruin your life just as he is ruining his ex's life (and the lives of their children).

thesunwillout · 07/08/2020 08:14

I think the rubbish, drunk afterthought proposal with a convenient, whatever the occasion £100 ring sums it all up perfectly.

None of anything you've shared is worth a relationship let alone marriage.

altiara · 07/08/2020 08:14

Ignoring the proposal.
OP you need to be on the same page with money, if he can’t save but can only spend, then sharing finances will be more trouble than it’s worth. You managed to get him out of debt so now he has more money to spend on himself and he is spending it all!
You already know this and won’t share finances, he’s never taken you out to dinner and you’ve had an awful year arguing etc.

You’ve got to admit, the proposal is the least of your worries and yes it would make me feel underwhelmed and not valued too in this context. I don’t think I would’ve said yes.

Hazelnutlatteplease · 07/08/2020 08:15

He hasn't stopped spending. He's found a way to get his spending money past you. It's just a different type of spending. Unless youve seen his experian report or similar you have no idea if he has credit cards.

I'd worry there's some pressing need to "secure" you quick.

Don't marry him

Techway · 07/08/2020 08:18

guess I am just hoping for a new beginning.. With him out of debt. Boundaries with his ex.. Seemed like a really shit start to it though

These are your words..."hoping" doesn't make it happen.

No good marroage starts with these issues. I imagine you are a kind person, very forgiving but you are not a total mug. You reflected on his proposal and broached it when he was sober and the end result was...no change.

I am sure he has redeeming qualities but don't risk your/his children having to cope with a failed marriage.

Regarding his ex wife. If he is legally challenging her (for what??) he is choosing to fight, that is his decision. I am sure she isn't perfect BUT don't buy he was screwed up by her, complete fallacy and if you blame her you are choosing to ignore his red flags. He is his own man as well you know and makes his own decisions and I doubt he was a meek husband to her.

Stand back don't marry. Look at his behaviour, is it always self serving and how genuinely focused on your needs is he?

GabriellaMontez · 07/08/2020 08:18

Your expectations of him are so low, that a cheap ring and a shit proposal when he was drunk feel wonderful.

Did he even plan this or was it just cos he was pissed. Bet you could do better.

VinylDetective · 07/08/2020 08:19

@ChicCroissant

But you don't like him. That really comes across for me, you don't like him.
Yup, me too. There’s no liking or respect going on here at all.
Thesuzle · 07/08/2020 08:20

I got a bit into the first paragraph. Not even to the proposal and thought
Why the F. ..is she bothering with him, massive head ache for years to come.
Get out for gods sake

LovingLola · 07/08/2020 08:20

my children absolutely bloody adore him

And there it is.
Always trotted out as the excuse to stay with a crappy man.

NotEverythingIsBlackandWhite · 07/08/2020 08:21

Just loving/being in love with someone is never a good enough reason to marry them. You need to be on the same wavelength on the things that matter to you. His attitude to finances is so different to yours that it will always cause problems in your relationship. Attitudes towards finances is one of the main things that breaks marriages apart.

He has already shown you that his hobby is worth spending more on than he ever has done on you. He has never even taken you out for dinner, for Christ's sake.

Think about it, why does this man want you and he to have joint finances? He is and has always been crap with money. Why does he pay his ex so much money? Is it for her or does he have kids and it is for them?

I wouldn't have got involved with someone who is wrangling with the courts with his ex still.

You sound to me as if you are disappointed about the ring but that you'll still carry on and marry him (and be wrangling in courts further down the line) and have excused it on the grounds of your low self esteem.

Get therapy instead to improve your self-esteem and find someone more aligned with your values. This man won't demonstrate the value of money to your kids. They will see him spending on his hobby and think that is okay to follow suit. They'll see his lack of romance, lack of taking you out and think that is how to treat their girlfriends.

Tempusfudgeit · 07/08/2020 08:21

The second update made me realise it's convenient for you to have him around - collecting the (many) children from school, feeding and entertainment them whilst you work hard. No matter how many experienced people here say 'Really, really bad idea, this will end badly', you'll stay together, maybe you'll marry, maybe not, but you will certainly have a traumatic breakup waiting down the line. Poor children.

Glitteryone · 07/08/2020 08:25

It’s obvious that this will NEVER work! The proposal is the least of your worries.

Thesuzle · 07/08/2020 08:25

I also worry that if he is perhaps on a 6 figure salary, and this bad with money, I wonder how bad he is at his job ? Hopefully he is nothing to do with other peoples money, pension advisor etc !!!

hepburnmed · 07/08/2020 08:26

OP - if you were to walk away from this man - would a part of you be breathing a massive sigh of relief...?

PurpleFlower1983 · 07/08/2020 08:28

YABU for considering marrying this idiot.

PicsInRed · 07/08/2020 08:30

He is fantastic with them and treats them as his own. As I work so much he picks them up from school everyday and cooks / entertains them.

A childminder is much more reliable and less expensive. They also won't take half your money and give you half their debts when employment ends.

fwwaftp · 07/08/2020 08:32

It is very obvious to me that if I had his income I would have paid off the debt within a year and would be now have substantial savings. However its not me and people are different.

Yes and you two are not financially compatible. He won't change. It might look like he has changed but once any joint savings build up he won't see them as provision for the future/a rainy day - he'll be back spending them. Oh yes, I can afford this or that because we've got 20K - that kind of attitude.

And the kids adore him? This is so often trotted out when some man is a useless partner. You need to ensure your children have a stable financial future and even though no-one can ever guarantee something like this, you will have a much better chance of this happening if you are on your own away from this man who is financially irresponsible.

You won't leave him though and in 3 or 4 years you'll be back on Mumsnet saying he's got into debt again and you've used your savings to bail him out.

Nomorepies · 07/08/2020 08:33

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Aquamarine1029 · 07/08/2020 08:33

He is fantastic with them and treats them as his own.

Yet he treats their mother, his partner, as an afterthought.

RedNun · 07/08/2020 08:34

The proposal and the ring are completely irrelevant. Why on earth would you want to marry this loser?

Beautiful3 · 07/08/2020 08:35

I dont think he is right for you. I wouldnt marry a man who's inclined to get into debt as I'd be responsible for his debts too.

2155User · 07/08/2020 08:35

Christ, you've not been together that long and you've already found 101 things to complain about.
Yeah, good luck with that.
Just split up now

KeepingPlain · 07/08/2020 08:36

You've got bigger problems with him that a crap proposal. Dump him. Don't let his financial problems become yours.

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