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Rubbish proposal

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Fidgetthefluffer · 07/08/2020 03:47

My DP proposed the other night and it was completely unexpected. To put it in context we have had a fucking horrendous year. He`s in court with his ex on an ongoing basis. We argue constantly about everything involved and his lack of boundaries with her have caused us massive problems. 2 weeks ago, we had yet another massive argument as he wants us to move towards joint finances. I lost my temper and pointed out amongst other things that he had never even taken me out for dinner despite earning over 3 times more than me.
For a long time, he was in debt as he pays his ex so much money, is rubbish at budgeting and so was living on credit cards. They were both terrible with money and got themselves in loads of debt which he took on at the end of the marriage. The only reason he / they did not go under is he earns a massive wage and it kept them afloat. I however am a saver and am very different. I used to treat him but soon realised he preferred much more expensive things then I was prepared to pay for. With a LOT of my help he has now got out of dept but as he now has so much more disposable income he spends thousands every month on random stuff. After a while it has started to grate that we are living these very different lives where he buys stuff constantly – He can afford it but doesn’t save – and I save obsessively so have some capital behind me but no nice “stuff.” It worries me for the future. I think at our age and position in life ( i.e. we are both very behind!) we need to be saving as much as possible regardless of how much we earn. Day to day its not an issue as we do not have joint finances and we spend our time together going hiking / inexpensive things that we both enjoy.
Anyway, I was very fed up after conversations and randomly got an email from my favourite jewellery designer with 20% off. Totally out of character I decided to buy myself a ring for approx. 100 quid. It was beautiful. I loved it and to be honest I was fed up of never doing anything nice for myself. It was also one if not the cheapest in the whole collection. I love all his work but can’t justify spending too much.

That night I mentioned it to my partner who went white and told me he had bought me the same ring. (He got emails as well as bought me a birthday ring there once.) I was really touched by how thoughtful he had been and that my remark has gone home. A bit of me was upset as we have talked about getting married and 5 years in, I’m starting to wonder what is going on. He has frequently told me he wanted to get married but nothing ever happened, and I realised that if he was buying me this ring then he was unlikely to be buying an engagement ring any time soon. I need to point out that this ring is as far away from an engagement ring as it is possible to be. The designer does make engagement rings as well but are obviously more money. They are stunning! I admit that if we ever got engaged, I was hoping to get rings from there. To be in perspective it is still less then 1/10 of his monthly after-tax income.

Both rings arrived and it was very funny. I did not open mine as I thought it was so lovely of him to have bought it and wanted to wear his. He was out last night with work and rolled in absolutely hammered. I had spent the evening kid wrestling and was just ready for bed. After telling me about his evening he said oh let’s check out the rings and ripped open the box. He then just asked me to marry him… it was unexpected to say the least. Sitting in my pyjamas in the kitchen. He could barely stand up. He was lovely and said lovely things, but it felt so completely random and un thought through. He has been out having loads of fun drinking cocktails all night and I`d been sat at home. To say we were on different wavelengths does not really cover it! I said yes as I do want to marry him. I was completely shocked by it all. He then fell asleep and I was awake thinking how the whole thing had felt so ridiculously un-special. I couldn’t imagine going to work the next day and suddenly being engaged. Calling my family... Honestly, I know its childish but we go hiking, we go to the beach, we climb mountains. Why he couldn’t have waited for something, anything, that could be even a little bit special. A massive issue in our lives is how fucked up he is by his ex-wife. I can’t help thinking about all the amazing holidays etc he took her on and I get a kitchen proposal. It really hurts. Especially the 100 quid ring which was 20% off. If he was a changed man and since paying off his debt, he had stopped spending them it wouldn’t sting so much but he spends 1000s every month on his hobbies. He continues to pay for his ex-wife’s expenses (separate from child support. A LOT more then 100 quid Wink ) I dunno, just this once I wanted to feel a bit special. Have some romance.

