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Fed up nanny!

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Nanny991 · 06/08/2020 14:46

I’m a nanny and I look after two boys age 8 usually after school but full time at the minute due to covid. I get on very well with my boss and have formed a lovely bond/relationship with the two boys over the last year.

A couple of months ago my boss asked me if I would mind hosting some play dates/providing childcare once or twice a week with the boys best friend. He has been coming every Monday and Thursday, and honestly it’s been a nightmare from the start. He doesn’t listen, answers back, causes arguments between the two boys and just generally stresses me out. Don’t get me wrong, my two boys have their moments and sometimes don’t listen, can be grumpy but generally they are well behaved and understand the rules/boundaries. I like to think of myself as firm but fair and they have lots of treats/nice days out with me but they understand there are rules that come with that. My boss is usually very supportive and always backs me up if they misbehave.

Their friend has been over today and it’s been awful from the moment he walked through the door. They have all been arguing/crying non stop all morning (they do bicker at times but definitely not this much). Said friend is obviously a bit closer to one of the boys than the other which is fine, but this means that the other gets left out frequently. He has also been answering me back a lot, when I’ve asked them to tidy up toys etc. He can also be quite rough with the boys, slapping and hitting and when they ask him to stop he doesn’t listen, even when I get involved and ask him to calm down he just ignores me.

Boiling point came today when we were at the park earlier and he kept on climbing over the rails to get out. I asked him nicely quite a few times to stay in the park and explained the dangers of running away from me. He continued to ignore me so I took them all home, this resulted in non stop tears all the way home. I feel awful as his behaviour has ruined a nice day out for my two boys which I don’t think is fair but I’m not sure what other options I had. We’ve come home now and I’ve said no devices/tv for the rest of the day, told them they can colour, read, play with toys if they like which my two boys are doing but the friend is now sat on the sofa sulking. He keeps on asking me “if I’m good will you not tell my mum?”, I just haven’t answered.

I really don’t think it’s a good idea that he comes as they all obviously cannot get on and play nicely together. It is just constant bickering/screaming/arguing all day long and it’s not enjoyable for any of us. I did speak to his mum a couple of weeks ago as he ran away from me when we were on a walk and she was extremely nice and supportive about it and I believe she did speak to him. She seems approachable but I’m also conscious of pissing my boss off. He is extremely close to this lady and I’m not sure if he’d be “embarrassed” if I spoke to her and highlighted all these problems. I could tell him later tonight when he gets home but I’m not sure if the message would be passed on, which makes the whole thing pointless.
I don’t get paid extra to look after this child although I don’t mind as my boss gave me a large bonus at Christmas and is usually generous in other areas so I would like to be fair but also not be taken advantage of.

So, do I...

1.	Speak to the boys mum tonight when she picks him up (before my boss gets home) 

2.	Speak to my boss when he gets home and just hope he picks up on my hints and passes the message on

3.	Don’t say anything, give the boy another chance and just hope the situation improves

???

OP posts:
IdblowJonSnow · 06/08/2020 15:26

Speak to the boss and say it's not working. Ask for time off on those two days until they get the msg! 2nd suggestion (mainly) a joke.
I wouldn't approach other parent unless she asks, in which case I'd tell her about his behaviour.

GlamGiraffe · 06/08/2020 15:27

Speak to your employer.
He's inadvertently putting one of his children in a situation where they are left out and feel miserable. Both children are in an overly confrontational and potential violent situation due to the other child, or it is potentially dangerous for your main charges due to the poor behaviour of the playdate child (if he were to run away etc what would you do? Chase him, leave the other two etc, it's not safe).
I'd suggest stating things aren't going well and are not the way you would normally expect play dates to happen. Say you dont feel his children are are benefitting and you arent sure its safe. Suggest that If one child enjoys playing with this child you make as and when arrangements for dates of a few hours in length rather than pre booked whole days.
I would be concerned if one of my children was being continually sidelined because someone else was over to play, I would be very concerned if I found out that child was badly behaved when out. I am paying for my children to be looked after, if another child's constant antics puts them at risk because they cant behave sensibly it does change the situation. Its no longer having another similar child along playing it means you are spending all your time concentrating on that one child which totally changes the dynamic.

