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AIBU - out last night until 2am

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Ostracod · 25/07/2020 22:40

After 8 years of being at home baby rearing (DS8, DS5) I'm finally feeling like I want to cultivate a social life again. Nothing flash, just visiting friends in their homes, attending hobby workshops and events and going to pubs when they're open again properly. My husband of 12 years recently gave up his career as a musician so we can start a business together. He is at the opposite end of the sociability spectrum as he says he has worked in pubs 3 nights a week for 20 years and wants to have some time at home relaxing.

My idea of a good time is sitting having a really in depth chat with a few friends and maybe watching live music or having dinner together. I have started to do this maybe one or two nights a month as well as dog walks with friends etc during the week, totalling maybe 6 things a month without him. We work, live and parent together 24/7 other than that. We also see family and mutual friends together a couple of times a week, usually at our house.

However, my husband seems to be putting up increasing barriers to me doing this. I make dinner before I go and clear up, so all he has to do is put the kids to bed, enjoy his solo evening and go to bed. He has asked me to stay until the kids are in bed before but I firmly said no to that. He's now said he worries if I'm out late and can't sleep, to which I said I would text the address of where I am if it's a friends house, and would send a message if I'm going to be later than midnight. Because me and my friends are the sort who chat a lot, sometimes if the wine is flowing it gets pretty late, like 2.30am. I always text when I'm leaving. He has now said he would prefer if I chose to be considerate with the time I come home, as after midnight disrupts his sleep. He insisted it wasn't a curfew but said it's ignorant to wake someone up in the night.

Last night, I visited an old friend of more than a decade in her home. The wine flowed, the chats continued until 1am. I sent a message home saying I'd probably be another hour, his phone was off. I wasn't drunk, we shared 1 bottle between us all evening.

Upon my return home, our dog barked once. Otherwise I was really quiet and got ready outside the bedroom. He was sitting up in bed, furious, saying I'd woken him up. It was 2.15am on a Saturday morning, neither of us had anything to do this weekend. I apologised and got straight into bed. He continued to berate me, saying it was really fucking selfish of me to ruin his sleep and go against what he asked of me. It got to 4am and he was still furious, he shook me awake and called me a selfish cunt for waking him, and that going out late is a sign of a midlife crisis. He dragged the covers off me and told me to fuck off downstairs. I didn't budge and just lay there. This happened twice more until 5am when he finally passed out. The kids came in at 7 and I took them downstairs, made breakfast and kept them entertained until 11.30 when he surfaced. I made him a cup of tea and he made lunch for himself and the kids before announcing he was going out. I asked if he wanted dinner later and he said "I'll say yes then swan in at 4am", then walked out. He took the car and is still out, no message or anything. So there you have it. Extremely detailed as I don't want to skip any relevant facts. Am I selfish and entitled or is that controlling behaviour from him?

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Ostracod · 25/07/2020 23:54

@Twofurrycatsagain the lockdown came at just the right time for him, I was starting to make new friends in a couple of hobbies I enjoy and going to more events, then lockdown happened so I was suddenly at home 24/7 again, then he asked if I was over my midlife crisis and could we go back to normal. He's admitted he preferred me the old way, looking after 2 small kids while he was out all the time, always there waiting for him. Argh!

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chatterbugmegastar · 25/07/2020 23:55

You could arrange to sleep downstairs if you come home after 12 in future, but it won't make any difference. He'll shift the rage to some other pretext

This

Getoutofbed25 · 25/07/2020 23:57

To give you some perspective I’m 47, last week I met friends in a back garden in a gazebo ( graduated into conservarory as the night got late) I got home at 3am, my husband was a little shocked I was so late, but tonight I heard him tell a friend that we’d deserved a girlie blow out as hadn’t seen anyone all lockdown, he was happy I’d had a good night, although very unusual I’d get home at that time. He realises I’ll do what I want when I want as long as it doesn’t impinge on family plans we are all happy.
I find you husbands reaction controlling

Dita73 · 25/07/2020 23:58

YANBU. He’s a complete arsehole and if my husband ever called me that he’d get my knee in his nuts. Kick him out

Getoutofbed25 · 26/07/2020 00:03

I don’t mean my comments lightheartedly, I’ve been in a controlling relationship and I feel you are in one now, make your plans and get out. Take your children and be safe. Behaviour like this escalates slowly but surely, you will be undermined and each incident will seem irrelevant until your in deep, get out now while you know and trust your judgement. Wishing you luck every step x

louderthan1 · 26/07/2020 00:07

Oh my. What a dick. That's all I can say really. Yanbu OP. If it was me I'd laugh in his face but I understand it's more complicated if you have kids.

