The South West is on course to be locked down next

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www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.cityam.com/coronavirus-in-england-whats-the-r-number-for-your-area/amp/%3futm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=2020%2520Five%2520at%25205

According to the data, the South West’s R number is the same as the North West at +1. Will local councils be trying to sort it before the government impose official stricter lockdown measures as in the NW?

@PhilCornwall1 When you are elderly, you will realise that stereotyping can be quite hurtful. I'm not "bloody aggressive" just as all you younger people are obviously not guilty of stereotyping. Sorry you have some miserable old farts where you live!

@cologne4711

Cornwall is naice people’s summer playground

nothing to do with being "naice" (although half the population of my "naice" town go there in the summer - in normal times). I just don't get it myself - why would you want to go somewhere that is always so busy?

I do hope the tourists are remembering there's a virus around though - when I visited my mum a few weeks ago people in Dartmouth in Devon definitely were not!

We went on a tourist train yesterday on the Settle to Carlisle line. Everyone on the train, at the stations, and in the destination (Appleby) were social distancing, wearing masks when required etc. We felt perfectly safe on and off the train.

Perhaps it's a different demographic/societal class who go on a tourist train as opposed to a beach??

I'm in Swindon and due to the outbreaks in the workplaces, I can see Swindon being locked down soon. We are almost at the same cases per population as Greater Manchester so better keep an eye on Twitter every evening!

Locals cannot safely use their local beaches, too dangerous too crowded,

I will be pleased if Dorset has a lockdown and then the air will be less polluted with diesel.

We simply have too many people in small places

chances of catching coronavirus on a beach is virtually zero

[quote Beebie2]@User87471643901065319

You can go to the pub, a restaurant, a tourist attraction (but you can’t stay anywhere overnight on holiday), the hairdresser, nail bar etc but you can’t sit in your Aunty Pat’s conservatory?? Or meet your mum in Preston, in a large park at a social distance. How’s that logical?

Maybe if Aunty Pat got herself a card reader, and called herself a business, her conservatory would become magically safe 🤔[/quote]
You can meet your mum in a park, just not a private space. I agree it’s all illogical, but that bit isn’t true.

I hope not, I'm in West Devon and we've had no cases for something like 5 weeks now, I've just started feeling brave enough to start going to see my mum again!

@LadyCatStark

It won’t because it’s the playground for the white, southern middle classes. Wigan had 2, yes 2, cases last week and it’s part of the northern lockdown. Make of that what you will.

Wigan cases

28/07/2020 3
27/07/2020 1
26/07/2020 3
25/07/2020 2
24/07/2020 5
23/07/2020 11
22/07/2020 1

Looks more like 26, still that second digit is so easy to forget to type!

I've some sympathy with you though as 26 is still nothing to get too excited about given the size of the population, plus the trend looks to be downward.

[quote 81Byerley]@PhilCornwall1 When you are elderly, you will realise that stereotyping can be quite hurtful. I'm not "bloody aggressive" just as all you younger people are obviously not guilty of stereotyping. Sorry you have some miserable old farts where you live![/quote]
God, you make me sound like I'm 20. I wish I was!!

If you look here all the SW areas are green except one, Cornwall...

www.theguardian.com/world/2020/aug/01/coronavirus-near-me-are-uk-covid-19-cases-rising-in-your-local-area

That beach doesn't look any busier than my local one. People were in groups, distanced, tents and windbreaks around themselves, distancing in water etc.

Our town has had 2 cases in 17 days.

This beach is local to us and everyone is distancing fine. It's not exactly "rammed" either.

@Pericombobulations I hope you get to get here next year!
We are very boring when we come, rarely travelling beyond the beach (and usually on the wet bit because I hate crowds and other people) apart from local shop for supplies. Of course with facemasks now and not en masse. It’s such a lovely beach that no need to wander too far. Odd walks up and down the coast but not much more.

I'm in Greater Manchester, we haven't been locked down, we just can't go to other's houses and gardens or meet others indoors. Our household can still go out and about, shops, bars and restaurants are still open, parks and gyms are open etc

Not bothered about tourists potentially bringing coronavirus , just that everywhere is too rammed and hard to park etc

Cannot wait till they all leave again in sept

@PhilCornwall1, hello!! We are neighbours! That is my local beach, too!

Although, I’ve been using the small and hidden beaches recently for paddle boarding and swimming off in the evenings.

Just coming back from Cornwall, plenty of space even on popular beaches on sunny days. Made to feel very welcome. Businesses with good procedures in place. Great holiday. Didn't go within 2 m of anyone.

[quote Orangeblossom777]If you look here all the SW areas are green except one, Cornwall...

www.theguardian.com/world/2020/aug/01/coronavirus-near-me-are-uk-covid-19-cases-rising-in-your-local-area[/quote]
@Orangeblossom777 that map though is little more than simplistic nonsense, which the Graun's supporting report pretty much admits.

In the mad world of the Graun 1 to 2 (eg a 100% increase ) is bad but 1000 to 1100 (a 10% increase but 100 additional cases) isn't.

Whilst Cornwall's cases have indeed increased the most recent weekly rate in still only 3.32 per 100,000 people as opposed to Swindon's 29.7.

We are heading to Bude in 2 weeks and will be very strictly observing sd'ing and wearing masks, but also have plans to eat out sometimes (DH has his birthday while we're there) safely visit the beaches and go on long walks - I really don't think I'm a risk to locals anymore than if I went out in my home town (which incidentally I haven't been) PS Any good restaurant recommendations gratefully received

Cases in the South West are amongst the lowest in England and we'll below the national average.