AntiAuntieAnty · 06/08/2020 15:28

If the mother of the other boy so badly wants him to play with your two, then she can invite yours to a playdate at her place. Then she can see the problem for herself.

And this^^ too. If this boy likes playing with yours so much, his family can host sometimes too, can't they? Otherwise, you are just doing free childcare for them. Do they ever ask yours to come to them for a playdate?

I definitely think some people with nannies seem to do this. Yeah, send him over. The nanny won't mind. I bet the boss wouldn't want to host him on his own twice every week for the whole day.

Still1nLove · 06/08/2020 15:29

You must tell the mum about her child not listening, trying to leave the park and that is why you were forced to bring all of the boys home.

Tell your boss that it’s not working, for all of the reasons you have stated. Apart from anything else, it is obviously not safe for you to continue to look after him.

SisyphusAndTheRockOfUntidiness · 06/08/2020 15:31

Talk to your boss ASAP. Emphasis on the fact that you were concerned for the child's safety & that he repeatedly refused to listen even after you had explained why you were calling him back. Also, I'd probably apologise for the awkwardness - it's obviously not in any way your fault but you obviously don't have the upper hand in this situation. Don't apologise for his behaviour or your inability to control it. Just be absolutely honest. You sound decent & from what you've said your boss does too.

Proudboomer · 06/08/2020 15:33

A regular two days a week is not a play date. It is child care.
He might give you a decent bonus at Christmas but is it equal to the at least 20 days of extra childcare you have provided?

Speak to him at tell him it doesn’t work for you and you are terminating the arrangement as of today.

Still1nLove · 06/08/2020 15:35

Just read your update. So she is working for your boss on the two days you have her child? It’s not a play date then is it! The pair of them are being extremely cheeky

Beautiful3 · 06/08/2020 15:38

I would explain the situation to both of them, in a nice way.

howfarwevecome · 06/08/2020 15:42

I would just say it's not working: they boy disrupts the dynamic, doesn't behave, and one of your boss' own children is frequently the odd man out because of the little brat.

Atalune · 06/08/2020 15:44

They are both being rather cheeky.

You should-
Be remunerated for the additional child
You should tell the mother about the child’s behaviour at collection
You must say directly to your boss that as it stands the current situation isn’t working

Are you a qualified experienced nanny? You come across as quite wimpy and I can’t understand why you haven’t addressed this so far?

Nanny991 · 06/08/2020 15:45

Yes qualified experienced nanny, have worked with children for around 10 years now. I admit, I don't handle confrontation/problems very well.

OP posts:
Atalune · 06/08/2020 15:49

Well, you are so very in the right here and so I would crack on.

Maybe write down what you want to say and have a go at practising it with a friend?

Unless you tell your boss there is a problem, how is he to know?

I think the best way to put it is to frame it around how unhappy HIS children are with the situation. And how they are missing out.

Thecobwebsarewinning · 06/08/2020 15:49

For your own sake you need to speak up about this as soon as possible. If he is ignoring you and running away you can’t keep him safe. You need to be very clear about this. Quite apart from the other issues this child is not safe in your care. You cannot and should not continue to take responsibility for him.

Orchidflower1 · 06/08/2020 15:52

You must tell the mum about her child not listening, trying to leave the park and that is why you were forced to bring all of the boys home.

Tell your boss that it’s not working, for all of the reasons you have stated. Apart from anything else, it is obviously not safe for you to continue to look after him.

^^^^
This.

HyacynthBucket · 06/08/2020 15:53

There was a similar thread on here a few weeks ago, posted by the mother/employer whose nanny was getting the run around from another child visiting theirs. The solution was that she backed up her nanny and spoke to the other parent. This is what needs to happen with you OP. Your employer needs to sort out the various 'relationship' issues going on here. Its not your problem to sort them Tell him He probably knows what the child is like already.

