To be majorly pissed off at new lockdown rules?

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Teen DD has been looking forward to Eid for weeks. She has desperately been waiting to see the rest of her family and now we've been absolutely screwed over. She cried for most of the morning on and off and I'm just so annoyed that she's entering this state of absolute desolation again because she wasn't given a chance to prepare for Eid not being on. She was okay the last time if not very bored because she knew what was happening but this time she's just absolutely gutted. AIBU to be so angry? I just feel like it's ruined our day and I've wasted a whole load of money that I won't get back on food.

@Northernsoulgirl45
Sorry, I got it wrong - 4 people in England died in hospitals with positive coronavirus tests.
This is from The Telegraph Corona virus live feed :
A further 4 people who tested positive have died in hospitals in England aged between 78 and 84 and all had underlying health conditions.
Where did the other 70 died? In care homes, hospices, homes?
If they were unwell with Covid surely they should be in hospital?
They probably died with other conditions but sometime in the past tested positive.
Also doctors can put Covid on death certificate if the death was not in a hospital without a positive test.
It is a scandal that number are inflated to keep people scared.
Or those 70 deaths occured weeks ago.

I think the announcement was left to the last minute because they wanted Eid to go ahead. It would be political and economically advantageous to let people just carry on with the rules as they were (despite a climbing infection rate).
But then clearly realised that doing nothing would bite them in the arse in two weeks, when the cases would shoot through the roof - and everyone would want to know why the government didn’t protect the Muslim community who are statistically more at risk of dying .

Its weird how the figures differ so much though @Lunar567
That is just two days of hospital deaths.

The community figures do seem high granted.

[quote Lunar567]@Northernsoulgirl45
Sorry, I got it wrong - 4 people in England died in hospitals with positive coronavirus tests.
This is from The Telegraph Corona virus live feed :
A further 4 people who tested positive have died in hospitals in England aged between 78 and 84 and all had underlying health conditions.
Where did the other 70 died? In care homes, hospices, homes?
If they were unwell with Covid surely they should be in hospital?
They probably died with other conditions but sometime in the past tested positive.
Also doctors can put Covid on death certificate if the death was not in a hospital without a positive test.
It is a scandal that number are inflated to keep people scared.
Or those 70 deaths occured weeks ago.[/quote]
I think you're misunderstanding the data here - there is a lag on deaths and reporting which is explained in the NHS covid data stats. It is clear that as a nation we still have deaths of c70 per day and infection rates are rising. The pandemic is not over

Eid Mubarak. Xxx

OP. I am totally with you, and people can throw on graphs and whatever, but do I think they'd have done it on Christmas Eve? No.

And if they did, would the country have abided by it?

It;s a 'set up to fail' scenario, like all the beach stuff. So we can all blame Muslim people for a spike.

Well bollocks to that.

And if they did, would the country have abided by it?

Absolutely not.

It;s a 'set up to fail' scenario, like all the beach stuff. So we can all blame Muslim people for a spike.

I fear so.

@PhoneLock
"My mother's response to me or my siblings wailing "It's not fair!" was always "Life isn't fair." "

Mine used to cheerfully inform me "Life's not fair, and then you die."

I suggest Cycling that you don’t mention your job in future if you don’t want to be challenged on it. I only posted because I was genuinely bothered by the context in which you raised it. I don’t think I look remotely pathetic; rather, I hope I have reassured people that those working in change can be supportive rather than dismissive of those who struggle with it, but I think we both leave this here as there’s nothing more to be said.

YANBU. The decision may well be for the best, but it could have been taken earlier. It is also shocking that we are being allowed to do pretty much everything else except socialise with friends and family at home. (The restaurant scheme is especially shocking - government subsidising people to go eat in restaurants! Takeaways don't qualify. WTF? I have no problem with the hospitality industry being propped up, but just GIVE them the money.)

I agree with others that lockdown measures would never have been tightened on Christmas Eve. The timing of it smacks of discrimination.

Lol @extracurricularfatigue have you seriously ever read something on a social media platform by one total stranger and the thought wow i really have my doubts about people in that profession and then from that moment on carried that view forever more.

