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Rubbish proposal

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Fidgetthefluffer · 07/08/2020 03:47

My DP proposed the other night and it was completely unexpected. To put it in context we have had a fucking horrendous year. He`s in court with his ex on an ongoing basis. We argue constantly about everything involved and his lack of boundaries with her have caused us massive problems. 2 weeks ago, we had yet another massive argument as he wants us to move towards joint finances. I lost my temper and pointed out amongst other things that he had never even taken me out for dinner despite earning over 3 times more than me.
For a long time, he was in debt as he pays his ex so much money, is rubbish at budgeting and so was living on credit cards. They were both terrible with money and got themselves in loads of debt which he took on at the end of the marriage. The only reason he / they did not go under is he earns a massive wage and it kept them afloat. I however am a saver and am very different. I used to treat him but soon realised he preferred much more expensive things then I was prepared to pay for. With a LOT of my help he has now got out of dept but as he now has so much more disposable income he spends thousands every month on random stuff. After a while it has started to grate that we are living these very different lives where he buys stuff constantly – He can afford it but doesn’t save – and I save obsessively so have some capital behind me but no nice “stuff.” It worries me for the future. I think at our age and position in life ( i.e. we are both very behind!) we need to be saving as much as possible regardless of how much we earn. Day to day its not an issue as we do not have joint finances and we spend our time together going hiking / inexpensive things that we both enjoy.
Anyway, I was very fed up after conversations and randomly got an email from my favourite jewellery designer with 20% off. Totally out of character I decided to buy myself a ring for approx. 100 quid. It was beautiful. I loved it and to be honest I was fed up of never doing anything nice for myself. It was also one if not the cheapest in the whole collection. I love all his work but can’t justify spending too much.

That night I mentioned it to my partner who went white and told me he had bought me the same ring. (He got emails as well as bought me a birthday ring there once.) I was really touched by how thoughtful he had been and that my remark has gone home. A bit of me was upset as we have talked about getting married and 5 years in, I’m starting to wonder what is going on. He has frequently told me he wanted to get married but nothing ever happened, and I realised that if he was buying me this ring then he was unlikely to be buying an engagement ring any time soon. I need to point out that this ring is as far away from an engagement ring as it is possible to be. The designer does make engagement rings as well but are obviously more money. They are stunning! I admit that if we ever got engaged, I was hoping to get rings from there. To be in perspective it is still less then 1/10 of his monthly after-tax income.

Both rings arrived and it was very funny. I did not open mine as I thought it was so lovely of him to have bought it and wanted to wear his. He was out last night with work and rolled in absolutely hammered. I had spent the evening kid wrestling and was just ready for bed. After telling me about his evening he said oh let’s check out the rings and ripped open the box. He then just asked me to marry him… it was unexpected to say the least. Sitting in my pyjamas in the kitchen. He could barely stand up. He was lovely and said lovely things, but it felt so completely random and un thought through. He has been out having loads of fun drinking cocktails all night and I`d been sat at home. To say we were on different wavelengths does not really cover it! I said yes as I do want to marry him. I was completely shocked by it all. He then fell asleep and I was awake thinking how the whole thing had felt so ridiculously un-special. I couldn’t imagine going to work the next day and suddenly being engaged. Calling my family... Honestly, I know its childish but we go hiking, we go to the beach, we climb mountains. Why he couldn’t have waited for something, anything, that could be even a little bit special. A massive issue in our lives is how fucked up he is by his ex-wife. I can’t help thinking about all the amazing holidays etc he took her on and I get a kitchen proposal. It really hurts. Especially the 100 quid ring which was 20% off. If he was a changed man and since paying off his debt, he had stopped spending them it wouldn’t sting so much but he spends 1000s every month on his hobbies. He continues to pay for his ex-wife’s expenses (separate from child support. A LOT more then 100 quid Wink ) I dunno, just this once I wanted to feel a bit special. Have some romance.

