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AIBU - out last night until 2am

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Ostracod · 25/07/2020 22:40

After 8 years of being at home baby rearing (DS8, DS5) I'm finally feeling like I want to cultivate a social life again. Nothing flash, just visiting friends in their homes, attending hobby workshops and events and going to pubs when they're open again properly. My husband of 12 years recently gave up his career as a musician so we can start a business together. He is at the opposite end of the sociability spectrum as he says he has worked in pubs 3 nights a week for 20 years and wants to have some time at home relaxing.

My idea of a good time is sitting having a really in depth chat with a few friends and maybe watching live music or having dinner together. I have started to do this maybe one or two nights a month as well as dog walks with friends etc during the week, totalling maybe 6 things a month without him. We work, live and parent together 24/7 other than that. We also see family and mutual friends together a couple of times a week, usually at our house.

However, my husband seems to be putting up increasing barriers to me doing this. I make dinner before I go and clear up, so all he has to do is put the kids to bed, enjoy his solo evening and go to bed. He has asked me to stay until the kids are in bed before but I firmly said no to that. He's now said he worries if I'm out late and can't sleep, to which I said I would text the address of where I am if it's a friends house, and would send a message if I'm going to be later than midnight. Because me and my friends are the sort who chat a lot, sometimes if the wine is flowing it gets pretty late, like 2.30am. I always text when I'm leaving. He has now said he would prefer if I chose to be considerate with the time I come home, as after midnight disrupts his sleep. He insisted it wasn't a curfew but said it's ignorant to wake someone up in the night.

Last night, I visited an old friend of more than a decade in her home. The wine flowed, the chats continued until 1am. I sent a message home saying I'd probably be another hour, his phone was off. I wasn't drunk, we shared 1 bottle between us all evening.

Upon my return home, our dog barked once. Otherwise I was really quiet and got ready outside the bedroom. He was sitting up in bed, furious, saying I'd woken him up. It was 2.15am on a Saturday morning, neither of us had anything to do this weekend. I apologised and got straight into bed. He continued to berate me, saying it was really fucking selfish of me to ruin his sleep and go against what he asked of me. It got to 4am and he was still furious, he shook me awake and called me a selfish cunt for waking him, and that going out late is a sign of a midlife crisis. He dragged the covers off me and told me to fuck off downstairs. I didn't budge and just lay there. This happened twice more until 5am when he finally passed out. The kids came in at 7 and I took them downstairs, made breakfast and kept them entertained until 11.30 when he surfaced. I made him a cup of tea and he made lunch for himself and the kids before announcing he was going out. I asked if he wanted dinner later and he said "I'll say yes then swan in at 4am", then walked out. He took the car and is still out, no message or anything. So there you have it. Extremely detailed as I don't want to skip any relevant facts. Am I selfish and entitled or is that controlling behaviour from him?

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AramintaLee · 26/07/2020 21:33

It seems he's realised he can't control you simply by telling you he wants you home at a reasonable hour so has now resorted to scare tactics to keep you in place. I fear this is a slippery slope that will only get worse if you don't abide by his rules.

I would 100% be planning my exit route.

Nottherealslimshady · 26/07/2020 21:34

Honestly I'm really worried for you. He's controlling and abusive but has obviously always had you under his thumb till now. The only way he'll start being nice to you again is if you give up your freedom and do as you're told.
You need to get help and get out, be prepared to be strong for you and your kids because he is showing that he's dangerous. You know you can do it, and you need to do it. Good luck x

Weetabixandcrumpets · 26/07/2020 21:42

He is so following the script. 'Mummy is in a mood'.

Well no, 'I scared and punished mummy, so that next time she does what she's told'.

You are not a pussy OP, like I said, it took me 20 years. You'll get there. Everything in your own time. Remember you are strong ,don't let him control the narrative and remember there are lots of people rooting for you x

dublingirl66 · 26/07/2020 21:54

Could you get the bastard out

I'm so sorry you sound so lovely
We give them so many chances

Many of us been through this

The fab people on here speak the truth
My one main regret is not leaving when it was spelt out to me just how bad it was on here
Get your plan in place
Keep posting when you can ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️

Gailplatt95 · 26/07/2020 22:18

See the behaviour is controlling I can see that but I’m in the reverse position of this, only worse your actually considerate my DPs a knob. DP goes out never tells me where he’s going, not that I care and strolls in whenever the fuck he wants, usually between 3 and 7 am. Wakes the kids up both under 3 has the dog barking the lot and it makes me fucking furious. The next day he’ll be hungover or on a come down depending on how wild the night got and do absolutely fuck all, except get pissed off with the kids for not letting him nap in the living room. I regularly call him a selfish cunt. I wish he’d stop going out and I tell him this, I do get frustrated when I know he’s going out because I know what’s to come when he gets in. Would I be considered controlling also?

morefun · 26/07/2020 22:21

No gail but you do need to leave this deadbeat father and husband.

Justjoshin22 · 26/07/2020 22:32

You’re probably in shock OP and because things have escalated so quickly, you may end up rationalising all of this, minimise it or put it down to a one off. That would be a huge mistake. Do whatever research you need to do to make your exit plan. Your husbands behaviour is beyond unacceptable and it absolutely is worth ending a marriage for.

ferntwist · 26/07/2020 22:35

Oh my god, you poor thing. He could have seriously hurt you. That must have been terrifying. Please don’t let him minimise this or blame you, as he already seems to be doing to the kids (“mum is upstairs in a mood”). Get rid of him and live your life in peace.

