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AIBU - out last night until 2am

305 replies

Ostracod · 25/07/2020 22:40

After 8 years of being at home baby rearing (DS8, DS5) I'm finally feeling like I want to cultivate a social life again. Nothing flash, just visiting friends in their homes, attending hobby workshops and events and going to pubs when they're open again properly. My husband of 12 years recently gave up his career as a musician so we can start a business together. He is at the opposite end of the sociability spectrum as he says he has worked in pubs 3 nights a week for 20 years and wants to have some time at home relaxing.

My idea of a good time is sitting having a really in depth chat with a few friends and maybe watching live music or having dinner together. I have started to do this maybe one or two nights a month as well as dog walks with friends etc during the week, totalling maybe 6 things a month without him. We work, live and parent together 24/7 other than that. We also see family and mutual friends together a couple of times a week, usually at our house.

However, my husband seems to be putting up increasing barriers to me doing this. I make dinner before I go and clear up, so all he has to do is put the kids to bed, enjoy his solo evening and go to bed. He has asked me to stay until the kids are in bed before but I firmly said no to that. He's now said he worries if I'm out late and can't sleep, to which I said I would text the address of where I am if it's a friends house, and would send a message if I'm going to be later than midnight. Because me and my friends are the sort who chat a lot, sometimes if the wine is flowing it gets pretty late, like 2.30am. I always text when I'm leaving. He has now said he would prefer if I chose to be considerate with the time I come home, as after midnight disrupts his sleep. He insisted it wasn't a curfew but said it's ignorant to wake someone up in the night.

Last night, I visited an old friend of more than a decade in her home. The wine flowed, the chats continued until 1am. I sent a message home saying I'd probably be another hour, his phone was off. I wasn't drunk, we shared 1 bottle between us all evening.

Upon my return home, our dog barked once. Otherwise I was really quiet and got ready outside the bedroom. He was sitting up in bed, furious, saying I'd woken him up. It was 2.15am on a Saturday morning, neither of us had anything to do this weekend. I apologised and got straight into bed. He continued to berate me, saying it was really fucking selfish of me to ruin his sleep and go against what he asked of me. It got to 4am and he was still furious, he shook me awake and called me a selfish cunt for waking him, and that going out late is a sign of a midlife crisis. He dragged the covers off me and told me to fuck off downstairs. I didn't budge and just lay there. This happened twice more until 5am when he finally passed out. The kids came in at 7 and I took them downstairs, made breakfast and kept them entertained until 11.30 when he surfaced. I made him a cup of tea and he made lunch for himself and the kids before announcing he was going out. I asked if he wanted dinner later and he said "I'll say yes then swan in at 4am", then walked out. He took the car and is still out, no message or anything. So there you have it. Extremely detailed as I don't want to skip any relevant facts. Am I selfish and entitled or is that controlling behaviour from him?

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MissMarplesHandbag · 25/07/2020 23:36

He’s a cock nostril who’s hoping to make it not worth the hassle of going out so you just stay in

Exactomondo. So bloody obvious.

its giving someone a lift home in country lanes as he is worried about me driving or he doesn't know them, or drinking too much or not having done enough work or tidying before I went and leaving the place in disarray

The first couple are just rubbish excuses.
Not having done enough work or tidying before you go out though? Oh sorry, have we teleported back a few centuries / decades? Is he physically unable to tidy up his own house?

His behaviour last night was completely unacceptable. Not yours.

MadameMeursault · 25/07/2020 23:37

Tell him from now on he can sleep in another room if he doesn’t want to be woken up when you come in. Like PPs have said, he’s trying to stop you going out. Don’t let him. You’re perfectly entitled to a life outside the house.

KittyHawke80 · 25/07/2020 23:37

And you definitely shouldn't have to 'tidy up' first, or get the kids to bed. He's their father, not a frigging babysitter.

tobedtoMNandfart · 25/07/2020 23:38

Unfortunately you need to tread carefully as deciding/ threatening to leave / showing him this thread could exacerbate the abuse. It is abuse.

MrsEricBana · 25/07/2020 23:39

I can see why he doesn't like you coming in at 2.15am when he feels he needs to wait up, you've got young kids etc BUT his response was extraordinary.

Weetabixandcrumpets · 25/07/2020 23:39

When you said he 'passed out' at 5am, I assume that means he went to sleep rather than had been drinking? (Just clarifying).

It does sound very controlling. My STBX wanted to know my whereabouts at all times to 'make sure I was safe'.
Not letting you sleep, so he can keep having a go at you gives me chills.
And what has happened today? You did absolutely nothing wrong. You are a grown woman and you saw a friend. It was all arranged and you kept in touch. He acted like an abusive knob. Instead you are apologising, creeping around him and he is 'punishing you'. No! F* that.

SoulofanAggron · 25/07/2020 23:40

YANBU. You do you.

he shook me awake

This is abuse.

oakleaffy · 25/07/2020 23:41

This is why single life is is much easier....In this regard at least. Not having to answer to anyone.

OP he sounds a bit like our dad who went all neurotic whenever {my adoptive} mum went to stay even a few hours with female friends...Entirely innocent, entirely faithful.

Yet he fussed so much.

I feel for you in this...What a brat he is being.

