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AIBU - out last night until 2am

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Ostracod · 25/07/2020 22:40

After 8 years of being at home baby rearing (DS8, DS5) I'm finally feeling like I want to cultivate a social life again. Nothing flash, just visiting friends in their homes, attending hobby workshops and events and going to pubs when they're open again properly. My husband of 12 years recently gave up his career as a musician so we can start a business together. He is at the opposite end of the sociability spectrum as he says he has worked in pubs 3 nights a week for 20 years and wants to have some time at home relaxing.

My idea of a good time is sitting having a really in depth chat with a few friends and maybe watching live music or having dinner together. I have started to do this maybe one or two nights a month as well as dog walks with friends etc during the week, totalling maybe 6 things a month without him. We work, live and parent together 24/7 other than that. We also see family and mutual friends together a couple of times a week, usually at our house.

However, my husband seems to be putting up increasing barriers to me doing this. I make dinner before I go and clear up, so all he has to do is put the kids to bed, enjoy his solo evening and go to bed. He has asked me to stay until the kids are in bed before but I firmly said no to that. He's now said he worries if I'm out late and can't sleep, to which I said I would text the address of where I am if it's a friends house, and would send a message if I'm going to be later than midnight. Because me and my friends are the sort who chat a lot, sometimes if the wine is flowing it gets pretty late, like 2.30am. I always text when I'm leaving. He has now said he would prefer if I chose to be considerate with the time I come home, as after midnight disrupts his sleep. He insisted it wasn't a curfew but said it's ignorant to wake someone up in the night.

Last night, I visited an old friend of more than a decade in her home. The wine flowed, the chats continued until 1am. I sent a message home saying I'd probably be another hour, his phone was off. I wasn't drunk, we shared 1 bottle between us all evening.

Upon my return home, our dog barked once. Otherwise I was really quiet and got ready outside the bedroom. He was sitting up in bed, furious, saying I'd woken him up. It was 2.15am on a Saturday morning, neither of us had anything to do this weekend. I apologised and got straight into bed. He continued to berate me, saying it was really fucking selfish of me to ruin his sleep and go against what he asked of me. It got to 4am and he was still furious, he shook me awake and called me a selfish cunt for waking him, and that going out late is a sign of a midlife crisis. He dragged the covers off me and told me to fuck off downstairs. I didn't budge and just lay there. This happened twice more until 5am when he finally passed out. The kids came in at 7 and I took them downstairs, made breakfast and kept them entertained until 11.30 when he surfaced. I made him a cup of tea and he made lunch for himself and the kids before announcing he was going out. I asked if he wanted dinner later and he said "I'll say yes then swan in at 4am", then walked out. He took the car and is still out, no message or anything. So there you have it. Extremely detailed as I don't want to skip any relevant facts. Am I selfish and entitled or is that controlling behaviour from him?

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Lindtballsrock · 26/07/2020 02:04

He sounds like an absolute loon

SingingSands · 26/07/2020 02:10

Crikey, that is some top level tantrum he threw!

I got home at 2am after a night with my girlfriends last week. DH opened one eye, mumbled "did you have a nice night?" and fell back asleep.

I'm really upset for you that your DH could not even speak in a civil manner towards you. As for obviously waiting up, stoking the fires of his own indignance - what a monumental waste of his own time and energy!

You are not his property. You are not there to make his life easier. You are equal partners and you do not need permission to meet your friends. You do not have to complete tasks before leaving the house. Meeting your friends is not to be seen as a "reward".

I don't know that to say, I hope you can talk to him and let him know he is wrong and that you are not going to be controlled like this, but I fear that he is not going to listen or accept your position as his equal. I'm sorry OP.

rainbowninja · 26/07/2020 03:03

You have my sympathy, he reacted completely unreasonably and I would feel gutted if my husband treated me this way. Sounds like he is the one having the midlife crisis?

