To be majorly pissed off at new lockdown rules?

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Teen DD has been looking forward to Eid for weeks. She has desperately been waiting to see the rest of her family and now we've been absolutely screwed over. She cried for most of the morning on and off and I'm just so annoyed that she's entering this state of absolute desolation again because she wasn't given a chance to prepare for Eid not being on. She was okay the last time if not very bored because she knew what was happening but this time she's just absolutely gutted. AIBU to be so angry? I just feel like it's ruined our day and I've wasted a whole load of money that I won't get back on food.

I guess the short notice could be because they were hoping that EID go ahead unrestricted , but things grew too quickly to allow that to happen

It is very disappointing, OP, and I feel for your family and all the effort you've put in. However, given the higher rates of death in older BAME communities the govt did the absolute right thing, especially given how Eid is a very inter-generational celebration.
And, although the govt, gave two hours notice, there had been talk in the media about locking down several days beforehand...

As a side note, think of all the millions of people who had been planning, for months/years, to go to Mecca this year. I posted this link to, perhaps, give some perspective rather than to downplay what you and your DD are feeling (at least that was my intention!)

news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-dramatic-pictures-show-scaled-down-hajj-pilgrimage-due-to-covid-19-12038688

Have a wonderful Eid regardless and, inshallah, next year your DD can have an Eid to remember.

Agree it’s totally rubbish. I discussed this thread last night with my dm who is of a different faith heritage to Muslim or Christian and she said she couldn’t understand anyone not being able to empathise with those who’ve had Eid celebrations suddenly stopped.

That was agreeing with @SaltyAndFresh

Everyone knows we're in the middle of a pandemic and we all appreciate that sacrifices have to be made, as I'm sure the OP does too. But what is outrageous is that the government couldn't even give the people affected the courtesy of a press briefing, an apology for leaving it so late, or even a clear explanation of why gardens are deemed less safe than pubs. Letting people know via a tweet with a screenshot of his notes is just rude.

I'm in Leicester and we'd been told we'd have an update on Thursday, and having been in extra lockdown for five more weeks people had begun to hope that maybe restrictions might be lifted a bit, maybe we would be able to finally travel to see family. People were hoping they could maybe have a proper Eid celebration. But the Leicester update was tacked onto the end of the NW news with no clarity whatsoever, and the majority of Leicester were up until after midnight desperately trying to piece together the new rules through tweets from local MPs and journalists.

I completely underrated your DD's upset and frustration OP, Eid Mubarak to you and your family.

@cyclingmad

thats the difference,I don't see it as a miserable situation in the first place. It was perhaps tougher and abit miserable when it was much stricter and u could only go out once a day, then again I love cycling so I quite enjoyed the empty roads.

You can still meet people in other places just not in your house and no more than restrictions allow, you can now go to the gym, you can visit places, you can go to shops, get your hair done etc. Thats hardly miserable.

Oh the "I'm doing lockdown better than you" Olympics. Here have a medal 🏅.

@Brefugee

I think a lot of posters are missing the point here. It's about the absolute fucking uselessness of the government "communication strategy". When they stopped the daily briefings they did say that major announcements would be made by means of a briefing. Well, putting 4.5 million people into these measures seems pretty major to me. So the briefing was... a tweet at 22:30. For those who think that's ok and adequate - have a bloody word with yourselves.

And yes, the signs were there that transmission rates and new infections were increasing. But looking at the guidelines the govt issues, they've missed out a step and gone right into extra harsh measures. Anyone criticising Muslims for having their celebrations anyway - meh. Again the tedious comparison to Christmas but i don't think that would have been any different.

Exactly, had this been done on Christmas eve I might not even have realised the rules had changed until after the Christmas Day celebrations. I'd be too busy celebrating to check the news (and I never go on Twitter! )

Eid mubarak!

I'm also in a lockdown area and agree it's rubbish. And being announced on twitter 2 hours before it came into effect is shocking.

If it was announced that way on Xmas eve I'd already be with my family. Most of the vast amounts of food would have been prepped and at home I'd have an empty fridge. My children would be devastated.

Of course I want to keep infection rates low but I struggle with the things we can do (sit on a busy train, sit in an office for 8 hours a day, go to a busy shopping centre, eat and drink in pubs and restaurants with strangers) compared to being with family and friends when you are better informed of their movements and the level of risk.

