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AIBU - out last night until 2am

305 replies

Ostracod · 25/07/2020 22:40

After 8 years of being at home baby rearing (DS8, DS5) I'm finally feeling like I want to cultivate a social life again. Nothing flash, just visiting friends in their homes, attending hobby workshops and events and going to pubs when they're open again properly. My husband of 12 years recently gave up his career as a musician so we can start a business together. He is at the opposite end of the sociability spectrum as he says he has worked in pubs 3 nights a week for 20 years and wants to have some time at home relaxing.

My idea of a good time is sitting having a really in depth chat with a few friends and maybe watching live music or having dinner together. I have started to do this maybe one or two nights a month as well as dog walks with friends etc during the week, totalling maybe 6 things a month without him. We work, live and parent together 24/7 other than that. We also see family and mutual friends together a couple of times a week, usually at our house.

However, my husband seems to be putting up increasing barriers to me doing this. I make dinner before I go and clear up, so all he has to do is put the kids to bed, enjoy his solo evening and go to bed. He has asked me to stay until the kids are in bed before but I firmly said no to that. He's now said he worries if I'm out late and can't sleep, to which I said I would text the address of where I am if it's a friends house, and would send a message if I'm going to be later than midnight. Because me and my friends are the sort who chat a lot, sometimes if the wine is flowing it gets pretty late, like 2.30am. I always text when I'm leaving. He has now said he would prefer if I chose to be considerate with the time I come home, as after midnight disrupts his sleep. He insisted it wasn't a curfew but said it's ignorant to wake someone up in the night.

Last night, I visited an old friend of more than a decade in her home. The wine flowed, the chats continued until 1am. I sent a message home saying I'd probably be another hour, his phone was off. I wasn't drunk, we shared 1 bottle between us all evening.

Upon my return home, our dog barked once. Otherwise I was really quiet and got ready outside the bedroom. He was sitting up in bed, furious, saying I'd woken him up. It was 2.15am on a Saturday morning, neither of us had anything to do this weekend. I apologised and got straight into bed. He continued to berate me, saying it was really fucking selfish of me to ruin his sleep and go against what he asked of me. It got to 4am and he was still furious, he shook me awake and called me a selfish cunt for waking him, and that going out late is a sign of a midlife crisis. He dragged the covers off me and told me to fuck off downstairs. I didn't budge and just lay there. This happened twice more until 5am when he finally passed out. The kids came in at 7 and I took them downstairs, made breakfast and kept them entertained until 11.30 when he surfaced. I made him a cup of tea and he made lunch for himself and the kids before announcing he was going out. I asked if he wanted dinner later and he said "I'll say yes then swan in at 4am", then walked out. He took the car and is still out, no message or anything. So there you have it. Extremely detailed as I don't want to skip any relevant facts. Am I selfish and entitled or is that controlling behaviour from him?

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Iwantacookie · 26/07/2020 09:59

OP if hes still out now change the locks. Hes abusive and jealous you have a life without him.

AllTheUsernamesAreAlreadyTaken · 26/07/2020 10:00

Was he so considerate of not waking you when he was working late in the pub three nights a week?
He’s being controlling. Scarily so.

TheOrigBrave · 26/07/2020 10:01

If you love each other you need to nip this in the bud now. If having a mature conversation about it which results in you being able to continue your very reasonable social life and him being able to sleep then good.

If not then it WILL get worse. Drip drip drip.

MrDarcysMa · 26/07/2020 10:02

Coercive control is illegal OP. He is abusing you. Please tell your family and even better, the police.

LadyFlumpalot · 26/07/2020 10:05

I've read the thread but have possibly missed this if it was already suggested so I apologise if it had been.

Your comment about how he used to happily stay out til past 4am and only have a vague explanation - yet flips out at you suggests infidelity on his part to me.

If he was being unfaithful on his late nights he'll be tying himself in knots imagining you doing the same, but obviously he can't say anything to you without incriminating himself.

Either way, what he's doing is abuse. He's controlling you massively and it's starting to work, you've already said you've started to turn down invites to keep him happy.

