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AIBU - out last night until 2am

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Ostracod · 25/07/2020 22:40

After 8 years of being at home baby rearing (DS8, DS5) I'm finally feeling like I want to cultivate a social life again. Nothing flash, just visiting friends in their homes, attending hobby workshops and events and going to pubs when they're open again properly. My husband of 12 years recently gave up his career as a musician so we can start a business together. He is at the opposite end of the sociability spectrum as he says he has worked in pubs 3 nights a week for 20 years and wants to have some time at home relaxing.

My idea of a good time is sitting having a really in depth chat with a few friends and maybe watching live music or having dinner together. I have started to do this maybe one or two nights a month as well as dog walks with friends etc during the week, totalling maybe 6 things a month without him. We work, live and parent together 24/7 other than that. We also see family and mutual friends together a couple of times a week, usually at our house.

However, my husband seems to be putting up increasing barriers to me doing this. I make dinner before I go and clear up, so all he has to do is put the kids to bed, enjoy his solo evening and go to bed. He has asked me to stay until the kids are in bed before but I firmly said no to that. He's now said he worries if I'm out late and can't sleep, to which I said I would text the address of where I am if it's a friends house, and would send a message if I'm going to be later than midnight. Because me and my friends are the sort who chat a lot, sometimes if the wine is flowing it gets pretty late, like 2.30am. I always text when I'm leaving. He has now said he would prefer if I chose to be considerate with the time I come home, as after midnight disrupts his sleep. He insisted it wasn't a curfew but said it's ignorant to wake someone up in the night.

Last night, I visited an old friend of more than a decade in her home. The wine flowed, the chats continued until 1am. I sent a message home saying I'd probably be another hour, his phone was off. I wasn't drunk, we shared 1 bottle between us all evening.

Upon my return home, our dog barked once. Otherwise I was really quiet and got ready outside the bedroom. He was sitting up in bed, furious, saying I'd woken him up. It was 2.15am on a Saturday morning, neither of us had anything to do this weekend. I apologised and got straight into bed. He continued to berate me, saying it was really fucking selfish of me to ruin his sleep and go against what he asked of me. It got to 4am and he was still furious, he shook me awake and called me a selfish cunt for waking him, and that going out late is a sign of a midlife crisis. He dragged the covers off me and told me to fuck off downstairs. I didn't budge and just lay there. This happened twice more until 5am when he finally passed out. The kids came in at 7 and I took them downstairs, made breakfast and kept them entertained until 11.30 when he surfaced. I made him a cup of tea and he made lunch for himself and the kids before announcing he was going out. I asked if he wanted dinner later and he said "I'll say yes then swan in at 4am", then walked out. He took the car and is still out, no message or anything. So there you have it. Extremely detailed as I don't want to skip any relevant facts. Am I selfish and entitled or is that controlling behaviour from him?

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Shoxfordian · 26/07/2020 07:52

He's controlling. He clearly just liked you being his little housewife who never went anywhere. Keep being independent and seeing your friends, think about how you can survive financially without him

ivykaty44 · 26/07/2020 07:54

What gets me is that you make his dinner before you go out!

Does he make you your dinner before he goes on a night out?

Stop this pandering, tell him you are his equal and will not be "told" or even advised what time you can come and go. Any respectful adult will communicate they are safe and estimated time of arrival home

then just leave it - tell him how it is and tell him to take care of dinner arrangements for himself

Mummadeeze · 26/07/2020 07:55

My partner is also a musician and went out a lot (mostly for work but not always) and like yours, also gets stroppy when I go out. We have got on great during lockdown as neither of us have been going out but now it has eased, I asked if I could go for lunch with a friend and he got in a mood. I still went, I just have to be thick skinned. But it is wrong, and I wish I was with someone less insecure and less selfish. It isn’t easy to up and leave when you have kids, so you have my sympathy. But the way he treated you was quite extreme and you must be feeling really sad. Maybe try talking to him when he is calm and over his mood about what exactly his worries are, but from my experience, men with this kind of issue are v hard to change. Best of luck.

J2Squared · 26/07/2020 07:56

Is he jealous? Perhaps he doesn’t have friends to go out or see as regular as you may see your friends?

Gobbycop · 26/07/2020 07:57

It got to 4am and he was still furious, he shook me awake and called me a selfish cunt for waking him, and that going out late is a sign of a midlife crisis. He dragged the covers off me and told me to fuck off downstairs.

That's worrying. So he's basically assaulted you in your sleep.