I hope your daughter is ok. And you are definitely not unreasonable to be upset.

Your teen DD will just have to realise that there is a pandemic that is killing people. If the Eid family celebrations had gone ahead there might not be many family members around this time next year.
I am a Catholic and missed the great Christian feast of Easter this year, as well as the subsequent feasts. I was not able to go to Mass for many months.
We all have to accept that times are very strange and that for some time to come we will have to live under regulations that are designed to make us safe, whether we like them or not.
The short notice was bad but I honestly think that the reasoning was correct.

@Jamestown

Your teen DD will just have to realise that there is a pandemic that is killing people. If the Eid family celebrations had gone ahead there might not be many family members around this time next year. I am a Catholic and missed the great Christian feast of Easter this year, as well as the subsequent feasts. I was not able to go to Mass for many months. We all have to accept that times are very strange and that for some time to come we will have to live under regulations that are designed to make us safe, whether we like them or not. The short notice was bad but I honestly think that the reasoning was correct.

Yeah I'm sure she's totally oblivious to the pandemic. Jesus Christ are people so lacking in empathy.

There is overwhelmingly more sympathy on the thread re people who chose to go on holiday to Spain and now have to quarantine/lose money than there is for the OP.

If MN is representative of society as a whole, it really doesn’t take much to scratch the surface pretence of “tolerance” does it.

And who is "us"?

Because I don't feel the restrictions are designed to make me "safe" nor do I want to be "kept safe" by anyone.

They haven't considered how unsafe some people actually are under restrictions.

The timing is dreadful. Not just because of what it does to the celebrations, but also I think some (not all) will flout the rules for the weekend - causing a further rise in levels. Which of course is not good and will ultimately lead to further lockdowns

So many idiots haven't listened in the first place so that's why it's coming back. Why complain about keeping your family safe? We all knew this may happen it's not a surprise. The Corona Virus doesn't go on hold just because.yoy want a family gathering!

@Onceuponatimethen

That was agreeing with *@SaltyAndFresh*

I agree as well

@nicky7654

So many idiots haven't listened in the first place so that's why it's coming back. Why complain about keeping your family safe? We all knew this may happen it's not a surprise. The Corona Virus doesn't go on hold just because.yoy want a family gathering!

If that's aimed at me the restrictions aren't keeping my family safe...

We are at a tiny tiny risk of catching this and being seriously ill. I don't need to be kept safe. Keeping us "safe" has actually just brought my anxiety right back when I've been fine for years, isolated my child and put my job, income and therefore home at risk. Luckily I found another job but not everyone will be so lucky.

Catching fucking Corona is the least of my worries.

@Lifeisgenerallyfun

It is very sad for everyone who was abiding by all the rules especially. I highly suspect though that the short notice and restrictions put in place were specifically aimed trying to limit a spike due to the EId celebrations. Keeping pubs/shops etc open whilst stopping private meetings inside and in gardens says one thing. Unfortunately, it appears that many local spikes seem to be in areas of high Asian populations, for whatever reason, so it must have seemed sensible for the government to try and limit large multi household get togetherS in these areas when they were most likely to happen.

I hope you manage some form of celebrations this weekend

This.

I'm not familiar with Greater Manchester & East Lancs, however the fact that the lockdown applies to Bradford and a few other Asian-dense areas of West Yorkshire but not the lesser Asian-populated but yet still densely populated areas of West Yorks, says to me that the government ARE thinking of Eid specifically.

It's ever so slightly racist from where I'm sitting and I think it's disgusting.

I live just the other side of the border to West Yorks and the Covid cases here are off the charts. Yet no local lockdown for us! Funnily enough, we have a very, very low population of Asian families in our area - almost none. Funny that....

aren't you the very empitome of human kindness nicky. The health secretary rang Andy Burnham at 5pm to advise a lockdown was coming but then didn't announce anything till much later in the evening. A local authority CEO in West Yorkshire was apparently trying to get information from Whitehall when the news was announced on Sky.

Communications have been absolutely awful and the announcement of this decision is more of the same.

Exactly, had this been done on Christmas eve I might not even have realised the rules had changed until after the Christmas Day celebrations. I'd be too busy celebrating to check the news (and I never go on Twitter! )

DH and I were saying exactly the same thing yesterday.

People missing the point this wouldn't have happened had people in those areas not been flouting rules weeks beforehand.

