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AIBU - out last night until 2am

305 replies

Ostracod · 25/07/2020 22:40

After 8 years of being at home baby rearing (DS8, DS5) I'm finally feeling like I want to cultivate a social life again. Nothing flash, just visiting friends in their homes, attending hobby workshops and events and going to pubs when they're open again properly. My husband of 12 years recently gave up his career as a musician so we can start a business together. He is at the opposite end of the sociability spectrum as he says he has worked in pubs 3 nights a week for 20 years and wants to have some time at home relaxing.

My idea of a good time is sitting having a really in depth chat with a few friends and maybe watching live music or having dinner together. I have started to do this maybe one or two nights a month as well as dog walks with friends etc during the week, totalling maybe 6 things a month without him. We work, live and parent together 24/7 other than that. We also see family and mutual friends together a couple of times a week, usually at our house.

However, my husband seems to be putting up increasing barriers to me doing this. I make dinner before I go and clear up, so all he has to do is put the kids to bed, enjoy his solo evening and go to bed. He has asked me to stay until the kids are in bed before but I firmly said no to that. He's now said he worries if I'm out late and can't sleep, to which I said I would text the address of where I am if it's a friends house, and would send a message if I'm going to be later than midnight. Because me and my friends are the sort who chat a lot, sometimes if the wine is flowing it gets pretty late, like 2.30am. I always text when I'm leaving. He has now said he would prefer if I chose to be considerate with the time I come home, as after midnight disrupts his sleep. He insisted it wasn't a curfew but said it's ignorant to wake someone up in the night.

Last night, I visited an old friend of more than a decade in her home. The wine flowed, the chats continued until 1am. I sent a message home saying I'd probably be another hour, his phone was off. I wasn't drunk, we shared 1 bottle between us all evening.

Upon my return home, our dog barked once. Otherwise I was really quiet and got ready outside the bedroom. He was sitting up in bed, furious, saying I'd woken him up. It was 2.15am on a Saturday morning, neither of us had anything to do this weekend. I apologised and got straight into bed. He continued to berate me, saying it was really fucking selfish of me to ruin his sleep and go against what he asked of me. It got to 4am and he was still furious, he shook me awake and called me a selfish cunt for waking him, and that going out late is a sign of a midlife crisis. He dragged the covers off me and told me to fuck off downstairs. I didn't budge and just lay there. This happened twice more until 5am when he finally passed out. The kids came in at 7 and I took them downstairs, made breakfast and kept them entertained until 11.30 when he surfaced. I made him a cup of tea and he made lunch for himself and the kids before announcing he was going out. I asked if he wanted dinner later and he said "I'll say yes then swan in at 4am", then walked out. He took the car and is still out, no message or anything. So there you have it. Extremely detailed as I don't want to skip any relevant facts. Am I selfish and entitled or is that controlling behaviour from him?

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Merryoldgoat · 25/07/2020 23:05

@Ostracod

This is making me cry, I know this isn't ok. He's mostly really kind and thoughtful, but me going out with friends makes him uncomfortable and it's so difficult to align the stars and ensure I do it all right I often cancel or refuse invitations now
Why does it make him uncomfortable?
katy1213 · 25/07/2020 23:07

That's a curfew. Who does he think he is? I'd be moving into a separate room for starters. Or could you stay overnight with your friends?

Commentutappelles · 25/07/2020 23:07

He sounds like a knob. I hope you had a lovely evening and plan another soon.

Ostracod · 25/07/2020 23:09

I only go out in the evening once or twice per month, the rest are daytime things

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WhenISnappedAndFarted · 25/07/2020 23:10

My DP has woken me up plenty of times (we've not got kids so doesn't really matter) even as early as 5am. Never have I ever reacted like that and I wouldn't ever. In fact I always make sure he's okay and got a glass of water then we go to sleep.

His behaviour is not ok at all and it's abusive. You deserve so much better.

DonLewis · 25/07/2020 23:11

Ah, so his behaviour is working. You refuse invites. He's being controlling. And selfish and immature.

If my husband did any of the things that happened once you'd got home, he'd be the one sleeping elsewhere. If he tried to do it regularly, he'd be sleeping elsewhere permanently.

This isn't ok. Flowers

katy1213 · 25/07/2020 23:12

And you shouldn't have to 'align the stars' to go out a couple of times a month. Don't stand for any more of his nonsense and nastiness. Tell him straight out that if this continues, you will be having a midlife crisis - only he won't be around to see it.

MobLife · 25/07/2020 23:15

Waking someone up in the middle of the night to have a go at them is absolutely classic textbook domestic abuse behaviour.