This isn't anyway normal.

Scout2016 · 26/07/2020 07:57

YADNBU. He should see you as an individual with your own life, interests and needs. Belittling your interests and social life as a midlife crisis and throwing a strop at your going out is isn't ok.

Rosebel · 26/07/2020 07:58

He sounds horrible. He doesn't like you going out because he has to put his children to bed and you have to cook and clear up before you go. Is he always so lazy regarding housework and the children?
Then when you go out he's abusive when you get home. He's massively controlling. He's not worried about your safety, he's worried about not being able to control you. He's already winning as you turn down invitations.
When he can finally be bothered to ge up (why the hell is he in bed so late?) he behaves like a teenager.
He's lazy, controlling, abusive and immature. I know it's really hard to walk away but I hope you do.

Justanotherwrinkle · 26/07/2020 08:10

Any man that would call me voicing my opinion ‘feminist bullshit’ would be out my house.

Look, I’m a homebody. I don’t socialise much at all and almost never in the evening. I also like my sleep. I’m not delighted when my DH goes out drinking and gets in at 2am and am a bit irritated if I’m woken up.
BUT I know this is my issue not his. His completely normal social life isn’t a problem. I can’t tell him how to live or who to see when he isn’t in any way damaging our family or avoiding his responsibilities.

I have asked him to go in the spare room if he is back after midnight but that’s about it. I just suck it up that he likes doing different things to me and I’m glad he has friends and enjoys his life. I like seeing my DH happy even if he gets happy doing things I don’t like. That’s the crux of it.
Your DH would rather you were home and subservient and meeting only his needs and wants rather than actually living your life in a way that brings you joy. That isn’t the action of someone who loves you.

Your DH behaved truly appallingly in the night. His language and abuse was real and unacceptable. But rather than recognise this and apologise profusely he is punishing you still.

Sadly OP this sounds like a healthy relationship isn’t possible. I think if you look deeper there will be all sorts of more subtle abuse going on in how he behaves and treats you. It can be impossible to see when it starts insidiously and we don’t expect it but once the scales fall form your eyes it will glare at you.

Can you find support from family and friends?
I hope he returns calmer and doesn’t abuse you further. Pls call for help if you feel in anyway unsafe.

But sadly without a lot of self awareness and desire to change on his behalf this is the end of your marriage.

Aquicknamechange2019 · 26/07/2020 08:10

Is he controlling in other ways, OP? Because that's what this is all about - control. It was fine when he was the one out late, because he knew exactly where you were. At home.

turnthebiglightoff · 26/07/2020 08:13

He's not kind and thoughtful. He shook you awake and called you a cunt. He is an abusive piece of shit and would not be in my home after pulling a stunt like that.

Intelinside57 · 26/07/2020 08:13

Keep some independence, don't get into business with him. It won't be a partnership will it? He'll be boss. I couldn't face putting up with this sort of controlling behaviour for the rest of my life and I don't think you can either.

DrDavidBanner · 26/07/2020 08:19

OP I hope you're feeling better today, it sounds like a really upsetting experience, it was an extreme overreaction from your husband.

When we were first living together my DH could also be very posessive, at first you don't notice bceause you want to be together all the time, but then as you want to go out with friends it becomes a problem. I don't know what his problem was, it seems to be a family trait anyway after some home truths from his GM who he adored he started to change his ways. Like you I'll let him know if I'm going to be out later than expected but we both enjoy evenings out with our friends with no problem.

TBH It seems like its your husband having the mid life crisis not you, he's been having a very nice life living it up with the lads while the little woman keeps house and keeps quiet. Now times have changed and he can't cope with it (and maybe hes thinking of all the things he did on his nights out).

Don't back down, it will make you miserable. When the dust has settled you need to have a serious conversation and let him know you're his wife and equal not the house maid.

HannahStern · 26/07/2020 08:19

Text him not to come home, that you will absolutely not tolerate his behaviour and that you want a divorce.

Mylittlepony374 · 26/07/2020 08:23

I'm sorry he's being an abusive fuckwit.
I too would not show him this thread, he's not going to change his behavior after seeing it; it's only likely to make him angrier which is dangerous for you.
Please can you tell someone in real life?

Cam77 · 26/07/2020 08:23

Im a dad and agree with everyone else. Why is he incapable of putting the kids to bed twice a month? Why is he so insecure about you going out? Sounds like he needs some parenting books/classes and possibly some counseling for his anger/controlling behaviour/insecurities?