I know I`m being ridiculous. I lost it a bit the next morning and told him I didn’t want to get engaged like that. I said I was over the moon that he wanted to marry me and I definitely wanted to marry him but I wanted to have some better memories around it and make it special. I also want all the lawyer stuff to be over so that for once its about me and him and not him and his ex. He was understandably confused by it all and upset by my mixed messages. Arg I messed up fairly royally. Give me a talking to mumsnet. I’ve read all the other posts around this. Getting married - Its not a fairly story etc etc. I get all that. I’m def not looking for 20k rings and flash mobs! Just a bit of thought. Maybe a river or something? A scenic hill. Fuck even a glass of wine in the garden! A ring that is a bit more special than one I buy as a treat for myself. Am I being totally unreasonable? Or do I have a bit of a point? I literally don’t know!
I’m rereading my massive essay (sorry!) and am even judging myself. So basically, you are pissed off that he spends money on himself and exwife and you don’t get any. I guess that is a massive part of it! Still would have liked a beach or something

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Shoxfordian · 07/08/2020 07:54

Doesn't really change my opinion

He's never taken you out for dinner. Not for your birthday or valentines or an anniversary. He's happy to spend on himself but buys you a 100 quid ring. Not impressed

alfrew · 07/08/2020 07:54

I don't really understand the ring issue, had he bought it as an engagement ring to propose with? or had he just bought it as a present and added the proposal because he was drunk?

He sounds a bit childish to me, that's why the kids adore him, he's on their wavelength.

testingtesting101 · 07/08/2020 07:54

It will very, very probably go very, very badly wrong if you marry this man and he will drag you and, more worryingly, your children down. You sound capable in so many ways. Why would you willingly risk you and your children's lives, your possible future home, your savings on this man?

AmandaHugenkiss · 07/08/2020 07:55

And he’s never taken you to dinner. You get my first LTB.

WizardOfAus · 07/08/2020 07:57

What a twist!

I was reading your OP thinking you were you going to end it with, “So I told him to shove his ring up his arse and we’ve broken up.”

Now I’m sitting here baffled as to why you want to marry a self-absorbed prick who treats you as an after thought. Nothing you’ve said in your subsequent posts makes him sound any better.

You can’t shine a shit.

chatterbugmegastar · 07/08/2020 07:57

when people add extra information that changes everything

Your additional information changes nothing for me

Do not marry him

End the relationship

MrsGatsby99 · 07/08/2020 07:58

I agree with virtually every pp, there are big alarm bells ringing here which is why you have posted.

But we obviously can't tell much about a whole relationship from a short post on here. Playing devil's advocate here if you think it could work, these are some important questions- why are you still with him? Are you thinking about potential? Do you think he will change? Do you think love can conquer certain incompatibilities?

It can sometimes but think you need to get the fundamentals right first especially to be on the same page about money and his ex, attitudes to bringing up children, levels of maturity and respect for each other. Imo, if you have those basics as well as love/attraction and all the rest, you can work the rest of it out normally. IRL - Quite a bit of thinking/talking needed first. But from what you have written here op, I would run for the hills!

sixthtimelucky · 07/08/2020 07:58

Fidget It's called drip feeding! And don't worry about that, I get it - you got an avalanche of 'leave the bastard' responses and you want to back up a bit and qualify things.

Listen, I and others are not saying this man is a bad person or that he treats you badly as such, I'm sure he has loads of redeeming qualities and that he loves you and you him.

But this is as irrelevant as the rubbish proposal, because your marriage honestly will be a disaster. It will not work. Please believe that. Love is not enough when you have such vastly different values when it comes to money, when he is embroiled with all sorts of issues and problems with his ex, when there are various children involved, when you argue constantly. I'm not even going to mention the heavy drinking (I know I know he's not an alcoholic but when I married my dh 25 years ago, I thought he'd grow out of getting absolutely smashed every time he went on a night out. He hasn't. Luckily, we have very few other issues between us because this alone has been a sticking point and will be yet another thing to drive you insane over the years),

I really want you to save putting yourself and your children through a traumatic divorce in a few years time which will leave you much worse off than you are now financially (and emotionally).

Have the strength to walk away.

x

enyemaka · 07/08/2020 07:58

This is not a man to marry - you are not his priority if he’s blowing hundreds on hobbies and getting drunk but buys you a super cheap engagement ring (despite clearly being able to afford better). Your children might love him but you deserve better.

Nanny0gg · 07/08/2020 08:00

OFGS!

Why are you even

Nanny0gg · 07/08/2020 08:01

oops!

With him, let alone engaged and complaining about the proposal?

That is and will be the least of your problems!

Seeingadistance · 07/08/2020 08:01

Bloody hell, OP!

Marrying this man is the last thing you should do!

LTB

Stella8686 · 07/08/2020 08:02

I would have laughed it off and said. Half drunk kitchen proposals don't count. Ask me again when your sober and I think you'll like the answer then kiss him and walk away.