Here's the full list of case rates per 100,000 for England's local authorities, showing the rate of new cases in the seven days to July 27:

Blackburn with Darwen 85.3

Leicester 57.7

Oldham 53.1

Bradford 44.9

Trafford 39.3

Calderdale 32.4

Rochdale 30.9

Sandwell 27.5

Manchester 24.5

Swindon 24.3

Kirklees 22.3

Salford 19.7

Peterborough 17.9

Luton 16.3

Sheffield 15.8

Stockport 15.8

Wolverhampton 15.3

Bedford 15.1

Tameside 15.1

Bolton 14.7

Bury 13.2

City of London 12.8

Birmingham 12.7

Lancashire 11.4

Wakefield 11.3

Rotherham 10.6

Coventry 10.1

Hartlepool 9.7

Cumbria 9.6

Brent 9.4

Northampton 9.2

Liverpool 8.7

Reading 8.6

Barking and Dagenham 8.5

Leicestershire 8.4

Greenwich 7.7

Kent 7.5

Oxfordshire 7.1

Kensington and Chelsea 7.0

Bexley 6.9

Brighton and Hove

Hammersmith 6.5

Wigan 6.4

Leeds 6.3

Tower Hamlets 6.3

Walsall 6.0

Southampton 5.9

Sutton 5.9

Barnet 5.9

Herefordshire 5.7

Solihull 5.6

Havering 5.4

Shropshire 5.3

Cheshire West and Chester 5.3

Sefton 5.1

Cambridgeshire 5.1

West Berkshire 5.0

Rutland 5.0

Dudley 5.0

Hounslow 4.8

Staffordshire 4.8

Derbyshire 4.8

Warwickshire 4.7

Windsor and Maidenhead 4.6

Lambeth 4.6

Islington 4.6

Stockton on Tees 4.6

Barnsley 4.5

Southwark 4.4

Worcestershire 4.4

Ealing 4.4

Medway 4.3

Westminster 4.3

Wandsworth 4.3

Lewisham 4.3

Nottinghamshire 4.3

Bristol 4.1

Thurrock 4.1

Slough 4.0

Knowsley 4.0

Harrow 4.0

Stoke on Trent 3.9

Suffolk 3.8

Essex 3.8

East Sussex 3.8

Haringey 3.7

Hertfordshire 3.6

Redbridge 3.6

Hillingdon 3.6

Blackpool 3.6

Middlesbrough 3.6

Richmond upon Thames 3.6

Kingston upon Thames 3.5

Newham 3.4

Warrington 3.3

Nottingham 3.3

West Sussex 3.3

Cornwall and Isles of Scilly 3.2

Gloucestershire 3.2

County Durham 3.0

Wiltshire 3.0

Torbay 2.9

Surrey 2.9

Doncaster 2.9

Waltham Forest 2.9

York 2.9

Kingston upon Hull 2.8

Telford and Wrekin 2.8

Wirral 2.8

Southend on Sea 2.7

Derby 2.7

Milton Keynes 2.6

Bath and North East Somerset 2.6

Croydon 2.6

Buckinghamshire 2.6

Bournemouth 2.5

Lincolnshire 2.5

Wokingham 2.4

Cheshire East 2.4

Camden 2.3

North Yorkshire 2.3

Hampshire 2.3

St. Helens 2.2

South Gloucestershire 2.1

Central Bedfordshire 2.1

North Tyneside 1.9

Merton 1.9

Darlington 1.9

North Somerset 1.9

North Lincolnshire 1.7

Bracknell Forest 1.6

Northumberland 1.6

Halton 1.6

Plymouth 1.5

East Riding 1.5

Norfolk 1.4

Portsmouth 1.4

Devon 1.4

South Tyneside 1.3

North East Lincolnshire 1.3

Bromley 1.2

Enfield 1.2

Sunderland 1.1

Somerset 1.1

Gateshead 1.0

Redcar and Cleveland 0.7

Isle of Wight 0.7

Dorset 0.5

Newcastle upon Tyne 0.3

From: www.itv.com/news/2020-07-30/englands-coronavirus-hotspots-revealed-with-case-rates-for-each-local-authority

I hope there will be some great science coming out of this.

I'd love to know if a C-19 infected person is in a room 10 metres by 10 metres how many other people would need to be with them in that room for there to be a greater than 50% chance of 2 people catching C-19 from them in an hour.

I'd then like to know if a C-19 infected person is on a beach how many people would need to be on that beach within the same 10 metre by 10 metre space with them for there to be a greater than 50% chance of 2 people catching C-19 from them in an hour.

I'm in North Devon and I havent been able to take my kids to Woolacombe or Saunton or anywhere like that. It is HEAVING. Apparently A361 at a standstill today.....however we still have very very low cases here. 2 cases in last week in ND.

This was Woolacoombe on Thurs. Anyone who knows it will know how big a beach it is. So it really is heaving there.

@OddBoots

I hope there will be some great science coming out of this.

I'd love to know if a C-19 infected person is in a room 10 metres by 10 metres how many other people would need to be with them in that room for there to be a greater than 50% chance of 2 people catching C-19 from them in an hour.

I'd then like to know if a C-19 infected person is on a beach how many people would need to be on that beach within the same 10 metre by 10 metre space with them for there to be a greater than 50% chance of 2 people catching C-19 from them in an hour.

I don't think the crowded beaches will make a difference to the cases at all. I think community transmission is the problem. BBQs in peoples gardens, people in and out of peoples houses, sharing food, drinks etc. Oh and pubs and indoor venues..