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AIBU - out last night until 2am

305 replies

Ostracod · 25/07/2020 22:40

After 8 years of being at home baby rearing (DS8, DS5) I'm finally feeling like I want to cultivate a social life again. Nothing flash, just visiting friends in their homes, attending hobby workshops and events and going to pubs when they're open again properly. My husband of 12 years recently gave up his career as a musician so we can start a business together. He is at the opposite end of the sociability spectrum as he says he has worked in pubs 3 nights a week for 20 years and wants to have some time at home relaxing.

My idea of a good time is sitting having a really in depth chat with a few friends and maybe watching live music or having dinner together. I have started to do this maybe one or two nights a month as well as dog walks with friends etc during the week, totalling maybe 6 things a month without him. We work, live and parent together 24/7 other than that. We also see family and mutual friends together a couple of times a week, usually at our house.

However, my husband seems to be putting up increasing barriers to me doing this. I make dinner before I go and clear up, so all he has to do is put the kids to bed, enjoy his solo evening and go to bed. He has asked me to stay until the kids are in bed before but I firmly said no to that. He's now said he worries if I'm out late and can't sleep, to which I said I would text the address of where I am if it's a friends house, and would send a message if I'm going to be later than midnight. Because me and my friends are the sort who chat a lot, sometimes if the wine is flowing it gets pretty late, like 2.30am. I always text when I'm leaving. He has now said he would prefer if I chose to be considerate with the time I come home, as after midnight disrupts his sleep. He insisted it wasn't a curfew but said it's ignorant to wake someone up in the night.

Last night, I visited an old friend of more than a decade in her home. The wine flowed, the chats continued until 1am. I sent a message home saying I'd probably be another hour, his phone was off. I wasn't drunk, we shared 1 bottle between us all evening.

Upon my return home, our dog barked once. Otherwise I was really quiet and got ready outside the bedroom. He was sitting up in bed, furious, saying I'd woken him up. It was 2.15am on a Saturday morning, neither of us had anything to do this weekend. I apologised and got straight into bed. He continued to berate me, saying it was really fucking selfish of me to ruin his sleep and go against what he asked of me. It got to 4am and he was still furious, he shook me awake and called me a selfish cunt for waking him, and that going out late is a sign of a midlife crisis. He dragged the covers off me and told me to fuck off downstairs. I didn't budge and just lay there. This happened twice more until 5am when he finally passed out. The kids came in at 7 and I took them downstairs, made breakfast and kept them entertained until 11.30 when he surfaced. I made him a cup of tea and he made lunch for himself and the kids before announcing he was going out. I asked if he wanted dinner later and he said "I'll say yes then swan in at 4am", then walked out. He took the car and is still out, no message or anything. So there you have it. Extremely detailed as I don't want to skip any relevant facts. Am I selfish and entitled or is that controlling behaviour from him?

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YgritteSnow · 26/07/2020 16:41

And you'd still be victim blaming and completely ignorant of the dynamics of control and abuse even without that update @ivfdreaming

HappyMealWithLegs · 26/07/2020 16:44

Fuck off with your victim blaming man pleasing SHIT on this thread ivfdreaming.

Please ignore the posts from this idiot OP.

BurtsBeesKnees · 26/07/2020 16:56

The 'it's finished' routine is just another tactic in the abusers handbook, it's designed to put you back in your box. Add that to the verbal psychological and physical abuse and it's all designed to make you toe the line, do what he says, next time you go out, even if you're back at 10 am, I bet the reaction is the same, just about something else. It's so eventually you'll not go out, not see friends and be back to staying in 24/7

backseatcookers · 26/07/2020 16:58

@ivfdreaming

He then stormed over to me and upended the chair I was sitting on, then told me to stop looking like a victim when I was shaking on the floor.

I'm assuming you missed this bit? It wasn't in the original post so you may have, but it's this detail you missed that is the reason why posters are shocked you can't see this man is being abusive.

Happynow001 · 26/07/2020 17:06

Even if you do what he wants you will also always live with the fear of violence.
Actually from this point on, for as long as you stay and capitulate, there will always be the thought of possible violence bubbling beneath the surface, slightly moving the goalposts each time you feel things are going well so you can never quite relax.

If you are planning on leaving this marriage (and you should seriously consider it) please do it from a place of Safety - you with your children. DO NOT tell him you are planning to leave.

If you are concerned with finances, check what you'd get on Universal Credit and/or www.entitledto.co.uk but before that speak to the police domestic violence unit. Also speak with Women's Aid as soon as you can. Or National Domestic Abuse Helpline – 0808 2000 247 – www.nationaldahelpline.org.uk/

Even if you decide to stay where you are for now, research what help you'd get if you needed to leave.

You take care OP. 🌹

winterisstillcoming · 26/07/2020 17:06

So after years of him coming home at 4am, he's having a go at you the odd night????

winterisstillcoming · 26/07/2020 17:09

Sorry the whole thread didn't load. I've just read your update. Please look after yourself. Get some help irl too if you can. He sounds irrational, and dangerous.

