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To think mask wearing is going to wear thin before long ?

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Boogiewoogiebugleboy · 25/07/2020 15:26

I’ve already noticed people starting to flag in Scotland. In Tesco today I was bored shitless doing the weekly shop and counting 20 people with masks on Chins and under noses. Kids using them as hankies 🤢. I heard also the government might be advising glove wearing. I imagine this is going to start to become very impractical for some people and they’ll just not bother / or bother going out. My DH is exempt from mask wearing and he went out without today expecting some comments but not a peep from anyone! Also the one way aisles have been removed too meaning more folk all crammed in to a small space not socially distant. I overheard a couple saying “ what’s the point wearing masks when we are so close anyway?”

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OrangeBlossomsinthesun · 26/07/2020 18:12

@asdfghjjkl

Strange that Spain has been wearing them for over 3 weeks and now they are on the quarantine list , they obviously don't work very well
The quarantine has nothing to do with masks. The UK has almost as many cases as Spain and recently put an entire city in lockdown (Leicester).
Loverofoldfilms · 26/07/2020 18:13

@chocolatesaltyballs22

Yeah I give it two weeks. I'm avoiding shops because I don't want to wear a mask, and I suspect many will do the same. I've also seen lots of people not wearing them properly. It's another one of Boris's bits of ammunition to say the government handled the crisis correctly.
My family in Germany wore their masks ever since March. Including Asthma sufferers. People need to grow up and do the right thing.
asdfghjjkl · 26/07/2020 18:13

@OrangeBlossomsinthesun

I live in Spain, it's 40ºC at the moment. We've had to wear them for a few months and since July 15 they've been mandatory everywhere public, even walking along the beach. I still haven't got used to them, I still feel hot and horrible wearing them, but I don't have any choice unless I want to be fined (and general social opprobrium as EVERYONE wears them). I really really really don't understand how it's uneforceable though. People keep saying that, but I don't understand. It's the law? So shops can refuse you entry? Here, you don't get in the shop without one, if it's a big superstore and you walk in, you'll be told to put one on by security guards at the door and if you won't you'll be refused entry. If you're walking along the street without one and the police pass by they will tell you to wear one or fine you €100 (I realise they aren't mandatory in the open air in the UK but I expect the police would say the same thing and again I don't really understand)
Hasn't worked though has it ? It's still spiking in Spain ,
Shona52 · 26/07/2020 18:14

I really don’t see the issue. It’s not very comfortable but is not like we are health workers wearing them 12 hours only while you are in a shop. Not must to deal with

asdfghjjkl · 26/07/2020 18:16

@SantaClaritaDiet

Funny how westerners are unable to cope, but other countries have managed efficiently for decades.

so true. People allegedly "exempt" could perfectly wear a face shield instead, they just chose not to (and apparently some are looking for arguments with strangers too. Not sure why? It makes them feel special and superior maybe?)

Because we are not controlled , we have our freedom unlike other parts of the world. Obviously masks don't work otherwise there would have been no virus in China
Claricestarling1 · 26/07/2020 18:19

Doesn’t matter if you get sick of it..you gotta wear em!! Don’t like it, don’t go out 👍

jewel1968 · 26/07/2020 18:19

I am asmatic and I find wearing a mask difficult but I have tried lots of different types and found one that is relatively comfortable. It's the type that you tie behind your head and has pleats. I also purchased a face shield which is real easy to wear. My advice just try different types. You will find one that is comfortable.

thirdwheel · 26/07/2020 18:20

I work in retail. I have to wear one 8 hours a day as per company guidance. It's hot and uncomfortable, and the days drag like never before. But I do it for the sake of my colleagues and customers. If we can do it, I hope customers can for an hour or 2.

OrangeBlossomsinthesun · 26/07/2020 18:21

The outbreaks are thought to be young people going to bars (and taking their masks off to drink) catching it but being asymptomatic and then going home and giving it to their families. So, not really about masks actually.
Maybe research before you spout?

winkywonky · 26/07/2020 18:26

Masks are uncomfortable and make everyone feel suffocated, but get a grip. How many nurses have asthma and other conditions and wear one every single day. The majority of people can wear one no problem for the sake of 30 mins in a shop! Peoole who genuinely can't, Fair enough. But if you are just moaning, get a grip and stop being selfish. Let's get through this first time and not have a second wave and second lockdown like many others counties are because then we have to listen to you piss and moan even further.

