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Sabine123 · 30/07/2020 23:16

Go on your holiday and have a great time !

Codexdivinchi · 30/07/2020 23:19

My friends son (18) caught COVID and his friends from going to the packed pubs in Urmston in Manchester. There was a group of them so there has been an out break. Flu like symptoms but it’s passed. Obviously they are young lads and it’s more dangerous for older people but it really isn’t the plague. If we still wear masks and wash our hands we will be ok.

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Bishybarnybee · 30/07/2020 23:21

"Lisa Nandy...said she was told from a minister that people can still travel to work, and that people can go on holiday outside of their local area, but not with another household."

We will mull it over overnight, see if there is further guidance tomorrow then contact the owners in the morning. At the moment it seems as if it is legal to go but I'm not sure it's moral....

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Winniewonka · 30/07/2020 23:22

I live in Greater Manchester, why are people saying you can still visit bars and restaurants? That's not what I heard on the news!

labyrinthloafer · 30/07/2020 23:22

@Codexdivinchi

My friends son (18) caught COVID and his friends from going to the packed pubs in Urmston in Manchester. There was a group of them so there has been an out break. Flu like symptoms but it’s passed. Obviously they are young lads and it’s more dangerous for older people but it really isn’t the plague. If we still wear masks and wash our hands we will be ok.

Argh, please don't assume it is the same for everyone. Look at the overall picture, at the facts.

Alltneteabagshavegone · 30/07/2020 23:23

@Bishybarnybee

"Lisa Nandy...said she was told from a minister that people can still travel to work, and that people can go on holiday outside of their local area, but not with another household."

We will mull it over overnight, see if there is further guidance tomorrow then contact the owners in the morning. At the moment it seems as if it is legal to go but I'm not sure it's moral....

Well y’know, if those morals are saying ‘stay at home’ then you must

AccountAntsy · 30/07/2020 23:24

If it’s only your own household it’s perfectly within the rules, and assuming no one in the household has any symptoms or has as far as they know come into contact with anyone who has, then I’d still go.

Codexdivinchi · 30/07/2020 23:25

labyrinthloafer what facts?

Rosieposy4 · 30/07/2020 23:27

OP, please go and enjoy your break. You are not breaking any of the new random rules

ResIpsaLoquiturInterAlia · 30/07/2020 23:27

I like to add that you original poster by asking here is a reflection of your concern and conscience. In a few posts at face value you appear to be the sensible rule following type and not one to be needlessly selfish but more civic duty minded.

The Mums Net self declared Covid Police have already jumped on this! So on balance if you are a cautious and caring type (and not reckless and selfish unlike those for which these special measures were necessary and intended to address) I would possibly go. I am assuming there are no vulnerable people in your household nor at your destination. .

It does appear that the rules may well concern a particular demographic as numerous posters with local knowledge have suggested. If you are not related to that then you are probably safe to do as you wish according to and in keeping with the laws and all obligations imposed.

Do note these special rules can and may change at pace if the intended control measures fail to limit the spread. Another factor to take into consideration possibly.

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Bishybarnybee · 30/07/2020 23:27

My friends son (18) caught COVID and his friends from going to the packed pubs in Urmston in Manchester. There was a group of them so there has been an out break. Flu like symptoms but it’s passed. Obviously they are young lads and it’s more dangerous for older people but it really isn’t the plague. If we still wear masks and wash our hands we will be ok

We're not 18 though. But the real issue isn't whether we get it, it's whether we take it somewhere else and give it to others. And actually, your friend's son is exactly the reason we have a local lockdown. So it doesn't prove that we should go - if anything, it's the opposite.

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Bishybarnybee · 30/07/2020 23:29

Well y’know, if those morals are saying ‘stay at home’ then you must

Do you not base your behaviour on your morals?

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Iamtooknackeredtorun · 30/07/2020 23:29

I live in Greater Manchester, why are people saying you can still visit bars and restaurants? That's not what I heard on the news!

Because you can. You just can't meet up there with other households.

chopc · 30/07/2020 23:30

There is a difference between two households meeting up indoors and going to the pub with just members of your household. You can socially distance with strangers but unlikely to do this with close friends / family inside your house

cardibach · 30/07/2020 23:30

Do all the posters saying. It’s all about Eid not think there are significant Muslim populations anywhere else in the country? If it was about that a) there would be more local regulations; and b) they’d have out it in place sooner than 10pm the night before!
However, it isn’t a lockdown and if the OP is only travelling with her own household I don’t see the problem with them going.

