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To think mask wearing is going to wear thin before long ?

655 replies

Boogiewoogiebugleboy · 25/07/2020 15:26

I’ve already noticed people starting to flag in Scotland. In Tesco today I was bored shitless doing the weekly shop and counting 20 people with masks on Chins and under noses. Kids using them as hankies 🤢. I heard also the government might be advising glove wearing. I imagine this is going to start to become very impractical for some people and they’ll just not bother / or bother going out. My DH is exempt from mask wearing and he went out without today expecting some comments but not a peep from anyone! Also the one way aisles have been removed too meaning more folk all crammed in to a small space not socially distant. I overheard a couple saying “ what’s the point wearing masks when we are so close anyway?”

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Ritascornershop · 25/07/2020 17:58

Haven’t rtwt, but people have said it’s just the Brits whinging. I live in a part of Canada with a very low number of cases, the government is encouraging people to wear masks, the majority where I am are not, the same shaming on fb from the minority who are wearing them. I’ll wear one if I feel a bit poorly but have to go out, but we have under 5 cases on an island of around 800,000, so imo the risk to everyone is pretty minimal.

dododotheconga · 25/07/2020 17:59

I went to the supermarket in a mask for the first time today. I hated it- I felt dizzy and suffocated by it. I also thought how quiet it was, eerily so. Hardly anyone talking at all. I will of course wear my mask as we all should but it doesn't mean I like it. It just is what it is.

Notnownotneverever · 25/07/2020 17:59

It doesn’t bother me wearing them at all. I am worried about forgetting them for me and my family of 5 (teenagers so not exempt). I only had three on me today so went in and out with the kids separately. But worried I’ll go in to town and forget or lose a mask and then get stuck.

HavelockVetinari · 25/07/2020 18:00

Folk who feel suffocated - you'll get used to it, you need to persevere. The Nation's health is far more important than your temporary discomfort.

As others have said, doctors and nurses get used to it, you will too.

SchadenfreudePersonified · 25/07/2020 18:02

I've used old cotton pillowcases and clothes for the fabric, and for some I've used cords/shoe laces as ties, while for others I've used 6mm elastic and made ear loops. Today I've been making some masks that are sort of bowl shaped, so they don't sit so tight around the nose area.

I find the shaped ones both easier to make and more effective and comfortable to wear than the rectangular pleated ones.

The only bonus is if I have forgotten to wax my moustache no one can tell!

I hope you're bloke! Grin

WanderingMilly · 25/07/2020 18:02

I've been wearing masks for months, and gloves too.
Persevere and you will get used to it. And bloody stop moaning!

roundturnandtwohalfhitches · 25/07/2020 18:03

I'm in Scotland. I've been wearing one for a couple of months when out and about. You get used to them v quickly. All this nonsense about making people wear them will wreck the economy is stupid. Spreading the virus and getting us all locked down again will do more damage. Its a fucking global pandemic folks not business as usual. Do your bit, wash your hands, socially distance and wear a fucking mask.

SchadenfreudePersonified · 25/07/2020 18:04

I went to the supermarket in a mask for the first time today. I hated it- I felt dizzy and suffocated by it. I also thought how quiet it was, eerily so. Hardly anyone talking at all.

Mustn't be northern supermarket dododo. We were all laughing about feeling like extras in the "Twilight Zone", and that at one time if you walked into a shop with a mask on they would leap for the panic button etc.

Ritascornershop · 25/07/2020 18:05

I’m in a queue (socially distanced) watching a woman and her little girl, child aged about 8, wearing masks. In the 3 minutes we’ve been waiting the girl has not stopped fiddling with her face & the mask.

Ilovemypantry · 25/07/2020 18:05

I think we are all going to have to get used to wearing them. The choice is wear a mask or don’t go shopping. I don’t particularly like wearing a mask but if it’s going to keep me and everyone around me safe, I’m willing to put up with it.