GenevaL · 26/07/2020 00:07

You’re not having a mid-life crisis or suffering from feminist brainwashing or being selfish. You are simply very occasionally - and after much careful planning - leaving your own house to go out with friends.

He doesn’t like it because he resents having to put the children to bed on his own and / or you enjoying yourself without him. To make sure that you do this as little as possible, he makes it as difficult as he possibly can, creating all sorts of barriers and problems that really, as a pair of grown adults, simply do not exist. When you finally do go out, he causes the most enormously disproportionate row when you return, just to make sure that you get the message about how selfish you are, how displeased he is, how you can’t be trusted to have late nights, how much he has suffered lying awake and then hearing loud noises. This, he hopes, will make you think twice about going out again.

He’s crossed the line between being worried about you being out late and coming home alone (understandable - I worry a bit if my husband is coming back alone very late) and now is directly threatening you with consequences if it happens. You’ll have covers torn off, you’ll be sworn at, he’ll sulk and seethe for three hours instead of going back to sleep and then take it out on you by petulantly and repeatedly disturbing your sleep too. Nice.

Well, you’re an adult. You don’t need permission from your dad to go out any more and nor do you need punishment for breaking a curfew. He’s acting like an absolute child.

GabsAlot · 26/07/2020 00:11

ah he prefers you to stay in be the wlittle wife does he

hes an absuive sexist prick

Ostracod · 26/07/2020 00:12

thank you all so much, I feel much less alone now, knowing you're all typing supportive things Flowers

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IdblowJonSnow · 26/07/2020 00:19

Omg op. That is shocking. If my DH called me a cunt it would be over.
Worried my arse. Controlling more like.
My DH is a total pain when pissed. If I know hes on a bender I ask him to sleep downstairs so he doesn't wake me and then snore all night.
You've got every right to go out and it sounds like you're as considerate as possible. Try sleeping elsewhere if he doesn't want to be disturbed but I bet that wont do either.
Is he jealous?
He sounds really nasty. I'd tell him you're considering leaving and that if he ever does that again then that's it.
Or you could just LTB!

Nanny0gg · 26/07/2020 00:19

Do NOT show him this thread...

Sheenais · 26/07/2020 00:20

I can’t believe you haven’t really gone out in 8 years, that is not healthy. Could you stay at your friend’s house when you go out? Then you don’t run the risk of waking him, you could also get a lie in that way. Does not sound like someone as controlling as him would go for that though, but that is what I would do.

LagunaBubbles · 26/07/2020 00:23

so difficult to align the stars and ensure I do it all right I often cancel or refuse invitations

Which is what he wants.

PastMyBestBeforeDate · 26/07/2020 00:24

Please don't show him the thread. That would provoke more abuse. He won't meekly acknowledge he is wrong.

notacooldad · 26/07/2020 00:24

To give you an idea of the flip side of your trpwatty husbands behaviour I used to out our with my friends, even when our kids were babies and toddlers. Sometimes I would go for months without having a late night or going out and other times I. Might go out very late a couple of times in the month and have a good few drinks and get in at 2 ish.
I'd be as quiet as I could and I'd slide into bed. If I woke DH up he would say ' oh hi love, have you had a good catch up with the girls?' , give me a kiss and fall asleep again. He would bring me a brew next morning and let me have a lie in while he took the kids so I could have some peace.

Your husband is behaving like an abusive twat and the more you try to pacify him the more his nasty behaviour will escalate.
Don't let this happen, nip it in the bud now.

2pinkginsplease · 26/07/2020 00:29

So he like it when you were at home all the time and doesn’t like your new found freedom, but it’s ok for him to go out till the early hours , very hypocritical!

We all deserve a night out every now and again, I went to a friends last weekend , 1 st time I’ve seen her since we went into lockdown and shock horror, dh even picked me up at 1 am! No problems there because we all deserve a night off.

LimpidPools · 26/07/2020 00:35

@Nanny0gg

Do NOT show him this thread...
NannyOgg is right. As she often is.

He doesn't care about your opinion, why would he give a shit about a load of women [insert misogynist insult here] on the internet?