I know I`m being ridiculous. I lost it a bit the next morning and told him I didn’t want to get engaged like that. I said I was over the moon that he wanted to marry me and I definitely wanted to marry him but I wanted to have some better memories around it and make it special. I also want all the lawyer stuff to be over so that for once its about me and him and not him and his ex. He was understandably confused by it all and upset by my mixed messages. Arg I messed up fairly royally. Give me a talking to mumsnet. I’ve read all the other posts around this. Getting married - Its not a fairly story etc etc. I get all that. I’m def not looking for 20k rings and flash mobs! Just a bit of thought. Maybe a river or something? A scenic hill. Fuck even a glass of wine in the garden! A ring that is a bit more special than one I buy as a treat for myself. Am I being totally unreasonable? Or do I have a bit of a point? I literally don’t know!
I’m rereading my massive essay (sorry!) and am even judging myself. So basically, you are pissed off that he spends money on himself and exwife and you don’t get any. I guess that is a massive part of it! Still would have liked a beach or something

OP posts:
ShesMadeATwatOfMePam · 07/08/2020 07:18

What an absolutely shit marriage that will be op. Don't sleep walk into this. Give him his ring back and wear yours. You're always going to be second best to his ex wife. You get married, he gets access to your money and it'll be gone in a flash. What is there to love about him, seriously? He's shit with money and dances to his ex's tune. He treats her better than he treats you.

Plus... I don't believe in engagement rings but he fritters away thousands every month but the engagement ring he bought you cost £80. What the fuck? It's that all you're worth for a ring you would be wearing forever?

VinylDetective · 07/08/2020 07:23

You haven’t said a single positive thing about him in your OP. You don’t even seem to like him much. For both your sakes, cut and run.

Twiningalldaylong · 07/08/2020 07:27

Don't marry him. He's not your equal. Why would you want to spend your life mothering him? He sounds like a hard work despite the money.

LEELULUMPKIN · 07/08/2020 07:27

I feel sorry for you OP. Your life is going to be a misery if you marry this man.

Judging by your responses, you probably will.

See you back here in a while when it all goes tits up.

MsTSwift · 07/08/2020 07:27

Your self este must be on the floor to thing he is a good man prospect. He will bleed you dry

Starlightstarbright1 · 07/08/2020 07:29

@zoemum2006

The rubbish proposal is the least of your worries.

You have some serious relationship issues to tackle before you even think about marriage.

You don't sound like you're on the same page as each other at all in ways that will plague your marriage.

I have similar attitudes to money/ life as you and I would come to despise your finance.

This
BlokeNumber9 · 07/08/2020 07:29

I am a veteran of a catastrophic marriage and that is exactly what you are going to get. So run away while you still have two unbroken legs and an unbroken heart.

AnneLovesGilbert · 07/08/2020 07:29

Have you been married before?

Do you think he’ll start prioritising you over his ex if you get married?

Whose are the kids you mention, yours, his, shared, ransoms?

Nonotthisagain · 07/08/2020 07:29

You'll always be second best and his attitude to money will end up breaking you.

Apart from that yes it's an utterly shit proposal with a ring that isn't good enough. I'm not materialistic bit on this case - no it's not good enough, it's indicative of how he feels about you - 'that'll do for her'

Watermelontea · 07/08/2020 07:31

I hope he has SOME redeeming qualities as he sounds like a nightmare.
YABU to have said yes, and done so when he was hammered, but YANBU to be disappointed.
Next step is to tell him that whilst you love the ring, you’re returning one of them and you’d like a sober proposal with a ‘proper’ ring if you’re to carry on with future plans.
Whatever you do don’t join finances until he’s been free of debt for a few years, you don’t need that kind of hassle.