Pebblexox · 26/07/2020 10:10

I'm sorry op! Yanbu.
The way he's treating you isn't acceptable. Has he always been like this? Or is he just now starting, as he seems to have given up his social life it seems he expects you to do the same and that's not okay.
Please consider your options, because this behaviour usually only gets worse as time goes on.

Woolwichgirl · 26/07/2020 10:10

Thank God am single..Need no ones special permission to go out.

Pebblexox · 26/07/2020 10:16

@Woolwichgirl
It's not just single people. I'm married and my dh has no say in what I do with my free time. If he did I wouldn't be with him!

speakout · 26/07/2020 10:16

Woolwichgirl I don't think that is just the remit of the single.
OH and I don;t need each other'ds permission to go out- but thankfully neither of us sees staying out until 2am a fun thing to do.

Brefugee · 26/07/2020 10:19

I’m not saying it’s right, but I will say I’ve seen SOO many posts from women in your DH’s shoes. When it’s the man who ‘wants a life’ and the woman who is being left at home with the kids 6 times a month whilst he comes home in the early hours...well he’s called a lot of names and she’s told she is NBU!!! God forbid his hobby be either golf or cycling!

how many of the men complaining about this or the women describing this mention that he make dinner before [he goes] and clear up, so all he has to do is put the kids to bed, enjoy his solo evening and go to bed?

FrankieChips · 26/07/2020 10:19

We don’t have kids but when I go out my husband texts to see if I’m okay and when I will be back. When I get home I usually wake him up by accident as he’s a light sleeper. He asks if I had a good time then goes back to sleep. The next day if I have a hangover he takes the piss and gets me water. He would never behave the way your husband has and I’m shocked and sad for you that he’s done this. He ruined what sounds like a lovely evening and made you feel bad for doing something totally normal. It’s not on.

Lilymossflower · 26/07/2020 10:25

He shook you ?
Berated you for 2 hours?
Tore the covers off you in a rage and told you to fuck off in the middle of the night ?

Again... He SHOOK you

This is abusive behavior. Aggressive violent and textbook abusive complete with blaming you and making it your fault for being selfish

I'm so sorry

namechange120975 · 26/07/2020 11:00

Yeah, not ok. DH used to go out late fairly often when we were first married. I only worried if he'd messaged me saying something like "on my way home see you soon" then still hadn't appeared a couple of hours later. If he was just out then I assumed he was having fun. Same goes for me, I'd message and say I was on the train in case he was worried for me. Even now though with a baby it would be a case of making sure the other wasn't working and didn't have other plans. It shouldn't be like this at all. He had you in a box in his head and now you're becoming your own person again he doesn't like it.

REignbow · 26/07/2020 12:57

It is controlling and coercive behaviour.

He’s making so that, you won’t want to go out because of the fall out.

This isn’t normal and his reaction is very abusive.

He’s telling you who he is, so listen.

Read the book by Lundy Bancroft “why does he do that”

Ostracod · 26/07/2020 14:06

Not a happy update I'm afraid, I asked if we could talk today while the kids were in the garden, and I said I was sorry I woke him up but didn't feel I deserved 2 days of purgatory. He shouted that it was me being inconsiderate that was the issue, the fuck you to his needs, that he asked me to be back at a reasonable time and I ignored his wishes, and just thought I'd do what I wanted anyway. He then stormed over to me and upended the chair I was sitting on, then told me to stop looking like a victim when I was shaking on the floor. Then he said we were finished. Now what? How do I do this part?

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Furrydogmum · 26/07/2020 14:09

For a start maybe record your interactions going forward.. Whilst working out how to safely get out of the relationship. This sounds awful OP, I'm so sorry.

Lillygolightly · 26/07/2020 14:10

I think you know OP that there is nothing nice, caring or loving about this behaviour. As you’ve already suspected he is putting barriers and obstacles in your way in the hope that you just give up going out.