Otterseatpuffinsdontthey · 26/07/2020 17:10

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Weetabixandcrumpets · 26/07/2020 17:22

Hope you're okay @Ostracod.

The gaslighting (chatting away normally like nothing is wrong) is very common. It makes you minimise the whole incident and question your version of it. Likewise the singing of your praises to everyone (They all think 'Oh, what a lovely man' and it makes you look like a harridan!)

I put up with 20 years of it, each time thinking I'd fixed it, that it wasn't that bad and it would get better. Now I am free, I am finally talking to people about what happened and asking myself wtf I didn't get out a long time ago when the kids were young. Now I would not put up with any crap, I am fierce and sassy and I wish the same on you xxx (huge hugs)

LinManWellWellWell · 26/07/2020 17:26

He’s probably saying it’s over/it’s finished (can’t remember the exact wording) in the hope that you’ll beg and plead and say you’ll never do it again. Don’t. Take him at his word and leave. I hope you are ok. Xx the thought of him being so angry he had to wake you up to have another go at you...I just want to give you a hug.

Weetabixandcrumpets · 26/07/2020 17:36

@LinManWellWellWell 'I just want to give you a hug'...join the queue x

gottastopeatingchocolate · 26/07/2020 17:46

Whether you were hurt or not, it was still violence.

Please be careful. This is so like my own story except the going out part!) and I had to put my child and some stuff in the car and escape while he was out.

As PP have said, the "it's over" isn't real. It may also be a litmus test to see how disaffected you are. When I tried to respond to an "it's over" by having an adult discussion about separating, things really went from bad to worse.

Contact a domestic abuse agency. They won't pressure you in any way but can help you tot process what is going on.

sallievp · 26/07/2020 17:49

He sounds horrible..
Like a spoilt bully.

Isthisit22 · 26/07/2020 17:59

Please ring the police OP, even just to have his assaults logged. When you divorce you will regret not logging these assaults as when you try to explain your concerns, possibly why you don't want to do hand overs etc then you'll have no evidence.
Stay safe Flowers

lowlandLucky · 26/07/2020 18:07

That is exactly how my ex was. What time did he used to arrive home after being in the pub 3 times a week ?

BakewellGin1 · 26/07/2020 18:08

YADNBU.... About twice a month my DH does go out, does come in about 1am and is usually very drunk.... Occasionally I'm annoyed (if he tries to speak to me etc or is noisy) but I don't expect him to never go out etc...

I have no doubt he stayed awake to be a dick...

LookAtTheCahhOlivahhhhh · 26/07/2020 19:03

Wow, that is awful.

LakieLady · 26/07/2020 19:16

@ivfdreaming, defending an abusive, controlling, violent man in this way is the most offensive bit of victim blaming I've read in many a year.

I don't know how you can live with yourself.

BBCONEANDTWO · 26/07/2020 19:23

Next time tell him you're staying overnight at your friends so you don't have to bother him and wake the idiot up.

Otherwise when you come in sleep on the sofa. Calling you the C word is totally unacceptable just so wrong.

BBCONEANDTWO · 26/07/2020 19:27

Sorry I missed your update - him trying to say stop playing the victim is gaslighting in the extreme and talking to the kids like nothing has happened.

If you were to leave he'd be bawling his eyes out begging you to come back. You won't go though - you need time to get yourself sorted out and in a place where you can see a future for yourself without him.

dublingirl66 · 26/07/2020 20:13

No no no

Police please
Fcking scum

How dare he

Awful

IsThisTheKrustyKrab · 26/07/2020 20:17

Haven't read the entire thread, but he's being an absolute knob! Sounds like he doesn't like the fact you're getting a life outside of him and your kids!

tobedtoMNandfart · 26/07/2020 20:46

Oh OP I'm so so sorry. Nothing about this is normal or acceptable. I hope that you can reach out for help.

Ostracod · 26/07/2020 21:04

Its really moving how many lovely humans there are out there, thank you all so much!

The bit about the gaslighting with him acting like nothing has happened is so true, he has got to be pretty shocked he escalated things that far, but no, he's downstairs making himself dinner and chatting to the kids, I heard him say "mummy is upstairs because she's in a mood". I admit I'm too scared of the repercussions to call the police right now or just get in the car and leave, I'm being a pussy about it. But I am researching what to do money and help wise

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gottastopeatingchocolate · 26/07/2020 21:26

You can email your situation to 101. They will be very sensitive to your vulnerability and have specialist teams to work in domestic abuse.

One thing that jumped out at me from The Freedom Programme is that many of the men who abuse and rage claim that they never get angry. I thought that was just a lie, but they said that it is true. It is not emotion, it is just control. Which is why he can switch it off and make his dinner while chatting to the kids.