To leave Greater Manchester Lockdown to stay in self contained accommodation in another area.

[Bishybarnybee]

Rising numbers of cases in Greater Manchester and new restrictions - no mingling of households.

Holiday booked for Saturday - self contained accommodation in another part of England.

We've been meticulous about masks, handwashing etc.

Are we unreasonable to still go?

The big question is - are you still going to be sensible while you are away? Arranged a delivery for your food or taking stuff with you/ eating takeaways and not planning to visit anywhere indoors - go ahead, the place will be cleaned after your stay and anyway the virus doesnt live long on soft materials. If you show any symptoms while there then wipe down any metal or plastic surfaces with a virus busting spray and go home.

If you are going into local shops/ pubs/ restaurants without a mask then stay home.

IT'S NOT A LOCKDOWN!

It's been put in place due to Eid, as people would normally be gathering in each others' houses. So the rule is that you can't have guests in your home, if your home is in those areas.

There is no rule against leaving the area. No-one is saying you have to stay home! Go on holiday!

There is nothing in the new restrictions, as far as I can see, to say you can't travel out of the area Bishybarnybee, whether you feel comfortable to go on your holiday is another matter though.

Go on holiday. There has been nothing to say you can’t.

It is quite clearly aimed at keeping Muslim households separate for Eid.

What part of the new rules is preventing you from going? Were you going with another household?
I think we should all follow the rules and I have been throughout the lockdown, but the actual government rules - not made up rubbish spouted by the covid police on here.

There is a possibility that you or other household members may inadvertently be asymptomatic and potential super spreaders unless you all have been very recently confirmed negative tested (and preferably twice).

It is entirely your choice as long as it is within the rules. However even if your actions happens to fall within the black letter law - is it within the spirit and purpose of the action imposed?

I genuinely believe this is essentially how the whole thing spread and became a global pandemic.

You have a difficult predicament so good luck and if possible maybe ensure an alternative delayed option or plan B.

The situation there must be pretty serious for these measures to be implemented. I understand large crowds following recent sporting celebratory events may one of many other factors contributing to the rapid spread possibly?

Here is the latest FYI:

www.independent.co.uk/news/health/coronavirus-uk-update-live-stats-second-wave-cases-boris-johnson-covid-19-a9645011.html

@LakieLady

*It’s ok and meet someone at a pub that’s full But you can’t go to sisters house*

This is just mad. I had rewind the news to make sure I'd heard it right, I couldn't believe my ears.

How can it be safe to go to a pub, where there are loads of other people, if it's not safe to visit another person in their home or garden?

Ffs, it's so inconsistent, illogical and idiotic.

The pubs near me are outside seating and spaced out pre booked tables indoors. They have one way systems for social distancing and waitress service or strict queuing system. One is all disposable glasses now.

Someone’s sisters house will have people squashed on sofas, cups of tea and multiple hands touching everything. Much less inclined to anti bac everything, every hour if it’s your family round than a pub full of strangers.

It seems obvious that if the invention is to prevent people from leaving lockdown areas, there'll be at least some mention of it in the rules.

This is all about Eid anyway
Cynical side of me agrees with you. Oldham were already told not to visit friends or family, police are attending Rusholme allegedly and mosques are having staggered prayer times. Many events have been cancelled so maybe they are trying to avoid gatherings elsewhere.
Eid-al-Fitr in lockdown did not cause issues afaik so perhaps they are trying to replicate that. Unfair to families who are being told this at the last minute though? Good weather expected tomorrow but not at the weekend (Mubarak's Sat to Sun, right?) means socially distanced family picnics outdoors might be difficult to do.

@alreadytaken why shouldn’t they visit anywhere indoors when they go away? Pubs, shops and restaurants will still be open across greater Manchester. As far as the rules are concerned they are no different than anyone else in the country on this aspect.

I am playing devils advocate on this one - I have barely left the house since March as I’m pregnant and don’t intend to anytime soon. But it does seem unfair that it’s been applied to whole of Greater Manchester with barely any thought about how it’s implemented.

I expect the hospital had forewarning and this is why my husband wasn’t allowed at our scan this week even though down the road in Cheshire partners are now allowed in.