Harls1969 · 26/07/2020 18:28

I hate wearing the bloody things but I also hate not being able to say I hate them for fear of being jumped on by the 'you'll-hate-having-covid-even-more' and 'at-least-you-don't-have-to-wear-them-at-work' brigades. I understand that, but it doesn't make wearing them in the supermarket any more pleasant.

JFM27 · 26/07/2020 18:30

It already has to me,i love a mooch around shops but i certainly will be doing it far less than i normally do,Clothes you can buy online,you cant try them on in shops anyway so you might as well. Cosmetics perfume,household stuff can all be bought on line,Ok ill have to shop to buy food but ive stocked up probably for couple weeks,Might just have to pop in shop for odd item but that wont be a long visit.I certainly wont be doing my 2 mooches from shop to shop i used to enjoy,suffering from hot tamoxifen induced flushes,a 10 min bus journey is enough.

What gets me about mask wearing is the contradictions. I met two friends in city for a meal last night,unmasked obviously.One friend and i get same bus home,but we had to mask,only one other person on bus besides us,we couldnt sit tgether as seats socially distanced.Yet we had spent all evening unmasked together.Does that make sense.

And if Spain has been fully masked when leaving home,why have cases increased.I live in an area of UK with one of lowest case rates and deaths,yet mask wearing wasnt the norm,so why were we not going down like flies with virus.Wearing gloves has been i believe said by scientists to be unecessary,same pair of gloves carry germs galore,so washing hands far better.

Its just a ploy to look as though Johnson cares,when we all know he doesnt, its a stunt to take peoples minds off the other disasters of this government,which are many.

Aridane · 26/07/2020 18:32

I work in retail. I have to wear one 8 hours a day as per company guidance. It's hot and uncomfortable, and the days drag like never before. But I do it for the sake of my colleagues and customers. If we can do it, I hope customers can for an hour or 2.

@thirdwheel - I would like to think that people would have the decency and respect for the law to do so. Sadly though - if this thread is anything to go by - selfish is as selfish does

BlackPetunia · 26/07/2020 18:57

@OrangeBlossomsinthesun ‘thought to be’.... so it’s not proven?

Got a link to your research?

HeIenaDove · 26/07/2020 19:11

and covered in facial sores

Im not risking impetigo (i had it 5 times in 9 years) because the bacteria colonized in my nose. For the fucking high street. Especially when the hypocrites at PHE do not want antibiotics prescribed for it anymore despite the risks of serious complications for adults being higher including sepsis.

Im supermarket shopping only, since Friday.

grannieali · 26/07/2020 19:19

I find a mask really uncomfortable and feel 25 minutes on a bus to town very trying. As there were three people on the bus many rows apart, I am afraid I lowered the mask. However, that was before the new regulations. If this goes on, I am wondering if a visor would do instead. I have been doing all my food shopping in the village shop since March. Yesterday I crossed the road to the village shop without thinking and was reminded of the mask rule. I only had to cross the road again to get one, but I am wondering about the attitude of people who arrive at a store without after a longish journey. The shop assistants are not obliged to wear masks being protected by a screen, but presumably if the come out to stock shelves etc. will need to whip one out. I think hand gel may be more effective considering customers have to open and close the heavy door and the frozen and chilled cupboards. Anyway at the counter we have to handle goods through the gap in the screen and handle them again to pack our own bags ( not sanitised!) In the village cafe, one has to wear a mask to get through the door, then take it off when sitting down. It's a bit of a farce.

HeIenaDove · 26/07/2020 19:21

@MeadowHay What do your relatives think of the NHS workers who have been mask shaming on social media?

OrangeBlossomsinthesun · 26/07/2020 19:24

Got a link to your research? www.lavanguardia.com/vida/20200724/482480904811/ocio-nocturno-principal-motivo-rebrotes-video-seo-ext.html

jewel1968 · 26/07/2020 19:25

I think there is a lot scientists don't know about COVID and I think the evidence around mask wearing is probably fairly new but it broadly makes sense to me. I agree though that constant fiddling with the mask is a problem which is one reason some experts in the US prefer the shield.