I had this same behaviour from an ex, he was fine if I went out shopping or meet friends for lunch/coffee etc. If I was to go out at night though he very much disliked it but grudgingly put up with it and had a sulk. One day I went to help a friend move halls of residence as she was being relocated due to the commonwealth games. This friend also happened to be one of his best friends girlfriend, we often used to go out as a foursome so her knew her well. He was all fine with me going helping during the day but as time got on we ended up having dinner and resting after all the moving and unpacking etc. It was at the point that my friend literally cried to me, told me she was nervous to spend the first night in new halls with people she didn’t know and asked if I would please stay the night with her, to which I said of course I would. I rang the ex to let him know the situation explained friend was upset and crying etc he responded by demanding I go home immediately. I obviously told him he was being ridiculous and as a fully grown adult I would decide what I wanted to do and would not be dictated to by him. He replied by threatening that if I stayed out and was not back home by midnight that he would throw all my stuff out in the doorstep. I again told him he was being ridiculous in the extreme and making a fool of himself and reiterated that he knew where I was (he had dropped me off!) he knew who I was with and that I would be back home in the morning as I said I would, and ended the conversation. Less than a half hour later he turned up in person to MAKE me come home. The only reason I obliged is because my friend clearly felt bad as she felt like she had caused it (though I put her straight on that one) and that quiet frankly she didn’t want the fuss of him kicking off in front of people she had to live with yet hardly knew. I left him a couple of months following this incident. I had never ever given him any reason to not trust me, we had been together over 4 years, he had no reason to be insecure. I realised after this that if I was to spend my life with him, that I would spend it suffocated. Fortunately I was young and we had no children, leaving still wasn’t easy, he was a lovely guy in many ways, supportive, caring etc and our relationship was steady BUT in my twenties there was no way I was going to giving up my youth or my freedom for someone who couldn’t cope with me being out a few hours of an evening.

I appreciate your situation is more complicated in the fact that you have children to consider, however what he is doing amounts to the same, he is controlling and suffocating you. Being in a relationship is a choice, you should never feel forced by the other person. Yes of course consider their feelings, but you do not stop living your life, doing things you enjoy and giving up your freedom just because he can’t sleep or hates being disturbed (which is tosh anyway) or whatever his excuse for this controlling behaviour is.

Your an adult and you are entitled to go out and enjoy yourself, and as an adult you can decide for yourself what time it is reasonable for you to get home. It is not selfish to do this, if you were doing it every night and leaving him with the kids it maybe so but you are not, you are going out a couple of times a month which is quiet reasonable and I’m absolutely sure you deserve it.

Pebblexox · 26/07/2020 14:15

Now what? How do I do this part?
^^
Now you get provisions in place for you can leave this man! You need to speak to a solicitor, see where you stand on certain things such as your housing etc. Then you need to find a safe space where you can go and take dc with you.

QualityFeet · 26/07/2020 14:15

Firstly tell people and contact your local police to log the assaults - that’s what they are. Talk to your friends and family. Sorry it has come to this.

dublingirl66 · 26/07/2020 14:18

Oh my god this is horrendous

You get him out
That's what you do

What a cunt

How dare he
So he pushed the chair so you would fall off?
This man is awful
Trust me iv been with an abuser so know all about it
Ps it will get WORSE if you stay

speakout · 26/07/2020 14:20

Call the police- now.

Ostracod · 26/07/2020 14:22

I'm sitting drinking tea in the kitchen while he is talking completely normally to the kids in the other room, did I just imagine that happening?! I feel fraudulent going to the police, he hasn't hurt me, just scared the shit out of me. His family were visiting just a few days ago and he was telling them how amazing I was, we had a good time, all was fine. Then I go out, stay out late and my marriage is over? Wtf. I'm reeling currently...

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heartshapedcloud · 26/07/2020 14:24

Call the police. Call your family. You and kids are not safe.

Also, don't minimise what he's done and been like - I would be making sure I was honest with all friends and family as I can guarantee if you aren't he will twist things and paint you as the bad guy.

Keep thinking - would I want this relationship for my daughter? Will I look back at 70 and be glad I stayed with this man?

Ostracod · 26/07/2020 14:29

If my sons turned out like him I would be pretty sad, tellingly his mum said while a bit tipsy the other day, "if it all goes tits-up with you two I'd back you 100%". If he hasn't already been talking to her, why on earth would she say that?!

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GoGadgetGo · 26/07/2020 14:35

He is horrible.

The way he spoke to you was unacceptable.
His behaviour was unacceptable.
Him dictating what time you should be home by is unacceptable.

He needs to go. You deserve so much more.

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