KitchenConfidential · 26/07/2020 08:25

Fuxk me he’s a controlling bastard. This thread is really quite upsetting to read.

DrDavidBanner · 26/07/2020 08:26

Sorry, pressed send to soon!

If hes not willing to wise up then you need to start preparing for your own independance. Don't go into business with him if he cannot treat you like an equal.

You're his wife, not his maid, not his mother, not his daughter, not his PA. He needs to understand that if he continues down this path then he will be doing it alone.

Pippa12 · 26/07/2020 08:30

I suppose it’s a change of lifestyle he’s going to have to like or lump. But it does sound like his social life has diminished as yours has rocketed, likely stirring jealousy and anxiety.

I’m horrified at how he treated you at night tho, pulling your covers off and calling you such vulgar names is totally not ok.

If it was jealousy alone I’d try and work through this on the account both your lifestyles have changed dramatically- this does not mean I wouldn’t go out tho as this won’t fix anything. However, the way he’s treated you is in my opinion domestic abuse, is this behaviour new?

Be reassured this is not ok, but I wouldn’t show him this thread. Fuel and fire come to mind. I’d start getting things in order to leave.

isabellerossignol · 26/07/2020 08:33

@Newjez

He probably thinks you are having an affair. If not now, then in the near future. You're either married or your single. I don't understand this get married, have a couple of kids, then go back to the single life. Once in a while obviously. Work dos and such often don't allow a partner. But if we go out, my partner and I generally go together. Isn't that what a marriage is?
If that works for you, fair enough.

Certainly wouldn't work for me. When would I get the chance to talk to my friends? He'd be bored out of his mind spending time with me and my friends, and they wouldn't want him there even though they like him.

speakout · 26/07/2020 08:38

Your OHs behaviour is unacceptable.

However I wouldn't like my sleep being disturbed if my OH came home at 2am.
I would prefer him to arrange to stay over at a friends house than coming in at that time.

BarryTheKestrel · 26/07/2020 08:40

My DH used to have jealousy issues of me being out without him due to previous partners cheating on him. When we met i worked in a bar, I'd often stay after with coworkers for a drink, he'd hate it. But i explained from the word go that it was his jealousy and anxiety to deal with, not mine. Over the years he's got better, an occasional grumble but he would never act the way the OPs H has, because he knows I'd up and leave. He has worked on his own issues, knowing that i will have a social life outside of him whether he likes it or not because he doesn't have a valid reason for me not to.

This is not acceptable behaviour OP. You know this. Do not pander to his bullshit.

tripleripples · 26/07/2020 08:41

So many things wrong here. My husband comes to bed a few hours later than me most nights at the moment. How is you coming to bed later than him any different, in terms of levels of disturbance, to you coming to bed later than him having spent the evening out of the house? Does he dictate your bedtime? It’s hardly as though you came in drunk, falling over and crashing around the house, so I don’t see how it is any different.

ChristmasFluff · 26/07/2020 08:42

He's a vile controlling abuser

Seriously, when someone calls you a cunt, you have to cut them out of your life completely, whoever they are. That's without all the tantrumming and controlling behaviour.

It shows complete contempt for you. There's no coming back from contempt.

alreadytaken · 26/07/2020 08:44

I think this all sounds a bit extreme. You wake him up in the middle of the night - why not sleep somewhere else when you get back, no-one is at their best being woken in the middle of the night.

You say you are not drink driving but it certainly sounds as if you might be. Most people play down their drinking and it wouldnt be surprising if he worried about you drink driving.

We are still in a pandemic and he may also be worried about you meeting lots of people.

He may be controlling but you sound as if you are being reckless and thoughtless. He most definitely needs to apologise for his behaviour on this occasion, he was acting like a spoilt toddler. You also need to consider why you are behaving like a teenager though.

LinManWellWellWell · 26/07/2020 08:50

Hi OP this sounds like just a horrible horrible experience. I presume when you’re home you do ALL the childcare/bedtimes etc?

Reading all the replies will probably bring up lots of confusing emotions. Sometimes realising your husband is behaving terribly brings up all sorts of new feelings. I would really recommend a book called ‘Boundaries’ - it’s a Christian book but not overtly so - which is a good first step at recognising how wrong his behaviour is, and showing you ways to set boundaries. If you don’t feel ready to up and run immediately. Which is a huge step.
Boundaries www.amazon.co.uk/dp/0310351804/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_apthFbF2TBT3N?tag=mumsnetforu03-21

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