Starlightstarbright1 · 07/08/2020 07:31

@Fidgetthefluffer

Ahh Cinocoperros posted same time as me. Yes thats the feeling i was getting from it all. I do think its lovely he chose the same ring as me. I do absolutely love it. I love all this guys jewelry so a non brainer for DP to choose one of his rings... I just wish it looked a bit more engagement ringy
Within that you said it was the cheapest ring in the brochure so did he pick simply the cheapest
Jaxinthebox · 07/08/2020 07:34

I feel you dont want to hear that he is wrong for you. But he is not who I would want to spend my life with. He needs to work on his issues re his ex, his finances and everything else. You have rescued him. I suggest you read the freedom programme online and stop excusing his shit behaviour toward you.

BlueJava · 07/08/2020 07:38

The ring and proposal are side issues. Nothing you have said shows you ate compatible. He sounds a nightmare a d you're be bailing him out for the rest of your life. Move on and find someone who is on the same page as you.

Ginfordinner · 07/08/2020 07:39

@PaulinePetrovaPosey

You argue constantly and have totally different approaches to money?

The proposal isn't the issue, the relationship is.

You'd be mad to marry him.

This ^^
NoMoreReluctantCustodians · 07/08/2020 07:40

I'm not sure why you're marrying someone who is so fundamentally different to you. To earn that amount of money and not put anything past for a rainy day is unwise.

Fidgetthefluffer · 07/08/2020 07:42

OK, I am definitely listening to people here. Thats why I posted. Its very hard to see the bigger picture when you are in it. I do need to say some other things about it. Yes, he is historically very bad with money. Since we met however he has slowly paid off all his debts. He has a budget that as far as I know he is sticking to so that he no longer uses credit cards. He has stopped all the crazy stuff that he used do - super expensive shampoos / toiletries - Now uses bog standard stuff. Learnt to cook so dosent spend a fortune on takeaways. Dosen`t buy mentally expensive wallets / glasses / sunnies. Previously he really didnt understand that money was something he can control. Ridiculous as that sounds. He has genuinely embraced saving money... However he then took up an expensive hobby and spends a fortune on that instead. His explanation is that they are one off items that he will not need to replace.. My concern is that there seem to be a LOT of one off items.
My ring issue was also coloured by this as he will easily spend a 100 quid every week on clothing items to do with his sport.

The conversation re joint expenses was about buying a house. I have the deposit but he has the income. I have told him in the past i will not buy a property with him unless we are married (again mumsnet advice!) Please dont think thats what promoted the proposal. We have been talking for many years about marriage but theres always been issues ( ex) going on in the background. As our anniversary is coming up I think hes started to give it more thought re how long we have been together. He got very badly burnt with his ex wife financially and emotionally and he wanted to make sure he didn't make a mistake again. I respect that. He has also several times mentioned that he wanted to be debt free before he joined finances with me. I was getting frustrated though!

Also to mention completely aside from money - my children absolutely bloody adore him! He is fantastic with them and treats them as his own. As I work so much he picks them up from school everyday and cooks / entertains them. Regardless of whether he has his own or has lots of meetings etc. I wanted to say this as I focused entirely on the proposal and of course there is always more to it then that. Finally, he bought a new car ( well a second hand one as new cars is also a habit he has got rid off!) so we can fit all the children in it ( there is a few !) He did that off his own back.

Sorry if this is - that expression i cant remember -when people add extra information that changes everything. It was originally just a rant about the proposal but realised i was not painting a complete picture. Interested to know if this changes people opinions.

OP posts:
newmum332 · 07/08/2020 07:42

There are so many red flags here OP I would really consider whether this relationship is going anywhere if I were you.

It sounds like you have helped him through a lot and he has failed to recognise what you’ve done for him.

The ring would have been a nice gift from him and quite thoughtful but he’s just taken it too far by passing it off as an engagement ring when it clearly isn’t one!! And he could have purchased an actual engagement ring if the plan was to propose to you. That just seems a bit odd to me.

On top of everything the difference in your approach to money would be the deal breaker for me and the fact be clearly hasn’t dealt with his ex wife.