OP I would imagine this is not the first time you've felt controlled or belittled by him. What do you want to do next?

Ostracod · 25/07/2020 23:16

@Alexa1990 I know it is, deep down. The thought of separating the house and business we co own and time sharing the kids makes me feel lightheaded right now

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SenselessUbiquity · 25/07/2020 23:21

He was so furious for so many hours that this shows that this goes very deep. he has profound, unmanageable resentment against you, not just about "waking him up" but about you going out in the first place. He knows it is unacceptable to say that so he is picking on the one sort of legit grievance and lashing himself into a fury about it.

You could arrange to sleep downstairs if you come home after 12 in future, but it won't make any difference. He'll shift the rage to some other pretext

wewillmeetagain · 25/07/2020 23:21

While I have to agree it used to really annoy me when my ex went out drinking because I could never sleep properly knowing he would roll in pissed at god knows what time and wake me up! I don't agree with your dh disgusting behaviour, there is absolutely no excuse for him to act like that!

QualityFeet · 25/07/2020 23:21

It’s really unpleasant behaviour. He will frame it as you placing a few nights with friends over your family but it really isn’t that. He is controlling and bullying - that behaviour is scary. How upsetting:(

KittyHawke80 · 25/07/2020 23:23

He's a turd. Completely. For calling you a selfish cunt; for pulling the covers off. I probably would've slept elsewhere when I came in at gone two, though. Downstairs, or in with the kids. Which is not to negate his vileness.

Ostracod · 25/07/2020 23:25

@SenselessUbiquity you're totally right, if it's not being late its giving someone a lift home in country lanes as he is worried about me driving or he doesn't know them, or drinking too much or not having done enough work or tidying before I went and leaving the place in disarray

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tobedtoMNandfart · 25/07/2020 23:26

Strange this was never an issue when you sat at home alone while he was out & about 3 nights a week...?!

Fortheloveofgodwhy · 25/07/2020 23:29

If it happened once or twice (non consecutive) then I think we all have nights when we are just tired and grumpy and arsed, hormonal and shit. But if this is his standard reaction to you going out you need to address it before you go out. My DH travelled a lot (in the older days) and I would leave his duvet out or he would chose to sleep on the sofa if he had an early start or a 3 am arrival time because I don’t sleep well and I was/am in charge of schools runs etc. But we made a the decision to do that. Together. Not throwing tantrums or shouting about it everytime. But I admit there was probably one or two times he woke me and I was less than happy and often would get up if 4/5am as I was unable to get back to sleep. But this sounds like he is vindictive in his response ?

Ostracod · 25/07/2020 23:29

@tobedtoMNandfart he used to stay late quite often, sometimes getting in at 4am. I would worry if he had said he would be back early but he hardly ever replied to messages and only had vague explanations, once I knew he wasn't dead I didn't need explanations though, and just went back to sleep

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tobedtoMNandfart · 25/07/2020 23:31

Yep total hypocrite. His behaviour has been appalling. You need to stand your ground on this.

Ostracod · 25/07/2020 23:31

I think I could definitely sleep somewhere else if I come in late though

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Couchbettato · 25/07/2020 23:32

This is abuse. I repeat, this is abuse.

He's had his fill of having someone looking after him and the kids and can't bear the thought that you might actually want to do things for yourself now lest it interrupt your subservience.

You should leave, but in the meantime stop offering him peace offerings when you've done nothing wrong. Don't offer a drink or food, or try to continue life as usual. Just get you and your kids dealt with, make a plan, and get out of there.

GenevaL · 25/07/2020 23:32

Would you feel able to show him this thread? He might benefit from a reality check because the consensus is that his behaviour is controlling and appalling. Hope you’re ok.

tobedtoMNandfart · 25/07/2020 23:33

He could sleep somewhere else ... at a new address.

YgritteSnow · 25/07/2020 23:34

If you're going to stay with him and I don't think you should but I do get that it's not that easy, you need to stop pandering to him. No cups of tea, no cooking, nothing. The only response he'd get from me is "how dare you speak to me like that?" And tell him you're seriously considering if you want to stay in a relationship with him. He's a controlling abuser and I am concerned he will move to more overt abuse if he doesn't get his way.

Lollypop4 · 25/07/2020 23:36

What an arsehole!

I would be inclined to go out more tbh!

Ostracod · 25/07/2020 23:36

@GenevaL I made the thread in order to get a reality check, and also to maybe show him. The strength of opinion makes me feel less like I'm having a midlife crisis and am totally selfish, but it would also make him dismiss it as a load of feminist bullshit I think

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