To ask if you are OK with your daughter's subs being spent on this?

[KatieAlcock]

I've just come to update you on my case against Girlguiding, where they expelled me for raising safeguarding concerns and for asking why we had to believe in inner gender identity to be a leader.
Girlguiding have spent AT LEAST £35,000 and probably more like £100,000 of the subs you pay for your daughter to go to Rainbows, Brownies or Guides, on defending a case against me, a committed leader who wants to make sure girls are safe and leaders have freedom of expression.

Full text of my update in the next post so as not to bore you to death!

@Datun

Putting the word safeguarding in inverted commas is very revealing.

Isn't it just. I'd be very concerned if I were a current safeguarding lead about that.

Oh dear. So we cannot post anything to disprove another poster’s narrative that it never happens? Good to know.

I got deleted on this thread too. Asked for clarification and didn’t get any.

Just another way to hide something that I tried to point out was in very plain sight if anyone cared to go to twitter to do research on people who survive boasting about their 'needs' while people discussing why these people need to be banned are themselves banned.

Question is the one I always ask: Who benefits from not allowing discussion about these people.

So.... it is the 'emperor's erection as well as no clothes' situation then?

A children's organisation keeping secrets from children's parents & carers without the involvement of social services - NOT safeguarding

Encouraging children to keep secrets from children's parents & carers without the involvement of social services - NOT safeguarding

It's a matter of law.

I cannot understand the recent deletions at all, saw the posts in question and..not getting it?

Mind, it seems the enhanced rules for FWR are now appearing on AIBU too, which is..something at least. Never really got why only one section had stricter rules, just because some men had an issue with that section.

I thought I saw the deleted posts but now I'm not sure.
There's a brief update but it's late and I'll need to copy and paste the right wording so I'll try and get on the laptop to do that in the morning.

Mind, it seems the enhanced rules for FWR are now appearing on AIBU too

On all threads, or just on threads MN deem to be ‘trans’ related?

If the posting rules have changed, MN really should update their users, especially as you can now be paying membership and lose your subs if the 3 strikes and banned rule is in place.

Agree. I got a strike for using a well known phrase which was not banned until I got banned for using it. I asked for an explanation and got none.

The other day I also got deleted for posting an Arty Morty tweet, one that I presume still stands as I have not seen Arty say anything. I can see how it must be a very hard job to balance and I could understand why that post might not have stood. But the lack of discussion about a group of predators who laughingly are out and proud of their rebranded ‘kink’ that seemingly cannot be touched on twitter, Reddit, porn sites is a concern.

I did say I'd post my update but somehow never got to it. Anyway, here it is.

Girlguiding has written to my lawyers to say that they object to my statement on [my case page] that my daughter is prevented from attending Rainbows because of my expulsion. The reason she is prevented is because many Rainbows events require parents helping to run meetings.

Girls who are more dependent on their parents (as my daughter is) find it hard to participate without their parents having the option to attend for any part of a meeting or an event. The terms of my expulsion are that I am prevented from doing so, even as a parent. My daughter therefore cannot attend because, were she to do so, I could not be present. She would inevitably be asked why her mummy cannot be there and why her mummy has to leave as soon as a meeting starts, when the other mummies do not.

She is six years old. She cannot be expected to explain the reason for my expulsion, and it would expose her to the risk of harm if she had to try to explain to her friends why I have been expelled. This situation is particularly acute during lockdown, when meetings are taking place over video call, which requires a parent to participate for a young girl to realistically take any part. I cannot be present, and therefore she cannot attend.

I have asked for a couple of posts to be removed due to hateful language, which MN have agreed was beyond site guidelines.

While I appreciate some of those on this thread are also worried about other deletions, I can't actually remember what those were.

But I do hope that even those that think I'm not a suitable member of Girlguiding and that I shouldn't be surprised if they spend excessive amounts of donors' money on defending the case, might spare a thought for my totally blameless 6 year old who has been discriminated against as well.

What an absolute load of tosh. My dd has attended from Rainbows up to guides. Never once has it been a requirement that you volunteer or girls don’t attend. Many parents work, many children are reliant on one parent. At ours all parents leave other than the parent on the volunteer rota. If you work or are a single parent they understand. I never volunteered once.

If your dd can’t cope with seeing a volunteer parent there or without having her mum present she is too young to attend. What on earth does she do at school or on school trips?

Can wholeheartedly see why gg have rejected your claim.

@Lem0nZest are you my daughter's mother? Do you know her as well as I do?
Are you an ex-Guider who has relied on parents to run the unit?
Do you think that some girls should get to have their parents there if they need them while others have to see the parents run out the door even if they DO need them? Do you think that's fair?
Have you ever run a residential where you couldn't go ahead without a parent coming?
Have you ever been banned from helping with a child's activity?
Have you had to say to your child, no you can't join X and it's because... well I can't explain why it is but it's a complicated reason that you might understand when you are older?

parents don’t get to stay by default.
I don't know any Rainbow leader (and I can't think of any Brownie leader either) who wouldn't let a parent stay as long as necessary for a girl's first couple of meetings, who wouldn't accept gratefully help that was needed for outings, and who wouldn't take (except in VERY exceptional circumstances) a parent along on a residential.

I have always allowed parents of Rainbows (and the just-7 Brownies, the older ones who start are usually someone's best friend) to stay for the first meeting or two (usually it's 20 minutes of the first meeting, occasionally it's one whole meeting plus 10 minutes of the second, very occasionally it's "yes I'll stay dear" for a couple of meetings and gradually withdrawing to the kitchen or foyer when DD gets stuck in!). I've had to do this for a couple of Guides with learning challenges as well, though for them it usually is "I'll be just here dear" and slipping out once she's fine.

I'm reporting the rest of your post for a personal attack.

Spying? Telling language. What on earth would be going on in a Rainbows meeting that would need spying on?

But parents don’t get to stay by default. It would be heaving and not good for the majority

I do wonder if some parents think all rainbow/ brownie meetings that are run up and down the country are exact replicas of their own. Many posters appear to have no concept of the notion that other meetings are run differently. Odd.

How on earth is that a personal attack?Your actions stir up trans hatred. I wouldn’t want your contact or that kind of behaviour in my dd’s pack.

@Lem0nZest

But parents don’t get to stay by default. It would be heaving and not good for the majority.

You want trans girls excluded and to get over it so what’s good for the goose- your dd will have to suck it up.

Frankly I wouldn’t want you anywhere near my dd’s GG pack- spying and stirring up trans hatred.Why should my dd miss out because your dd allegedly can’t attend without you?

Ridiculous.

Trans girls aren't female, so should be excluded on that basis.

Why is a male's wants being put above a females in a female only organisation?