1forAll74 · 25/07/2020 18:07

I wore a mask for the first time today, The village shop rules now. It was a (designer one) ha ha, my neighbour made it for me. I didn't like wearing it , as I couldn't wear my glasses with it, as they are fairly heavy,and now wonky, as need some new ones, so had to shop without seeing too well. Also, for the first time in 60 years,I have had hayfever for a few weeks,, runny eyes and nose etc, so not much fun at all.

Jojobar · 25/07/2020 18:09

We don't have to get used to it though. Many people are able to shop online and have little actual need to go to shops.

And it's all a bit sledgehammer to crack a nut in many areas of the county where incidences of the virus are tiny. You're only potentially at risk of catching it if you're in the vicinity of someone who has it, but if locally that's less than a handful of people, it's not very likely.

I don't agree with the rule but as it is in place I'm not going to subvert it by refusing to cover my face, I'll just vote with my feet and avoid places where it's required other than for essential purposes.

PinkSparklyPussyCat · 25/07/2020 18:11

@labyrinthloafer

Yes, me too. I felt weird, but I read if you breathe slowly through your nose it's better, and it was.

I am happy to try for the sake of others.

Not when you can't breathe through your nose it isn't! My nose is permanently blocked because of hay fever during the summer. I wore a mask in the office yesterday and I struggled. Thankfully we don't have to wear them while we're at our desk so I hardly moved all day!
Charleyhorses · 25/07/2020 18:11

I am getting used to it. There is no choice. In a few weeks it will be normal.

Annebronte · 25/07/2020 18:12

I’ve got used to wearing one very easily. Really don’t see why people are moaning: for most of us, it’s no big deal. I’ve been to the supermarket today plus butchers, greengrocers and all shoppers were wearing them. I reckon we’ll be wearing them until at least next spring.

Willow2017 · 25/07/2020 18:12

[quote JammyHands]@Boogie if your husband tried that with me, he'd get an earful. I not only wear a mask every time I'm in a shop or on a bus, I am continuing to distance as much as possible when other people do not. NOBODY is so special they have the right to risk the lives of other people so stop whinging and get on with, as most of us are already doing.[/quote]
Its none of your business why someone isnt wearing a mask and not your place to 'police' anyone.
If you started on me or my child who is exempt you would get told where to stick your opinion too.

happylittletree · 25/07/2020 18:13
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Lemonmaid · 25/07/2020 18:13

I must be in the minority as I actually like wearing a mask. Hides my double chin anyway.

RhianFuckingMorris · 25/07/2020 18:14

Agree. It will be like social distancing. The first week or so some people managed it now no one gives a shit.

BBCONEANDTWO · 25/07/2020 18:14

Maybe it's the type of mask people are wearing - experiment a bit? Also what about wearing. scarf instead? Imagine what it must be like for nurses/doctors wearing the full surgical mask, the face mask AND the visor all day while at work. It's not that hard to wear it when you're shopping if you try to think of it like that and we are protecting others.

HeIenaDove · 25/07/2020 18:15

www.disabilitynewsservice.com/coronavirus-fears-over-face-covering-hate-crime-as-new-laws-go-live/

Coronavirus: Fears over ‘face covering hate crime’ as new laws go live
By John Pring on 23rd July 2020
Category: Crime

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Disabled people have raised serious concerns about the rising tide of coronavirus-related disability hate crime, amid fears that this could increase even further when new laws on the wearing of face coverings go live tomorrow.

From tomorrow (Friday), it will be compulsory to wear a face covering in shops and supermarkets in England.

Many disabled people are exempt, the government has made clear.

But despite those exemptions, many disabled people who cannot wear face coverings have already been subjected to disability-related hostility online and while travelling on public transport, where it is already compulsory – except for those with exemptions – to wear a face covering.

Stephen Brookes, a former coordinator of the Disability Hate Crime Network and now an ambassador for Disability Rights UK, has written to key figures in government, the police, the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) and disability organisations about his concerns on “mask hostility”.