Deadringer · 06/08/2020 15:54

Your boss and his friend are both cheeky fuckers! You have laid out the issues very clearly in the op so you can do the same to your boss. Do not hint, just say its not working and spoiling the very good relationship you have with the boys. Leave no room for negotiation, or they will offer reduce the hours he comes, increase your money a bit, or promise he will behave. Be clear, its not working and cannot continue. You are entirely in the right here, and your boss is lucky to have you.

monkeymonkey2010 · 06/08/2020 15:58

He probably just offered her free child care so she could get her work done
Wow! Your boss is a cheekyfucker!

You've basically been manipulated into providing 2 days childcare for an extra person under the guise of 'playdates'!!!!!!
I bet the child's mum isn't paying you any extra for the 2 days childcare you're doing for her???

What happens if the child hurts himself etc on your watch?
Will the mum claim on your insurance?
Will you be held liable as a 'nanny' in charge of her son?

You need to start looking after your own back and stop seeing your boss as 'wonderful in all ways'.........you're having the royal piss taken out of you!

Nanny991 · 06/08/2020 15:59

I think the boy behaves better in my bosses care as a couple of days ago he said how great the boy was Confused definitely not what I've experienced.

OP posts:
thatwouldbeanecumenicalmatter · 06/08/2020 15:59

If I had a penny for every time I read about a CF taking the piss out if their nanny and dumping more random DC on them...

Sorry OP they're a pair of CF taking the piss out of you, he clearly can afford to pay you more but chooses not to despite your workload increasing, you want to think why he thinks that's ok?

Bemorechicken · 06/08/2020 16:00

Be very factual ask for a suitable time and state:
There are a number of issues about X coming which I would like to discuss.

  1. Safety -he does not follow instructions from me
  2. The upset he causes between his own children
  3. The physical and emotional problems her causes between his two boys and how unhappy they are
  4. That you thought a play date -was just that a play "Date" a one off -but it isn't. It's extra work -one child for 20 days -20 days extra work
  5. The dynamics aren't working
  6. Can play dates -cease. If the mother is around and it is a one off fine.

I'm sorry but no way is this a playdate -this is hours and hours of unpaid childcare. A bonus of for doing your job -not for 20 free days childcare for someone else.

Your boss needs to speak to her NOT you.

Be factual -how was x?We didn't have a good day. Please speak to my boss.

Deadringer · 06/08/2020 16:03

I know a couple, both well paid barristers, who have 2 dc. Her sister has a nanny for her three children so they started leaving their dc in sister's house with the nanny, as she 'was getting paid anyway', and would 'hardly notice an extra couple'. Mean cheeky fuckers.

theemmadilemma · 06/08/2020 16:06

Be honest with her that you took them home today because of his behaviour.

When the boss gets home, tell him that this arrangement is causing issues and you had not expected it to be ongoing. Be clear like you have here. I'm sure he probably won't want his boys to be unhappy because of this arrangement either.

thatwouldbeanecumenicalmatter · 06/08/2020 16:08

@Nanny991

I think the boy behaves better in my bosses care as a couple of days ago he said how great the boy was Confused definitely not what I've experienced.
I call bullshit, either he shoves the kid in front of a screen all day or he knows fine well the kid is hard work and knows it's tough for you and is gaslighting you. My Dsis tries to employ a similar tactic on me.

CFers are gonna CF if you give them an inch.

EveryDayIsADuvetDay · 06/08/2020 16:11

Tell your boss, not the CF parent - but you'll need to do a bit more than hope he picks up on your hints.
Be direct, that the additional child is a nightmare, and makes the to you're supposed to be looking after change from well behaved children to irresponsible little xxxx.
You're employed to look after two children - the occasional playdate seems fine - but you'll find yourself running a nursery for all his mates and colleagues at this rate!

Mummyoflittledragon · 06/08/2020 16:11

This isn’t on at all. The boys aren’t happy. It is your boss, who needs to sort this out. You are being exploited for free childcare for a child, who is not behaving and making everyone miserable. What would happen if something happened to him? You aren’t even insured.

I would tell the mum you had to return home because he put himself in danger and wouldn’t listen. Then I would tell your boss this arrangement has now ceased.

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