WanderleyWagon · 27/07/2020 00:10

I'm really sorry you're in this situation. I've had a family member in a very controlling relationship and one of the earliest red flags was trying to separate my family member from their friends and support network by being 'anxious' about them being out of the house.

That relationship also escalated to violence.

I'd be exceptionally wary of someone trying to limit your social contact with other people.
I'm with previous posters who urge you to report the pushing you off the chair to the police - that's not normal. Wishing you strength and determination.

shinyredbus · 27/07/2020 00:19

You still made him a tea and asked about dinner?!? Wow. Why on earth would you let anyone talk to you like that.

REignbow · 27/07/2020 01:01

You really need to call WA and the police. You need to tell someone in RL, as abuse thrives on secrecy.

He’s been physically violent, He’s gaslighting you and now you are walking on eggshells. This is not right and he’s orchestrated this, so that you never go out and are firmly put into your place.

You do not deserve this treatment. Your sons do not deserve to live in a toxic, dysfunctional and violent environment.

Lifeisabeach09 · 27/07/2020 01:57

You can email your situation to 101. They will be very sensitive to your vulnerability and have specialist teams to work in domestic abuse

^^Do this, OP. So you have it documented as evidence should you need it later on.

As for his mother's comment, maybe, she sees something in him that you haven't until now.

You have two options: give him what he wants so you can live in 'peace' and not have to walk on eggshells around him or leave him (or kick him out (doubt he'll go though). It's clear he is threatened/hates you having any freedom.

My DF was like this--my DM could do fuck all without him or his 'permission.' It only changed when she got older (less attractive to men, perhaps?), more financially independent, and her kids were grown.

BurtsBeesKnees · 27/07/2020 07:13

I'm sorry he's dragging your kids into the mix too. Saying that 'you're in a mood' to them about you, is so disrespectful. They shouldn't be involved at all, but by him doing this he's involving them in the situation.

Jazzybeats · 27/07/2020 07:51

Fuck. Your update leaves me speechless. Absolutely abusive and then gaslighting you.

Leave, as soon as possible. You are not safe with this man.

Turtletotem · 27/07/2020 07:58

I'd speak to your MIL she clearly knows what's going on and wants to support you, no better person than someone that's walked in similar shoes...

pictish · 27/07/2020 08:20

Even if he did seem to see the light, own up and apologise profusely, his work is still done here. Next time you’re out with a friend and it’s getting towards midnight...what are you going to be thinking about?
Exactly.

pictish · 27/07/2020 08:50

Point being, abuse is often insidious like this. It’s not just about the abusive act itself but rather the psychological impact upon the victim thereafter.
He could beg her forgiveness all day today but she’ll still be wary of staying out late after this episode, for fear of what awaits at home.

wineandroses1 · 27/07/2020 09:33

Op he has assaulted you. Please report it to the police. You need to record this because it will help you to get him out of your home. Be brave, for yourself and for your children.

Nanny0gg · 27/07/2020 09:36

@ivfdreaming

I wouldn't have been happy if you swanned in after 2am either

When DH is out I don't sleep properly, half an ear waiting for the key in the door I suppose.

You should be more considerate and sleep in the spare room

He shouldn't have used the C word but don't try and make yourself out to be the victim here by having other posters label him an abuser

I wish people would read the OP's posts(its really easy now) if they can't be arsed to RTFT

It stops them looking stupid.

Angrywife · 27/07/2020 10:00

How are things today Ostracod?

He's showing you who he really is. You've always been the perfect stepford wife before so he hasn't needed to keep you in check but he's losing control now and the real him is coming out.

Its possible he hasn't spoken to his mum, but that she is aware of what he is capable of and knows it will show eventually.

How many relationships has he had in the past? Do you know the truth of why they ended?

What advice would you give to your daughter if she were relaying this experience to you?

Sending hugs xx

Batmannequin · 27/07/2020 10:15

He's the one being unreasonable. You need to put your foot down and make sure he knows his behaviour is completely unacceptable. Nip this controlling behaviour in the bud now before it gets worse.

yesterdaystotalsteps123 · 27/07/2020 10:27

Get support. Contact women's aid. His mum saying that is definitely a positive, she knows him and she's letting you know she will support you. So many abusive men use the flying monkeys to gaslight you. You can do this. You don't have to live like this. Your children don't have to live with a man who abuses mummy. You will be happy, this is quite a hard bit but so worth it to get your life back. If you can, tell your friend, she will support you.

REignbow · 27/07/2020 10:28

@pictish

Your post is spot on.

If you stay OP, you’ll be too scared to come back later than what he’s demanded you do.

I should imagine the times would slowly reduce, until he doesn’t want you going out at all.

This is coercive abuse and is a crime.

Please call WA as I’m sure he does many more things that you haven’t posted about.

LakieLady · 27/07/2020 10:36

You can email your situation to 101. They will be very sensitive to your vulnerability and have specialist teams to work in domestic abuse

This is great advice. That way, the incident will be logged and if (when?) there is a further incident, they will have the history and know it's not a one-off.

vitals · 27/07/2020 10:44

@LakieLady

You can email your situation to 101. They will be very sensitive to your vulnerability and have specialist teams to work in domestic abuse

This is great advice. That way, the incident will be logged and if (when?) there is a further incident, they will have the history and know it's not a one-off.

Do you know this is how it works?

When I (on the advice of my solicitor) called 101 "just to log" events, I had officers turn up at my door because they have a responsibility to investigate all calls reporting domestic abuse.

In fact they had tried to phone me first, but I was unable to answer the phone (ex was right there), so they then drove to the house.

In my experience there is no such things as being able to just log domestic abuse events.

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