Codexdivinchi · 30/07/2020 23:31

@Bishybarnybee

My friends son (18) caught COVID and his friends from going to the packed pubs in Urmston in Manchester. There was a group of them so there has been an out break. Flu like symptoms but it’s passed. Obviously they are young lads and it’s more dangerous for older people but it really isn’t the plague. If we still wear masks and wash our hands we will be ok

We're not 18 though. But the real issue isn't whether we get it, it's whether we take it somewhere else and give it to others. And actually, your friend's son is exactly the reason we have a local lockdown. So it doesn't prove that we should go - if anything, it's the opposite.

Stay at home then

We can not stay locked up forever. Sorry it’s not possible. This virus is going to be here a while. There will always be mini outbreaks. Your best of staying in. Cancel

Iamtooknackeredtorun · 30/07/2020 23:32

I haven't seen anywhere that says bubbles aren't affected.

To leave Greater Manchester Lockdown to stay in self contained accommodation in another area.

saraclara · 30/07/2020 23:32

@Bishybarnybee

"Lisa Nandy...said she was told from a minister that people can still travel to work, and that people can go on holiday outside of their local area, but not with another household."

We will mull it over overnight, see if there is further guidance tomorrow then contact the owners in the morning. At the moment it seems as if it is legal to go but I'm not sure it's moral....

It's fine to go. If the rule says you can, then you can.

This particular ruling is very clearly Eid based. The govt has panicked (they should have given much more notice, in fairness to those communities) about the gatherings of families during Eid. The tradition is that everyone visits every household at Eid. So any one household will hevae many others - family, friends, neighbours, visiting them throughout the day. That's the fundamental part of Eid. The visiting and the giving of hospitality.

Given that there are spikes in those same areas that celebrate Eid, this probably had to be done. But it's not about your risk, OP. If you are allowed to go away, which you almost certainly are, there is no moral obligation on your part not to. This is a preventative measure about spread within a particular community.

Doggybiccys · 30/07/2020 23:32

@Jaxhog

I'm appalled at some of the answers, very much in a "rules don't apply to me" mould. This thinking is one of the reasons the UK has far greater virus spread than other countries

Quite. It's not fair on those of us who are vulnerable and STILL can't risk going out even, never mind have a holiday, because others are ignoring the rules.

Genuine question @Jaxhog - if you are still not going out, what difference does it make to you if others travel within the rules/guidance?

saraclara · 30/07/2020 23:36

@cardibach

Do all the posters saying. It’s all about Eid not think there are significant Muslim populations anywhere else in the country? If it was about that a) there would be more local regulations; and b) they’d have out it in place sooner than 10pm the night before! However, it isn’t a lockdown and if the OP is only travelling with her own household I don’t see the problem with them going.

There are, and I worked in, and live near, one of the countries largest Muslim populations. But so far Covid has been kept under control in that town. We haven't had the spike that the northern Muslim areas have. In fact the numbers are decreasing week on week. So presumably there wasn't the need to clamp down in the same way.

We are a bit unnerved that we might yet have a spike after Eid though.

cardibach · 30/07/2020 23:42

I know there are @saraclara
I’m not sure it’s a given that the spike in the north is driven by Muslim communities from what I’ve seen either. It’s nothing to do with Eid. I’m not sure what it is to do with - Johnson making it up as he goes along again maybe? Or Manchester airport then he can blame mainland Europe which is obviously the strategy he’s chosen to go with.

HeIenaDove · 30/07/2020 23:46

The restrictions are SO about Eid but i absolutely DO think they would do the same at 10pm on Christmas Eve, AFTER money would have already been spent on presents, food etc.

People will have already spent money on ingredients and spent all tonight cooking.................THATS why the announcement is late. After the money has been spent and is in the economy...........they dont give a shit whether its Eid or Christmas!!

Nicedayforawedding · 30/07/2020 23:50

Oh bugger. Just read that we can’t even meet up in our friend’s garden. Seems to be a dwelling thing.

GilderoyLockdown · 30/07/2020 23:52

They'd lose a fuck of a lot more votes trying to stop people having family Christmases with 12 hours notice.

FaiIWorseAgain · 30/07/2020 23:53

Yes, I can't see a similar action being taken on Christmas Eve. It would be widely ignored if it were
Indeed - it's the equivalent of an announcement on Xmas Eve at 10pm.
Families with shared turkeys will say stuff that.
(not me, I hate Xmas but I am in the minority).
I got my Eid-al-fitr and Eid-al-adha mixed up - the latter is from this evening to Monday so in theory, families could use warm weather tomorrow for a feast in the park instead but of visiting homes but rain is predicted at the weekend.
Many of the Gtr Manchester authorities with already higher covid numbers would have been celebrating - the blanket ban is to avoid accusations of islamophobia. It will be interesting to see whether Christmas also gets cancelled.