BatShite · 25/07/2020 23:41

Would you feel able to show him this thread?
Absolutely awful advice IMO. This man is seriously controlling. Showing him this would not help things, at all. Would most likely make things wrse as it would be 'you are telling strangers about our private life...slagging me off on internet..' yadayadayada.

This behaviour is not normal. I had an ex rather like this, even kicked off about me seeing my parents. There was always something, usually many somethings.

Dragongirl10 · 25/07/2020 23:41

Oh dear op, that is very controlling and nasty.

Like many others have said you are so not being or doing anything unreasonable .

Coming in late a couple of times a month on non work evenings is NOT unreasonable.

Calling you a C... is totally unaceptable as is pulling the sheets off you .
So sorry op but it doesn't look good.

Weetabixandcrumpets · 25/07/2020 23:42

And the mid life crisis rubbish too Angry.

I wanted to go to a Arts conference on my own for a couple of days and STBX told everyone I was acting irrationally and it must be the menopause!

PurpleRiverIsland · 25/07/2020 23:42

Well he is being a complete prick today but as you say he’s normally a decent guy let’s give him the benefit of the doubt. I would find someone waking me really annoying. Do you have a spare room or sofa you could sleep on so you don’t have to wake him? Can you get to the bottom of where his rage about it is coming from? It does sound like he could be angry that he can’t control you. Or is he jealous that roles have reversed? Not coping with the kids?

YgritteSnow · 25/07/2020 23:43

When the puffed up prick comes marching back in having Made His Point. I wouldn't say a word to him. Just roll over and ignore him entirely but as I said in my previous post I think he's going to step up the attempts to control and abuse you and I think he's going to be angry when you don't react to him. Be on your guard. He's given himself permission to behave very badly and once someone does that they don't want to go back.

tobedtoMNandfart · 25/07/2020 23:43

Of course he would dismiss it. You do not need him to agree with you that this is unacceptable.
YOU can state that this is unacceptable to you.

Elieza · 25/07/2020 23:43

I don’t think his behaviour is about you coming home late disturbing him as there are ways round that (sleeping on couch/spare room or staying with pals, I think it’s about you being out unchaperoned by him.

He used to be out regularly in pubs all the time working and whatever and got home late. Now you do it just twice a month and it’s a problem?

Seems to me that he knew what went on with him on those nights he was out late and is now scared you might be up to the same thing? Question was is that because he saw others having affairs etc, or could he have been up to no good himself before and thinks you might too?

Or perhaps he just wants to spend time together now he’s at home more and loves you.

Who knows. You need to talk and work out a way forward.

Bowerbird5 · 25/07/2020 23:44

Tell him you’ll buy a tent and sleep in that in future that should shut him up.
DH wouldn’t be pleased if I woke him up but he is ok with it. I don’t come home that late though. Do you think it is genuine anxiety or not? I get anxious if DH isn’t home when he says and imagine all sorts of horrors but I do have a vivid imagination.
Do you think he is concerned that you are meeting someone else?

Ostracod · 25/07/2020 23:45

@Weetabixandcrumpets I meant he finally passed out from being angry and storming about and pulling the covers off repeatedly, not from alcohol.

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tobedtoMNandfart · 25/07/2020 23:46

@Elieza Agreed. Projection.

Merryoldgoat · 25/07/2020 23:47

If my DH goes out and gets home pissed (rare but still) and wakes me, I go and see if he’s ok and laugh at him.

He’s being so unbelievably awful OP.

oakleaffy · 25/07/2020 23:48

@Ostracod
Sod it being 'Feminist'.....My Son {grown now} knows friends whose wives get completely apoplectic at them going for a day's mountain biking with the lads....
So it works for both genders.
Your Husband is trying to stop you going out...The comment about ''not donut enough tidying beforehand.. ye Gods! It sounds like he expects you to be a Stepford wife.

Shaking you awake is bang out of order. What a cheek. Hasn't he any mates to go out with??

Ostracod · 25/07/2020 23:48

Regarding the possibility of me meeting up with someone else, he usually knows the person or people I'm with and it's all out in the open what I'm doing, I don't just go randomly out, by choice

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Weetabixandcrumpets · 25/07/2020 23:48

@Ostracod Thought so Smile

So assuming he is going to be staying out tonight, do you have a plan?

Twofurrycatsagain · 25/07/2020 23:49

You were correct in your first post: he is putting up barriers. Do not accept them.
He wanted you to not go out until the children were asleep (probably hoping it would be too late to bother going)
Home before midnight
Driving on country lanes.
Drinking
Not doing your 'chores' before going out
Sulking about it.
It's coercive control. Getting you to the point that going out isn't worth the hassle you get at home so you stop and stay home like the good little wife you should be (in his mind).
As for sleeping somewhere else: he will claim that he's awake worrying or that you still woke him up. There's always a reason why you will be in the wrong (until it's not worth the hassle etc)

oakleaffy · 25/07/2020 23:50

@Ostracod

He pulled the covers off you????

Our dad did this if I was late for school at about age 8...I remember how invasive it felt.

Horrid.
He sounds a right petulant git to be honest.

whereistherum · 25/07/2020 23:51

We have an agreement that if the other is asleep, then the one out, gets to spend the night on the sofa.

Between the two of us, I can only think of a handful of times this happened and neither of us would treat the other like your husband has.