But you've said yes now.
Massive alarm bells for you
I don't think you two are good match dirty op

Stella8686 · 07/08/2020 08:02

That should have said

Sorry op!

sixthtimelucky · 07/08/2020 08:02

And just to add: You might see it as a positive that he's straightened out his debts since he's been with you. But how much time, effort, energy, frustration and head space did that take from you? Do you want to be babysitting and teaching and guiding a grown man for the rest of your life?

fwwaftp · 07/08/2020 08:03

Hell's bells... I read through your very long post and had already decided it would be a very very bad idea to marry him LONG before I got to the rubbish proposal.

  1. You are financially incompatible. He will drag you into serious financial difficulties.
  2. He's never taken you to dinner even though he earns 3x as much as you.

So yeah, LTB.

And then came the rubbish proposal on the back of him coming in absolutely hammered. Awful. Just awful.

Don't marry him (but I fear you probably will...)

JimminyCricketwhites · 07/08/2020 08:04

Ok, pros: you love him; he's a great Dad; he's rubbish with money but working on it.

Cons: he cannot set up boundaries with his ex wife (in what way and WHY NOT???)
He's got a history of being rubbish with money (huge issue)
You argue a lot (mainly because of issues with EW)
He will spend £100 in a week on clothes for his hobby and he then buys you a £100 engagement ring which he gives you when he rolls home drunk

So the pros are strong reason but as everyone has said, the cons are huge. I know it's not the done thing to look at the value of the ring but really, REALLY?! £100 is what I'd expect from a skint love struck young man. He earns £1000's per month, will spend £100 on a t-shirt and bought you a £100 engagement ring. What the actual f*ck?! This adds another long 'ding ding' to the chorus of alarm bells.

The things is I think you are going to ignore the chorus here because you love him and he's good with your kids (does he actually make you happy?). If you are going to marry him whatever you do, get a pre-nup. Keep your savings away from him. And think really hard because if this goes tits up then it won't just be you who is heartbroken, it will be your kids too.

Watermelontea · 07/08/2020 08:05

Yeah the drip feed has changed nothing IMO, don’t bloody marry him.

Unhomme · 07/08/2020 08:06

I was waiting for the 'he's an excellent father' but Oh my word, he bought a car that is big enough for his family? Dad of the year right there!

Or, I think your original post still says it all. He's a twat. You hope he'll change. He won't.

OoohTheStatsDontLie · 07/08/2020 08:06

I dont think he has changed his attitude to money, enough for you to marry him or join finances. He has got rid of his debt but it sounds like he still blows literally thousands every month on stuff he wants but doesnt need, while not saving any, and not spending on you or the kids. His attitude to debt might have changed but his attitude to spending is still the same, and light years apart from yours. I don't see how this will work long term

JimminyCricketwhites · 07/08/2020 08:07

Also, who never goes out to dinner? Has neither of you ever suggested it?

Oh and tell us who the jeweller is - I love online window jewellery shopping!

HollowTalk · 07/08/2020 08:07

Your update doesn't change my mind. You'd have to be insane to marry him.

He sounds so bad with money- and greedy and selfish too - that it's clear any woman would regret it.

What would happen if he lost his job? This is happening to thousands and thousands of people at the moment. Don't even think of saying it wouldn't happen to him. If that happened, as his wife he would be landed with his debts and with his ridiculous spending habits.

Nowstrong · 07/08/2020 08:07

Polite GOSH!!! Get out! Don't even think about marrying this man.
You will regret your lost years and money. Not even a dinner out and you even think about marrying such a selfish manchild. I am not impressed.

HollowTalk · 07/08/2020 08:08

You can't say that you are happy when you are arguing constantly.

Fidgetthefluffer · 07/08/2020 08:10

Arg, I just keep digging myself in deeper! No, he has never taken me out for dinner (well we have but we always go halves on the bill) but we go out for drinks regularly. We have always taken it in turn to buy rounds as we dont have joint finances. I guess when he was trying to get out of debt and I had savings I didnt want make him pay as seemed unfair. Then we got into the habit of always paying our own way. Its just over the years my savings have grown (as I spend bugger all) and he has only just managed to pay off his debt. It was a massive culture change for him and he does genuinely say it was me that changed him. I am frustrated at how slow he has been. It is very obvious to me that if I had his income I would have paid off the debt within a year and would be now have substantial savings. However its not me and people are different.

Please dont think that I am not listening to all of you. Its extremely enlightening to have outsiders points of views. I am aware though that I am only giving one side of the story. I cant explain why he chose to do it in this way.

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