Thanks for the laughs 😆

Randomer, you didn't just share your opinion (which of course you're entitled to), you declared that Easter was never a "thing" until 10 years ago, hinting that no one celebrates it, which is untrue. It is the biggest festival in the Christian churches and is celebrated by Christians everywhere. It's not really about chocolate eggs.

I think you're misunderstanding the data here - there is a lag on deaths and reporting which is explained in the NHS covid data stats. It is clear that as a nation we still have deaths of c70 per day and infection rates are rising. The pandemic is not over

I think you're misunderstanding actually. Most of the community deaths are from weeks ago. We still haven't had any clarity from PHE about the real numbers since the "we've been counting everyone who's every had covid" debacle and realistically we will NEVER know who died OF covid and who died WITH it. Two very different things.

As things stand, I could test positive today, completely recover if I was ever even Ill to start with, and then get hit by a bus in a month's time and have my death included in the numbers.

@RabbityMcRabbit, of course it is the biggest Christian festival. Even a dimbat like me knows that. So why is it casually being compared to the lesser of the 2 Eid festivals?

My point ( poorly expressed) was that the commercialisation of it is a relatively new thing. I know it's not about chocolate.

As things stand, I could test positive today, completely recover if I was ever even Ill to start with, and then get hit by a bus in a month's time and have my death included in the numbers.

You could aldo be discharged from hospital with long term complications and die from a stroke week later caused by COVID. However because the desth wasn't in hospital it will be argued your death doesn't count as a COVID death
Did ONS data suggest how better were overstated? I had a feeling it was a few tbousand. Probably less than the excess deaths in the community and care homes which probably were Covid but weren't recorded as Covid.

@Northernsoulgirl45

As things stand, I could test positive today, completely recover if I was ever even Ill to start with, and then get hit by a bus in a month's time and have my death included in the numbers.

You could aldo be discharged from hospital with long term complications and die from a stroke week later caused by COVID. However because the desth wasn't in hospital it will be argued your death doesn't count as a COVID death
Did ONS data suggest how better were overstated? I had a feeling it was a few tbousand. Probably less than the excess deaths in the community and care homes which probably were Covid but weren't recorded as Covid.

Everyone who has tested positive for covid and subsequently dies has been counted whether covid was the cause or not. PHE have admitted this. People who haven't even tested positive at all have been counted!

Nobody is saying no community deaths count, some do and some definitely don't.

Sorry to go off on a tangent op. Yanbu.

Indications that many care home excess deaths related to COVID in the early days but not recorded as such.

I feel lunar was pretty much saying only hospital deaths count.

Could have, might have, possibly. PHE have confirmed that they've fucked up. Confirmed.

And also, people in care homes, believe it or not do die of other things.

At this point the numbers of hospital deaths are probably what we should be looking at because community death reporting lags massively and tells us absolutely nothing about how many people are actually still dying right now.

They matter, as people, of course. But if you want to analyse data there's no point looking at that.

All communities have missed out on important social and religious events of great significance. It's really sad but nothing can be done about it unfortunately. What a shame it was cancelled with such short notice but I think that's also an indication of how difficult the decision was.

Oop sorry that was posted by mistake!

Sorry for you and your family OP. It really sucks.

Once again I come here shocked to see that among the many things Covid has taken from humanity, empathy seems to have been removed as well.

Why the fuck cant posters just come on and say "I'm sorry OP, I hope your DD will be ok and you can salvage the day somehow. Eid Mubarak to you all" and leave it at that. Op doesnt need pps telling her we're in a pandemic, she bloody knows that! She doesnt need all this better safe than sorry rhetoric bullshit because although yes the lockdown may have been needed she is still allowed to feel upset and disappointed.

90 minutes notice is just terrible.

Fuck me, there are some nasty nasty people on this site. Care about your fellow man by keeping them safe by lockdown, how about care for your fellow man by also feeling empathy for those who are struggling.

Jeez, honestly, this place astounds me some times.