MadinMarch · 07/08/2020 07:43

Another one here that says don't marry this man!
He's not the man for you and also you'll become legally responsible for his debts as well

Ooooosh · 07/08/2020 07:44

Stop thinking he’s going to change. He hasn’t changed since the debt has gone and he won’t change when the court case with his ex is over. He’s just spending thousands of money on himself every month and bought you £100.00 ring? My ring was around £300.00 so I’d say it was cheap (and beautiful) but both DH and I are very tight with money so it was perfect for us. If you’re not on the same page financially the arguments are never going to stop and if you marry him you’ll end up with his debt. I’ve been with someone that was crap with money and I’m never going to waste my life on someone so pathetic again. You’re thinking marriage will fix everything and it really won’t.

DianaT1969 · 07/08/2020 07:46

Let's imagine that he loses his job due to Covid. You will be married to a man who can't budget and save, runs up debts and needs to pay to support his ex-wife and children. He puts his hobbies above you. Does he get very drunk often?
In this scenario, you are the bread-winner and do most of the DC and household chores. Does that sound like fun?

Happynow001 · 07/08/2020 07:47

@Fidgetthefluffer

There is far more wrong with this relationship than us rings. Why on Earth would you take the, IMO, really foolish step of tying yourself up legally and financially to someone who has such differing life values as this man does?

Also you do realise that, considering the way he throws money around, that he's likely to be back in debt before too long? And that if you are married you will own a good part of that debt, which you currently have no control over?

Have you done a credit check recently to see if he really is out of debt and/or not taken out any debt he's not told you about - especially if he's living on credit cards? Try Experian.

Can you really trust him?

Whose child(ren) were you "kid wrangling"? Are they yours? Or his with the Ex?

I think you have more serious issues to consider than rings and type of proposal you've received.... Was he married before/divorced now?

Protect yourself OP. 🌹

honeylulu · 07/08/2020 07:51

The rubbish proposal is not want you need to worry about (my husband just gave me a ring as a Christmas present; didn't actually propose at all; said he didn't think it was necessary as he knew i was so keen to get engaged hmmm - but we are still married, together and happy after 25 years).

You should not WANT to marry this man. He is so wrong for you!

  1. Well off but squanders his money - realises you have tidy savings despite being poorer- suddenly wants to merge finances so he can no doubt spend those as well!
  1. In thrall to his ex wife. Sounds like he spolit her rotten during their relationship AND STILL DOES. But he's never even taken you out for dinner. Not once. Not even for the proposal.
  1. Spends thousands on his hobbies despite the above. Appalling. You sound totally mismatched.
  1. Does not seem to consider you special or deserving (dare I say, just convenient). An £100 ring when he has thousands to spend every month. If he was hard up, fair enough, but in the circumstances it's a bit of a slap in the face.

Find someone who deserves you!

Aquamarine1029 · 07/08/2020 07:53

Interested to know if this changes people opinions.

Not even a little bit. He's been blowing obscene amounts of money on himself, not even thinking of the future you want to build, he is enmeshed with his ex at the expense of your relationship, your financial ethics and goals are light years apart, you row all the time, and, unbelievably, he's never even taken you out to dinner?? Whilst you've been treating him for years.

If this situation wasn't so alarming and horrible, it would be laughable.

AmandaHugenkiss · 07/08/2020 07:54

He proposed drunk, in the kitchen, with the cheapest ring in a brochure he knows you like. He’s pushing for joint finances and spends 1000s a month on a hobby but won’t spend on you, and doesn’t save. He wants you to finance a house with your deposit, and bail him out financially if he gets stuck again. YOU have got him out of debt from the sounds of it, by managing him.

Don’t do it. I had shit drunken proposals from someone who later admitted he wouldn’t have done it sober, and only did it to stop me from leaving. This has disaster written all over it.

hammie46i · 07/08/2020 07:54

With the additional information, OP, I still think you would be mad to marry him and should reconsider your answer to him. If you want to stay together, wait a few years then re-assess. I think you'd need to see bigger changes in how he handles finances, either that or keep everything separate and not marry or merge your lives in that way.

I don't like that he spends a lot of money on himself & his hobbies and finds the cheapest ring possible for you. That doesn't sit right with me.