Coyoacan · 26/07/2020 03:09

It's coercive control. Getting you to the point that going out isn't worth the hassle you get at home so you stop and stay home like the good little wife you should be (in his mind)

I remember that oh so well. And as someone else said, if you did just stay at home and never go out he'd been moaning about how boring you are.

If you stay with him I fear you will eventually just stay in. You'd want to be certain that the evening out was going to be absolutely brilliant when you know how high a price you have to pay for it every time.

TheSandgroper · 26/07/2020 03:47

Whose idea was it to give up work and start a business so you can be together 24 hours a day?

Covid aside, is this a good idea? How much autonomy will you have and decision making power?

Turtletotem · 26/07/2020 06:11

What time did he get home? I have vision of him sitting in his car for hours just to prove a point and come home late! Sad git!
You keep enjoying yourself and either he gets over his small boy tantrums or he doesn't.

RonObvious · 26/07/2020 06:36

My ex used to be a bit like this. Every time I went to meet friends, he would text and ask when I would be back. I found myself never accepting any invitations without checking with him first. In the end it became easier just to turn them down. I didn’t realise what was happening until after we broke up though - he was always so lovely about it all. Just missed me and was lonely without me. And of course, the times when he would blank me for days at a time (even though we were living together) were probably my fault...

Tlollj · 26/07/2020 06:47

I expect he saw a lot of bad behaviour when he was a musician out three nights a week, now he’s projecting on to you.
I don’t think you should stop going out and socialising with your friends, but I wouldn’t be impressed with being woken up at 2am when you came in.
Not that that excuses his reaction.

Pobblebonk · 26/07/2020 06:56

You need a serious conversation with him which includes the fact that sulking sets an incredibly bad example to your children, as well as being a complete turn-off.

Pumpertrumper · 26/07/2020 06:57

I’m not saying it’s right, but I will say I’ve seen SOO many posts from women in your DH’s shoes. When it’s the man who ‘wants a life’ and the woman who is being left at home with the kids 6 times a month whilst he comes home in the early hours...well he’s called a lot of names and she’s told she is NBU!!! God forbid his hobby be either golf or cycling!

I do think annoying as it is, this is one of those threads where it would go very differently it genders were reversed!

Pumpertrumper · 26/07/2020 07:01

In fact OP, why not name change and re post this in a few days as a reverse. It’s annoying but you’ll see what I mean!

‘My DH is going out 6 times a month to do his own stuff and leaving me home with the kids till 2am. Last night I snapped and called him a C*’

MN- YANBU!!! I don’t like that word but he’s being very selfish!

BluebellForest836 · 26/07/2020 07:11

Seems to me that he knew what went on with him on those nights he was out late and is now scared you might be up to the same thing? Question was is that because he saw others having affairs etc, or could he have been up to no good himself before and thinks you might too?

I was thinking the exact thing

Peach1204 · 26/07/2020 07:14

He preferred you the old way?

Of course he did! He knew where you were and that you weren't with anyone. You were at home doing everything and he got to live like he didn't have responsibilities at home. I think you have a good balance of home life and going out, you need to go out for your own sanity.

Pobblebonk · 26/07/2020 07:18

When it’s the man who ‘wants a life’ and the woman who is being left at home with the kids 6 times a month whilst he comes home in the early hours...well he’s called a lot of names and she’s told she is NBU!

OP isn't coming home six times a month in the early hours. It's two times at most. She gets to go out on her own six times a month, the other four times being things like having dog walks with friends. If a woman on here grumbled about that, she'd be told she was being ridiculous.

Russellbrandshair · 26/07/2020 07:22

Oh. He was. I’ve never liked the c word. In fact I divorce my husband if he ever called me that

This. If my h ever called me that it would be over. The disrespect and hatred in that word sickens me and it baffles me why anyone treats this so casually or forgets about it an hour later. So the person you love most in the world can call you a misogynistic offensive hate filled expletive and then a few hours later it’s all fine? No. There are intentions behind words and for me, I’d be out the door.