You keep mentioning the midlife crisis insult he's throwing at you OP. I don't want to give it more consideration than it's worth, but I think it's maybe hit home? Wanting to have friends and to socialise with them is normal, good and healthy. If you stayed at home as he's currently demanding, he'd just tell you you were boring instead. And I don't need to ask your age to tell you that you are not over the hill. I'm sorry he's trying to diminish you like that.

Regrettably, you are in a bad marriage. The behavioural problems are all his.

EKGEMS · 26/07/2020 00:39

I would have kicked my husband's ass out of our house the instant he started to wake me up to bitch or call me the C word. You should tell him in no uncertain terms that he is on very thin ice. How could you make him tea and dinner? Has he worn down your self worth to nil?

Merryoldgoat · 26/07/2020 00:42

@notacooldad

To give you an idea of the flip side of your trpwatty husbands behaviour I used to out our with my friends, even when our kids were babies and toddlers. Sometimes I would go for months without having a late night or going out and other times I. Might go out very late a couple of times in the month and have a good few drinks and get in at 2 ish. I'd be as quiet as I could and I'd slide into bed. If I woke DH up he would say ' oh hi love, have you had a good catch up with the girls?' , give me a kiss and fall asleep again. He would bring me a brew next morning and let me have a lie in while he took the kids so I could have some peace.

Your husband is behaving like an abusive twat and the more you try to pacify him the more his nasty behaviour will escalate.
Don't let this happen, nip it in the bud now.

This is exactly what happened the lady time I went out and came home late.

My husband went out for drinks the other day and cane home wrecked - I laughed at him and made him snacks.

PeacefulPlease · 26/07/2020 00:44

I don’t understand why he’s so uncomfortable with it...you’re having a few drinks with good friends and coming home not too long after midnight 🤷🏻‍♀️ Surely if he knows you’re going out he knows there’s a chance you could wake him up so why doesn’t he just ask you to sleep on the sofa if he doesn’t want to be disturbed.

I tried and failed to be controlling about going out with exDP but that’s because he was a raging binge-drinking, drunk-driving alcoholic who wouldn’t roll into the early hours 6-7am after drinking heavily all night. He literally had booze sleeping through the pores on his skin (yuk!) and was totally useless the next day. Staying out till 2am really isn’t a big deal, as long as you get home safely and are able to vaguely function the next day?

Twillow · 26/07/2020 00:57

During my marriage I started to turn down invitations as I couldn't cope with the sulks, insults and sometimes physical attacks that resulted from his fits of jealousy or abandonment issues.
It is hateful behaviour.
If it's possible to have a grown up discussion with him, stand your ground and find ways to solve the problems that he has - i.e. he gets disturned by your return, what does he suggest? You could suggest staying over, or sleeping in a different room on your return. You do NOT have to agree to return by midnight, curtailing the socialising on his behalf. Can he be jollied along and see the silly side of his behaviour?
If this kind of discussion is not possible, then you have some hard decisions to make.

SeasickPenguin · 26/07/2020 00:59

Does he ever leave the room "to calm down".
Does he ever "count to ten".
Does he ever give you a " little push" so he can get away because he wants to "protect you" from his strong emotions that you have "provoked" with your disapproved of "crazy/mental/uncooperative/unreasonable" behaviours.
Do you ever "make him" behave as he does in any given way on any given ocassion.

His behaviour in the bedroom sounds one step away from a violent response when coupled with the other things on have said.

I would be worried to be honest, slippery slope he's on.

Twofurrycatsagain · 26/07/2020 01:00

And.... It's not a mid life crisis. Classic putdown. It's having a life outside of children and housework. 2 nights a month is not a lot or unreasonable. Especially as I guess you were doing child care while he was being a musician 3 nights a week.

pictish · 26/07/2020 01:05

I can only echo echo echo...

Your dh is a controlling bastard. That episode was nasty. You didn’t wake him up, he waited for you, furious because you broke his midnight curfew. There will always be a reason to be angry with you for going out.
He means to make it impossible for you but in such a way as he can say he never stopped you, the fucker.

How to proceed? I don’t know...on that I can’t advise. I could tell you to get out and run for the hills (and you should) but that’s easy for me to say sitting here in my kitchen. Only you can decide what to do with this.
Please be assured though, it’s not you. His behaviour is completely unacceptable.

SeaToSki · 26/07/2020 01:27

I am wondering if he is projecting. Its when someone remembers what they would do in the same circumstances and assumes that you would do the same.

So worried about you being out late = worried that when you are out late you might be flirting with strangers because that is what he did when he was out late

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