Rest of uk who are celebrating eid in heavily Asian populated areas like Southall, ilford havenf had lockdown restrictions, maybe because they have been following guidelines all along and cases haven't increased.

End of the day that's the crux of it, if u want to continue with this current near normal life then everyone in the area needs to do the right thing.

People need to realise this isn't a one day or weekend lockdown restriction, leicester still hasn't quite gone back yet. Its weeks!

If if happened in my area I'm gonna be angry at people in my area for flouting rules ruining it for a good few more weeks and for what a few extra meet ups with familg...well done idiots!

@Extracurricularfatigue

What a sensible antidote to all @cyclingmad 's "pull up your socks" sneering bullshit. Thank you.

This is why some workplace transitions/mergers go well and some are fucking disasters. It depends on whether the style of change management goes your way (considerate, listening, responsive) or cycling's ("shut the fuck up and be grateful you still have a fucking job, scum").

Eid Mubarak OP, it's bollocks. Not even being locked down, not even the short notice, but the totally contemptuous half-arsed badly organised communication of the decision. No explanation of the scientific basis, total speculation by Hancock as to the causes, the hypocrisy of keeping economically helpful venues open while shutting down private garden meetings, none of this properly justified or explained. A tweeted list at nearly midnight leaving everyone to figure out what the fuck it means for themselves. I live in Leicester, I support even more stringent lockdown measures than we have anywhere, and I was still spitting feathers at being treated like a bunch of ignorant serfs by this shitty shitty government. I feel your anger and share it, even if we're not angry ostensibly about the same thing.

It's like the current management buzz word,"resilience". Basically translates to "you have to deliver more and more for us, with less and less resource and support, and if you struggle you aren't being 'resilient' enough and it's on you". Total self serving shit.

it's not as if there wasn't any warning that lockdown would happen if things didn't improve significantly. Things didn't improve and yet people say there was no notice. The only uncertainty in my head was what area would need to be covered.

Hahah my change style is pull your socks up .....whereas you all ignore the FACTS that there have been plenty of articles and messages saying as we come out of lockdown be aware if cases rise we will impose local lockdown...did you miss all fhat? Did u miss seeing and hearing what happened in Leicester? Did it not then occur to you it could happen to your area?

Dis you miss the entire week of news saying cases rising in all these areas and there is talk of lockdown restrictions coming? Did you miss those too?

I dont even have or use twitter yet I heard about the lockdown on the main news the moment it was decided so you can throw your comment about it only being on twitter in the bin thats rubbish.

You all focus on the fact its eid, missing the point that people in those areas flouting the rules and cases increased....why have other parts of the country not been locked down? Oh that's right cos they are adding by the rules in the majority.

I have emparhy when this all started in March sure it was a shock I got the anger, we are 5 months into this now we had weeks pre easing of lockdown of being told again and again local lockdowns will happen and will happen fast to addreas rapidly changing circumstances.

In chnage you have a 90 day roadmap we,ve had 5 months!!!! If you as an individual are refusing to listeb and acknowledge all the information being given to you and accept that people flouting rules is gonna be the reason for increase cases and therefore increase risk of lockdown then god help you really.

How many times do you need to be rold, keep your distance you can only have x household together, do not hug etc.

Can you say that any more simply? Or differently?

Yeah i for one feel sorrt for people living in thise areas who having their life restricted because of all the idiots who redused to abide...now they will have weeks of this which could have been avoided.

But ya know lets just ignore all those facts and have a go at the government who wouldn't have to do it if people weren't so stupid 🤷

So if u choose to ignore that there has plenty of talk in the media about cases increasing in those areas and potential lockdown coming before lockdown announced then yeah your a bit silly for suddenly being shocked and upset..

Loving the repeated "there's a pandemic" as though there is a single soul left on the planet that might have missed that.

Is it a new Government communication plan to use Twitter as it's pandemic information centre? If it is, the plan is flawed given the number of persons that do not have access or accounts.

Surely this is why we have a publicly funded TV and radio broadcaster to enable a Government to communicate the type of change that impacts 4.5 million people in a way that informs, prepared and supports changes.

The problem with that of course is you need to face a camera or microphone and use more than 12 words, and this particular change feels like it was sent on Twitter by Dominic, Matt or whoever as the last thing they did before going to bed on Wednesday.