Newjez · 26/07/2020 07:22

He probably thinks you are having an affair. If not now, then in the near future. You're either married or your single. I don't understand this get married, have a couple of kids, then go back to the single life. Once in a while obviously. Work dos and such often don't allow a partner. But if we go out, my partner and I generally go together. Isn't that what a marriage is?

MrsAJ27 · 26/07/2020 07:28

@Newjez How has OP gone back to single life? She is socialising with her friends.
Just because you are married does not mean you should spend all your free time together Hmm

cravingthelook · 26/07/2020 07:29

Stop making him tea and tiptoeing round him. He's wrong. He will never admit it.

For context the ExH (who tells the world he is devastated that I left) had a tantrum 4 days ago because I dared to refer to the amazing woman who is my best friend and rock as the love of my life. He's now being a cock about custody schedules as my punishment.

Eddielzzard · 26/07/2020 07:31

He's a hypocrite.

But I have to say I understand the sleep issue. I'm a light sleeper and if woken, takes hours to get back to sleep. So if you could sleep somewhere else, that might be something to try.

He doesn't get to dictate your social life, at the same time you could be considerate and make sure he's not woken. If the dog barked that would wake me.

MorvaanReed · 26/07/2020 07:34

@Newjez

He probably thinks you are having an affair. If not now, then in the near future. You're either married or your single. I don't understand this get married, have a couple of kids, then go back to the single life. Once in a while obviously. Work dos and such often don't allow a partner. But if we go out, my partner and I generally go together. Isn't that what a marriage is?
It's the way your marriage is, if you are both totally happy with it then good for you. No one should be bullied into a marriage they don't want.
DitchinVirgin · 26/07/2020 07:34

Thank god ive been single six years. Why do you women allow anyone to talk to you like you’re scum.

This.

Weetabixandcrumpets · 26/07/2020 07:38

There is some worrying minimising of his behaviour here.

The OP goes out (pre -arranged) once or twice a month and comes home after midnight. (Even with kids, I personally have been known to stay up after midnight as I am 46 and don't have a set bedtime !).

She didn't come in singing bawdy naval songs and dropping pieces of kebab on his face. She came in very quietly and the dog barked once. If this is enough for his sleep to be irreparably disturbed, then god knows how he copes with small children and life.

He then spend several hours berating her, calling her a c, pulling off the covers and telling her to f off downstairs. This wasn't a general 10 minute grumpy tired moan.

And wth? He thinks you are having an affair because you go out with friends and married couples should only go out together!! Of course you should spend lots of lovely time together, but it is unhealthy to never be apart. Have you heard about loving relationships and trust? Hmm

He should get down on his knees and apologise the hell out of his sorry arse.

Jubaju · 26/07/2020 07:40

Bin him off
Or sleep in a spare room so you don’t wake him

But If anyone woke me up like that and called me a c* I would be walking out.

Thinkingg · 26/07/2020 07:43

He is abusive and controlling :(

I might be a bit irritated if my partner stayed out till the early hours and I got woken up. But his reaction is vile and unacceptable. And it's clearly part of a wider pattern that is starting to isolate you. You need to confide in supportive friends and work out how to split.

HowLongCanICallitBabyWeight · 26/07/2020 07:44

Having worked in a live music venue when I was young, I wonder exactly what he was getting up to when he was out late three nights a week, IME the older/middle aged musicians were a lot worse when it came to running around after women who weren't their wives. Perhaps he thinks that's what you're up to now because that's what he did. He's being a complete dick. YABU however to make the dog bark, I'd be annoyed if DH camber in in the early hours and woke me up. The easy solution is to sleep in the spare room/sofa if you're going to be late, but I doubt that will solve his 'issue' as he seems to have a multitude of poor excuses as to why you should stay at home and run around after him.
Whose idea was it that you should also work together? Seems like he doesn't like you to be out of his reach