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AIBU - out last night until 2am

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Ostracod · 25/07/2020 22:40

After 8 years of being at home baby rearing (DS8, DS5) I'm finally feeling like I want to cultivate a social life again. Nothing flash, just visiting friends in their homes, attending hobby workshops and events and going to pubs when they're open again properly. My husband of 12 years recently gave up his career as a musician so we can start a business together. He is at the opposite end of the sociability spectrum as he says he has worked in pubs 3 nights a week for 20 years and wants to have some time at home relaxing.

My idea of a good time is sitting having a really in depth chat with a few friends and maybe watching live music or having dinner together. I have started to do this maybe one or two nights a month as well as dog walks with friends etc during the week, totalling maybe 6 things a month without him. We work, live and parent together 24/7 other than that. We also see family and mutual friends together a couple of times a week, usually at our house.

However, my husband seems to be putting up increasing barriers to me doing this. I make dinner before I go and clear up, so all he has to do is put the kids to bed, enjoy his solo evening and go to bed. He has asked me to stay until the kids are in bed before but I firmly said no to that. He's now said he worries if I'm out late and can't sleep, to which I said I would text the address of where I am if it's a friends house, and would send a message if I'm going to be later than midnight. Because me and my friends are the sort who chat a lot, sometimes if the wine is flowing it gets pretty late, like 2.30am. I always text when I'm leaving. He has now said he would prefer if I chose to be considerate with the time I come home, as after midnight disrupts his sleep. He insisted it wasn't a curfew but said it's ignorant to wake someone up in the night.

Last night, I visited an old friend of more than a decade in her home. The wine flowed, the chats continued until 1am. I sent a message home saying I'd probably be another hour, his phone was off. I wasn't drunk, we shared 1 bottle between us all evening.

Upon my return home, our dog barked once. Otherwise I was really quiet and got ready outside the bedroom. He was sitting up in bed, furious, saying I'd woken him up. It was 2.15am on a Saturday morning, neither of us had anything to do this weekend. I apologised and got straight into bed. He continued to berate me, saying it was really fucking selfish of me to ruin his sleep and go against what he asked of me. It got to 4am and he was still furious, he shook me awake and called me a selfish cunt for waking him, and that going out late is a sign of a midlife crisis. He dragged the covers off me and told me to fuck off downstairs. I didn't budge and just lay there. This happened twice more until 5am when he finally passed out. The kids came in at 7 and I took them downstairs, made breakfast and kept them entertained until 11.30 when he surfaced. I made him a cup of tea and he made lunch for himself and the kids before announcing he was going out. I asked if he wanted dinner later and he said "I'll say yes then swan in at 4am", then walked out. He took the car and is still out, no message or anything. So there you have it. Extremely detailed as I don't want to skip any relevant facts. Am I selfish and entitled or is that controlling behaviour from him?

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LakieLady · 27/07/2020 10:44

@REignbow is right. I bet if you reflected on other times when he's tried to control your behaviour, you'd find that he's actually been controlling, albeit in more subtle ways, but you just didn't really realise.

I was in an abusive relationship for 10 years, without really realising it was abusive. I knew my ex was vile quite often, and that I was desperately unhappy, but it was only after he'd moved out (which took 3 years) that it really clicked how abusive and controlling he was.

This was 12 years ago, and control and coercion wasn't widely known about then.

AryaStarkWolf · 27/07/2020 10:45

jesus, that's such a difficult read OP, I hope you're OK. You have 2 sons, you can't stay with a man who will teach them it's ok to treat women that way

LakieLady · 27/07/2020 10:48

@vitals, actually, I don't know if that's how it works, I took the pp's post at face value and assumed they did.

I haven't done frontline work for 3 years now, so my knowledge of practice in these matters is no longer up to date. I'll speak to the DA lead on the project I used to work on, and update myself, as I'd hate to inadvertently give anyone advice that could put them at risk.

Thank you for pointing that out.

Eslteacher06 · 27/07/2020 11:09

@ivfdreaming - RTFT

@Ostracod- I've read this in shock. Please don't say everything is back to normal. He's crossed a line and now it means he can push that line further if you don't stand your ground on this.

GabriellaMontez · 27/07/2020 11:19

Is your company jointly owned? Are you aware he could empty joint bank accounts?
Do you have the boys passports somewhere safe?

He's vile, violent and a bully. He's trying to frighten you.

Talk to someone in real life.

Make plans.

Sorry you're having such an awful time.

Twillow · 27/07/2020 11:35

OMG I'm actually shaking with this update, so familiar I'm afraid.
It is escalating.
You are not sulking, or in a mood, you're hurt and afraid.
Where can you go? Honestly, I would make plans asap to get yourself and your kids somewhere else. He needs to know that this is COMPLETELY unacceptable behaviour. So far, he has shown NO remorse or accountability. You haven't argued or shouted back, or responded in kind from what I have read. He needs to know he has a coice between losing his wife and lifestyle, or coming to his senses and treating you like a human being. The gaslighting in front of his family is a bad sign, I'm afraid - it's all about making himself feel the better person and justifying his behaviour.