There is much illogical about all of this:

  • why now and not before
  • why can I eat out and not wear a mask but must in other settings
  • why are we now saying masks are good with experts for ages have been emphatic about them not being of any use and some thought dangerous because of behavioural change

There is lots we don't know about COVID:

  • why are some people asymptomatic and others have to fight for their life
  • why are some groups way more impacted than others

My position is this:

  • I will wear a face covering because it is required and it might help
  • I will socially distance
  • I will wash my hands
  • I won't travel much this year
  • I will work from home
  • I will nag my teenagers to do the same
  • I will try and look after my mental health

This may or may not make any difference but I hope it will. Stay safe everyone.

Ezzabean · 26/07/2020 19:25

I’ve been wearing them for 12 hours a day at work since April so not sure what you are all moaning about. And we are wearing the same masks I’m seeing most people out & about in.
Everyone has to do their bit & I don’t see this as a big ask compared to the sacrifices some people have had to make.

OrangeBlossomsinthesun · 26/07/2020 19:26

Outbreaks have been traced to parties and discos.

Susan1961 · 26/07/2020 19:31

I'm a care worker, I've found them strange & uncomfortable at first, but eventually got used to them. Some are made of a more breathable fabric than others, my local record store sells alternative designs too.

HeIenaDove · 26/07/2020 19:32

www.disabilitynewsservice.com/coronavirus-fears-over-face-covering-hate-crime-as-new-laws-go-live/

Coronavirus: Fears over ‘face covering hate crime’ as new laws go live
By John Pring on 23rd July 2020
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Disabled people have raised serious concerns about the rising tide of coronavirus-related disability hate crime, amid fears that this could increase even further when new laws on the wearing of face coverings go live tomorrow.

From tomorrow (Friday), it will be compulsory to wear a face covering in shops and supermarkets in England.

Many disabled people are exempt, the government has made clear.

But despite those exemptions, many disabled people who cannot wear face coverings have already been subjected to disability-related hostility online and while travelling on public transport, where it is already compulsory – except for those with exemptions – to wear a face covering.

Stephen Brookes, a former coordinator of the Disability Hate Crime Network and now an ambassador for Disability Rights UK, has written to key figures in government, the police, the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) and disability organisations about his concerns on “mask hostility”.

He says in his letter: “In my 12 years of dealing with disability hate crime up to June 2018, it was clear that abuse of disabled people has always been problematic at times of tension, but we are now in uncharted territory, which is supported by examples we are seeing at all levels.”

Brookes (pictured, left), who is also the minister for disabled people’s rail sector champion, although he was not speaking in that capacity, added: “We must both re-assure and support disabled people in terms of real hostility and remind perpetrators that verbal abuse can still be recognised as a potential hate crime and as such will not be tolerated.

“Can we all take stock and ensure that disabled people are not bullied out of any normal life we should be able to expect, and remind the public and those who affect our lives that the added pressure of fear should not be added to an already difficult situation.”

He has also now raised concerns about comments made during a radio interview yesterday (Wednesday) by the Metropolitan police’s commissioner, Cressida Dick.

Asked about customers who were refusing to wear masks in shops, she told LBC: “My hope is that the vast majority of people will comply, and that people who are not complying will be shamed into complying or shamed to leave the store by the store keepers or by other members of the public.”

Brookes said: “This statement by Met chief Cressida Dick is most seriously unhelpful, and potentially could lead to hostility and hate crime against those who can’t wear face masks.

“She needs to change and clarify that view most urgently.”

Last week, Fazilet Hadi (pictured, centre), head of policy for Disability Rights UK, called on the government to recognise the need for “balanced messaging” on face coverings, including “that some disabled people cannot wear face coverings and that this should be respected”.

She told the minister for disabled people, Justin Tomlinson, in a letter: “If the messaging doesn’t change, millions of disabled people will not be able to safely leave their homes.

“For those of us that do, we will experience fear, anxiety, possible conflict with public and police and demands to prove our impairment/illness.”

Inclusion London is the lead organisation for the London DDPO Hate Crime Partnership, working with 20 Deaf and disabled people’s organisations (DDPOs) across the capital.

During the coronavirus crisis, it has been running a weekly survey of DDPOs that run hate crime advocacy services on the incidence and types of hate crime disabled people have experienced during lockdown, and now it is being eased.

Its latest weekly survey found 62 per cent of DDPOs reported an increase in disability hate crime referrals on the previous week.