He says in his letter: “In my 12 years of dealing with disability hate crime up to June 2018, it was clear that abuse of disabled people has always been problematic at times of tension, but we are now in uncharted territory, which is supported by examples we are seeing at all levels.”

Brookes (pictured, left), who is also the minister for disabled people’s rail sector champion, although he was not speaking in that capacity, added: “We must both re-assure and support disabled people in terms of real hostility and remind perpetrators that verbal abuse can still be recognised as a potential hate crime and as such will not be tolerated.

“Can we all take stock and ensure that disabled people are not bullied out of any normal life we should be able to expect, and remind the public and those who affect our lives that the added pressure of fear should not be added to an already difficult situation.”

He has also now raised concerns about comments made during a radio interview yesterday (Wednesday) by the Metropolitan police’s commissioner, Cressida Dick.

Asked about customers who were refusing to wear masks in shops, she told LBC: “My hope is that the vast majority of people will comply, and that people who are not complying will be shamed into complying or shamed to leave the store by the store keepers or by other members of the public.”

Brookes said: “This statement by Met chief Cressida Dick is most seriously unhelpful, and potentially could lead to hostility and hate crime against those who can’t wear face masks.

“She needs to change and clarify that view most urgently.”

Last week, Fazilet Hadi (pictured, centre), head of policy for Disability Rights UK, called on the government to recognise the need for “balanced messaging” on face coverings, including “that some disabled people cannot wear face coverings and that this should be respected”.

She told the minister for disabled people, Justin Tomlinson, in a letter: “If the messaging doesn’t change, millions of disabled people will not be able to safely leave their homes.

“For those of us that do, we will experience fear, anxiety, possible conflict with public and police and demands to prove our impairment/illness.”

Inclusion London is the lead organisation for the London DDPO Hate Crime Partnership, working with 20 Deaf and disabled people’s organisations (DDPOs) across the capital.

During the coronavirus crisis, it has been running a weekly survey of DDPOs that run hate crime advocacy services on the incidence and types of hate crime disabled people have experienced during lockdown, and now it is being eased.

Its latest weekly survey found 62 per cent of DDPOs reported an increase in disability hate crime referrals on the previous week.

Among the trends, Inclusion London has seen a rise in disability hate crime by neighbours of disabled people, and an increase in cases of disabled people being spat at while out in public because of the mistaken idea that disabled people are “virus spreaders”.

There has also been an increase in online hate crime, with disabled people “told that their lives are inferior and [that they] are taking up resources from non-disabled people”.

Disabled people have also reported being targeted while shopping if they have personal assistants or carers with them or if they need priority in shopping queues.

Inclusion London said: “Disability hate crime during the coronavirus pandemic has not come from nowhere – the image of disabled people as virus spreaders and taking resources from non-disabled people must be tackled.”

It added: “The core belief that disabled people’s lives are of less value than non-disabled people must be continually challenged through working closely with DDPOs.”

Another to have become concerned about online disability hate crime is disabled campaigner Victoria Langley.

She said she had been told on social media that disabled people like her should be locked inside until there was a vaccine because they “are more likely to catch it and pass it on”.

One nurse told her on Instagram that all those not wearing masks should be forced to sign away their rights to health equipment and treatment by health professionals who are “risking their lives because of you”.

Another woman told her on Instagram: “Trees are awesome and worth sobbing over.

“Bus drivers getting killed because they’re doing their job are worth sobbing over, people who don’t wear a mask because they are disabled, not worth sobbing for.

“I looked at your profile, you seemed fine???”

Langley said she found the widespread hostile comments on social media “scary” as a disabled person.

She said: “It’s made me petrified to go out.

“I’m scared to go out because people are not just being hostile, they do not care that being disabled makes it hard.

“I feel totally scared and boxed in with zero support.

“The government are ending all support and saying go out, but the general public want us locked in. I feel helpless and scared.”