I had never told my family or friends about any of what went on, (strange how the victim feels embarrassed and ashamed rather than the other way round unfortunately), but when I found the courage and walked out they all stepped up, and said they had their suspicions all along to boot.

Twillow · 27/07/2020 11:45

Oh, and the 'Mum is in a mood' bit?
Reminds me of when my ex flipped out over something and upended the dinner table, cut his own stupid hand badly on broken glass then told my cowering kids upstairs that I had 'made him do it'. When I had been the one shaking and phoning an ambulance in the hope that they'd see through the trivial excuse and send the police round. Which they didn't unfortunately, just asked to speak to him and told the idiot to go to casualty.

FortniteBoysMum · 27/07/2020 12:31

This sounds like the beginning of domestic violence/abuse. First comes the emotional control, then he reprimands you. Soon comes the slat which is all your fault for not being a good little girl and doing what your told. You nip this in the bud now.

SteelyPanther · 27/07/2020 12:32

How are you today ?
Have you told someone what happened so that they can look out for you ?

Chocoholic12 · 27/07/2020 16:39

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icecreamclouds · 27/07/2020 16:41

@Chocoholic12 have you actually RTFT??

AryaStarkWolf · 27/07/2020 16:42

@Chocoholic12 have you read her updates?

cosmo30 · 27/07/2020 16:43

@Chocoholic12 yeah because flinging people off chairs etc is just standard behaviour Hmm

Lifeisabeach09 · 27/07/2020 16:45

Domestic violence people have said?! Omg dramatic much! OPs been being a dick he didnt attack her.

Upthread OP states that her H knocks her over whilst she is seated in a chair.

Also, controlling behaviour is DV. Someone calling another person a cunt, getting angry at them for being out, and insisting they should be in at a certain time is, indeed, controlling behaviour. OP has said her H does not want her going out. What would you call it?

NotSorry · 27/07/2020 16:45

@Chocoholic12

nice - minimising domestic abuse and victim blaming

WaltzingBetty · 27/07/2020 16:54

You need to leave OP
Please contact women's aid.

Be prepared for his behaviour to escalate, possibly followed by apologies/flowers/chocolates/threats of self harm

It's all part of the manipulation to control your behaviour

notacooldad · 27/07/2020 18:19

Domestic violence people have said?! Omg dramatic much! OPs been being a dick he didnt attack her
Are you reading a different thread to everyone else?

minionsrule · 27/07/2020 18:28

I had one of these, I divorced him. It got worse and worse the more I defied him.
He actually locked me out a few times

minionsrule · 27/07/2020 19:01

Ok I have now RTFT, OP I can only echo what everyone has said.
This is completely a control thing, you said you had started to go out more before lockdown, he will see this as starting to lose control of you. Now you are disobeying him, he is losing more control.
The viciousness of his words and kicking the chair from under you is his way of reacting to that and trying to get you back under control.
This WILL escalate and get worse, he will be nice if you obey him but only then.
Please, I know its easy to say, start to look into getting out.
Its sad to say, but do anything until then to keep the peace to protect yourself but DON'T be fooled into thinking its all back to normal, you have to get away.
I said of my ex that once he had hit me once (after 10 years of being together) it was like that door could never be shut and it happened every time i went out and was not home on time. Once his mask had slipped it never went back on.
Take care xx

minionsrule · 27/07/2020 19:04

Oh sorry one more thing..... it also escalated from just me going out to more minor things. Not violence for those things but nastiness, often spoke to me like he had total contempt for me.
I cannot tell you how much I hated him by the end

redastherose · 27/07/2020 19:45

@vitals yes I can confirm I was able to make a report to the police and asked them to log it on the advice of my advocate. I wasn't reporting an ongoing threat, however, I was reporting threatening behaviour towards me after he had left the matrimonial home so that may have made a difference. I just wanted it logged in case his behaviour escalated.

LannieDuck · 27/07/2020 20:15

He sounds awful, I'm so sorry OP :(

At least he's making it easy for you to decide to LTB.

LuaDipa · 27/07/2020 20:31

You poor thing. You seem to have a very good understanding of what is going on here, but I just want to reiterate that you have done nothing wrong. This is entirely about your dh and his insecurities, and he is progressing into outright abuse rapidly. Please do look after yourself.Flowers

Thedogscollar · 27/07/2020 20:40

I've just read this to my husband and he thinks your husband is a selfish controlling twat.

This is 100% controlling behaviour. It's being dramatised right now in a Coronation Street storyline (brilliantly may I add) don't expose your children to his controlling behaviour. It will only do them harm.

You are an adult woman and no way should you or do you have to put up with this crap. Tell him to stop it right now or he can bugger off.