Among the trends, Inclusion London has seen a rise in disability hate crime by neighbours of disabled people, and an increase in cases of disabled people being spat at while out in public because of the mistaken idea that disabled people are “virus spreaders”.

There has also been an increase in online hate crime, with disabled people “told that their lives are inferior and [that they] are taking up resources from non-disabled people”.

Disabled people have also reported being targeted while shopping if they have personal assistants or carers with them or if they need priority in shopping queues.

Inclusion London said: “Disability hate crime during the coronavirus pandemic has not come from nowhere – the image of disabled people as virus spreaders and taking resources from non-disabled people must be tackled.”

It added: “The core belief that disabled people’s lives are of less value than non-disabled people must be continually challenged through working closely with DDPOs.”

Another to have become concerned about online disability hate crime is disabled campaigner Victoria Langley.

She said she had been told on social media that disabled people like her should be locked inside until there was a vaccine because they “are more likely to catch it and pass it on”.

One nurse told her on Instagram that all those not wearing masks should be forced to sign away their rights to health equipment and treatment by health professionals who are “risking their lives because of you

Another woman told her on Instagram: “Trees are awesome and worth sobbing over.

“Bus drivers getting killed because they’re doing their job are worth sobbing over, people who don’t wear a mask because they are disabled, not worth sobbing for.

“I looked at your profile, you seemed fine???”

Langley said she found the widespread hostile comments on social media “scary” as a disabled person.

She said: “It’s made me petrified to go out.

“I’m scared to go out because people are not just being hostile, they do not care that being disabled makes it hard.

“I feel totally scared and boxed in with zero support.

“The government are ending all support and saying go out, but the general public want us locked in. I feel helpless and scared.”

Disabled researcher, author and campaigner David Wilkin (pictured, right) has been collecting examples of disabled people who have been subjected to disability-related hostility linked to the government’s COVID-19 regulations.

Wilkin, the lead coordinator of the Disability Hate Crime Network, has already collected more than 50 such cases.

One disabled passenger on public transport, who cannot wear a face covering, was targeted by another passenger, who shouted: “This person hasn’t got a mask. This person is trying to infect us. They are trying to kill us.”

A disabled train passenger who did not have a face mask because of breathing difficulties was confronted by another passenger, who refused to listen to their explanation, took a spare mask out of their pocket and forced them to put it on

Wilkin said: “They were under so much pressure that they put the face mask on and left the train.

“They felt that was the only way to placate the offender.”

Wilkin said he was concerned there would be further cases when the ban in shops and supermarkets comes into force tomorrow.

He said: “It’s definitely a concern. It’s bad enough to be grounded because you don’t want to use public transport, but you have to eat.

“The general concern is that the government, while they have delivered clear messages about face coverings… are not making the same number of messages about the exemptions.

“That is causing real problems.”

But he said he believed the government and public bodies were listening, as he has online meetings next week with both the Cabinet Office and CPS.

A CPS spokesperson told Disability News Service (DNS): “The law exempts those who cannot put on or wear a face covering because of physical or mental illness or impairment, or disability while using public transport.

“The same exemption will apply when face coverings become mandatory in shops.

“Our updated guidance to prosecutors will make this clear.

“If disabled people are victims of hate crime as a result then the CPS won’t hesitate to prosecute perpetrators if our legal test is met.”

Deputy chief constable Mark Hamilton, hate crime lead for the National Police Chiefs’ Council, told DNS in a statement: “We understand that many disabled people, and particularly those with ‘hidden’ disabilities, could be worried about being challenged by others if they are not wearing face coverings in a setting that requires it.

“Government guidelines set out a number of exemptions to the wearing of masks, including on grounds of disability.

“Some external organisations have developed ways to indicate that an individual is exempt, such as wearing badges.

“The government and the police have developed extensive guidance on these requirements, and police officers across the country have received training on how to recognise where an individual may have an exemption due to disability.”

He added: “Any disabled person who is victim of hate crime should report it to the police by either calling 999 (in an emergency) or 101.

“Additionally, you can report crime online at True Vision (report-it.org.uk). True Vision also contains helpful information and guidance materials on disability hate crime and COVID-19

Nanalisa60 · 26/07/2020 19:37

I will wear a mask because I have to, but I think that people are now thinking that they don’t need to wash their hands so much. Hand washing is the most important part.

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