Disabled researcher, author and campaigner David Wilkin (pictured, right) has been collecting examples of disabled people who have been subjected to disability-related hostility linked to the government’s COVID-19 regulations.

Wilkin, the lead coordinator of the Disability Hate Crime Network, has already collected more than 50 such cases.

One disabled passenger on public transport, who cannot wear a face covering, was targeted by another passenger, who shouted: “This person hasn’t got a mask. This person is trying to infect us. They are trying to kill us.”

A disabled train passenger who did not have a face mask because of breathing difficulties was confronted by another passenger, who refused to listen to their explanation, took a spare mask out of their pocket and forced them to put it on.

Wilkin said: “They were under so much pressure that they put the face mask on and left the train.

“They felt that was the only way to placate the offender.”

Wilkin said he was concerned there would be further cases when the ban in shops and supermarkets comes into force tomorrow.

He said: “It’s definitely a concern. It’s bad enough to be grounded because you don’t want to use public transport, but you have to eat.

“The general concern is that the government, while they have delivered clear messages about face coverings… are not making the same number of messages about the exemptions.

“That is causing real problems.”

But he said he believed the government and public bodies were listening, as he has online meetings next week with both the Cabinet Office and CPS.

A CPS spokesperson told Disability News Service (DNS): “The law exempts those who cannot put on or wear a face covering because of physical or mental illness or impairment, or disability while using public transport.

“The same exemption will apply when face coverings become mandatory in shops.

“Our updated guidance to prosecutors will make this clear.

“If disabled people are victims of hate crime as a result then the CPS won’t hesitate to prosecute perpetrators if our legal test is met.”

Deputy chief constable Mark Hamilton, hate crime lead for the National Police Chiefs’ Council, told DNS in a statement: “We understand that many disabled people, and particularly those with ‘hidden’ disabilities, could be worried about being challenged by others if they are not wearing face coverings in a setting that requires it.

“Government guidelines set out a number of exemptions to the wearing of masks, including on grounds of disability.

“Some external organisations have developed ways to indicate that an individual is exempt, such as wearing badges.

“The government and the police have developed extensive guidance on these requirements, and police officers across the country have received training on how to recognise where an individual may have an exemption due to disability.”

He added: “Any disabled person who is victim of hate crime should report it to the police by either calling 999 (in an emergency) or 101.

“Additionally, you can report crime online at True Vision (report-it.org.uk). True Vision also contains helpful information and guidance materials on disability hate crime and COVID-19

TempsPerdu · 25/07/2020 18:16

Folk who feel suffocated - you'll get used to it, you need to persevere. The Nation's health is far more important than your temporary discomfort

I’m not going to argue with this, although I remain dubious as to their actual efficacy in preserving said health. I’m law abiding and I will wear a mask where it’s mandated. But those of us who don’t like the things are well within our rights to express this opinion, to avoid as far as possible places where they’re required and to maintain that they’re not conducive to resuming any kind of (pleasant, relaxed, sociable) normal life.

SarahBellam · 25/07/2020 18:17

It’s not the best addition to my wardrobe, but then if I could get away without wearing a bra or shoes I probably wouldn’t wear those either. Masks are about protecting yourself and other people in the middle of a global pandemic. Anything that helps get rid of this awful bug is fine by me and if a mask reduces the chances of spreading it then why wouldn’t you? There are still 150+ people a day dying of the virus. They’re just not announcing it anymore. I really don’t want this to drag out any longer than it needs to.

Doyouthinktheysaurus · 25/07/2020 18:17

Lots of medical staff have had to get used to wearing them since covid. I work in mental health and we had no uniforms or masks until recently, now we wear scrubs, leave our clothes at work and wear masks for 12.5 hour shifts.

Yes they can be uncomfortable but we have had to adjust. I'm sure people without medical reasons for exemption can make the same adjustment.

Fine to moan, I do at work but I deal with it.

TBH cloth masks are a dream compared to surgical masks which are scratchy after a short while.

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