@CalmYoBadSelf

I'm appalled at some of the answers, very much in a "rules don't apply to me" mould. This thinking is one of the reasons the UK has far greater virus spread than other countries

I think this is not the case. Late lockdown, lack of testing, no track and trace,lack of PPE, confused messaging from the Gov, Dominic Cummings trip to Durham seemed to compound it all in the end!

Why would you base your decisions on mumsnet? So strange. You could at least base it on government guidance - it's fine - or on a general concept of travel during a pandemic - not fine. But why base it on the opinions of randomers online?

It's not a legally binding referendum! Why does anybody put anything on AIBU? Because I found out about the local lockdown at 10pm tonight, I'm trying to work out what I think, and actually, the views of people living outside the lockdown area are of interest to me.

I'm pretty sure there hasn't been any guidance saying we can't travel. There's a lot of local anger that we can still go in pubs but not meet one other household - it's not consistent.

But I'm trying to work out what the right thing to do is. As with any other AIBU poll, I'll get a mixture of some random ignorance, some patronizing put downs and some thoughtful ideas I haven't thought of. Thank you for your own unique contribution to that.

@FaiIWorseAgain

This is all about Eid anyway Cynical side of me agrees with you. Oldham were already told not to visit friends or family, police are attending Rusholme allegedly and mosques are having staggered prayer times. Many events have been cancelled so maybe they are trying to avoid gatherings elsewhere. Eid-al-Fitr in lockdown did not cause issues afaik so perhaps they are trying to replicate that. Unfair to families who are being told this at the last minute though? Good weather expected tomorrow but not at the weekend (Mubarak's Sat to Sun, right?) means socially distanced family picnics outdoors might be difficult to do.

Yes, I can't see a similar action being taken on Christmas Eve. It would be widely ignored if it were.

We are supposed to go to a friends house tomorrow, if we stay in their garden will that be ok? We are in the affected area.

Our friend has all her family from the south staying with her at the moment, will this mean they have to go home?

It’s all very sudden.

Single person bubbles also not affected. Still allowed to mix with other households. That seems to tie in with the narrative that it's Eid driven.

Totally fine to go. I live very near these areas and if we too get this restriction soon then I will still go on my planned break self catering.
I've stuck to all the rules so far and the issue is spreading virus within close knit family groups.
So go and don't feel guilty at all.

Our friend has all her family from the south staying with her at the moment, will this mean they have to go home?

Yes. In 50 mins time

In Llandudno today so many visitors many from Manchester enjoying the sea air, the pier and generally the town. You go and enjoy yourselves @Bishybarnybee

Well since most of Bradford will be celebrating Eid tomorrow I feel it's rather selfish of the government to put restrictions on households mixing the night before!

Why are people jumping on OP about going on holiday, the rules are don’t mix with one another in houses no mention of what people can do holiday/travel wise. If the government doesn’t want people to go away then that should be what they say!Also People are so quick to judge others but no question the governments approach to all this, certain areas of the north west are rife and people aren’t following the rules but rather than tackle that and be unpopular the whole area is given these rules 🤷🏻‍♀️

*Single person bubbles also not affected. Still allowed to mix with other households. That seems to tie in with the narrative that it's Eid driven.
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I haven't seen anywhere that says bubbles aren't affected.

No don't go. They can't give rules for every single scenario. In this case, you should be staying put. Avoid journeys, petrol stations, and then of course mingling about the other town you're going to.

Bloody tempting I know. But don't

@2littlledarlings

Why are people jumping on OP about going on holiday, the rules are don’t mix with one another in houses no mention of what people can do holiday/travel wise. If the government doesn’t want people to go away then that should be what they say!Also People are so quick to judge others but no question the governments approach to all this, certain areas of the north west are rife and people aren’t following the rules but rather than tackle that and be unpopular the whole area is given these rules 🤷🏻‍♀️

Because they decided sticking the boot in was more important than knowing what they were talking about.

@kittenpeak

No don't go. They can't give rules for every single scenario. In this case, you should be staying put. Avoid journeys, petrol stations, and then of course mingling about the other town you're going to.

Bloody tempting I know. But don't

Why should she be staying put?

If it’s just your household, you’re good to go. If you’re going with others it will have to be called off.