To ask if you are OK with your daughter's subs being spent on this?

[KatieAlcock]

I've just come to update you on my case against Girlguiding, where they expelled me for raising safeguarding concerns and for asking why we had to believe in inner gender identity to be a leader.
Girlguiding have spent AT LEAST £35,000 and probably more like £100,000 of the subs you pay for your daughter to go to Rainbows, Brownies or Guides, on defending a case against me, a committed leader who wants to make sure girls are safe and leaders have freedom of expression.

Full text of my update in the next post so as not to bore you to death!

@SmallSc00p

No they absolutely shouldn’t volunteer elsewhere.

And as for letting everybody know. Posters on here proclaiming that trans women are a huge risk of being abusers kind of make that a tad difficult don’t they.

So, you're happy for your 10 female yo to be sharing a bedroom, changing facilities, bathrooms and toilets with a 14yo male? And happy that if she doesn't like it, she should be the one to leave guides and not go in trips etc?

@SmallSc00p

And obviously you have no qualms about sending an 8yo female into the men's toilets, and obviously you happily go into the male communal changing rooms at the swimming pool.

Because obviously it would be transphobia to feel uncomfortable in those situations....

Posters on here proclaiming that trans women are a huge risk of being abusers

No. we mean that males (people with penises) have a higher prevalence to commit sex based offences than females and therefore appropriate safeguarding for certain situations need to be clearly communicated.

@IAmFleshIAmBone

It's very worrying how many people are so keen to give away the rights of women and girls... GG could be a safe haven for young girls, but let's worry about the male feelings, the males who could attend scouts if they wish, but that wouldn't validate their 'gender identity'. Extremely questionable motives, and makes me highly suspicious of those who support it too.

Yes well, what we all need to learn is that GNC male children are just much more important than female ones. Especially if their parents are homophobic.

But all men are not a threat to women.The vast majority are of no threat at all

No you're quite right. We should immediately campaign to have DBS checks banned. After all the poor youth leaders, teachers, social workers must feel so victimised by organisations assuming they're a threat.

If you want to pretend that men wont go to extreme lengths, including becoming teachers, scout leaders, sports coaches, clergy, doctors, to have access to victims then you're fucking deluded and should be no Where near safeguarding children.
They'll do any fucking thing.

There you go.

Inflammatory rhetoric inferring that trans volunteers are predatory peadophiles. You have no evidence that any are, not one.

I’ll leave you to your witch hunt and fund raising op. We all know why you’re here.

Stop making things up @SmallSc00p nobody said that. The chances of a paedophile passing all checks are high because as we all know many many people never report their abuse. So nothing to stop one saying they are a woman and accessing female spaces. This is what TRAs want. It never seems to work the other way with trans men though.
Males pose a risk to females. That's a fact of life seen the world over. Males also pose a risk to other males, also seen the world over. Trans women are a subset of males not females. We need to stop telling people especially children that it is possible to change your sex.

I’m a trustee for a charity working with children. Charities and children’s organisations should absolutely be held to account for introducing sloppy, ill conceived policies that require staff and volunteers to dance around the law to implement them.

GG could easily have changed their policy and practice to include trans people, with proper policy in place that is clear, training for leaders and they could have been honest to parents. Within the law.

The fact that they have fudged it and hope parents don’t find out, or question it is foolish at best and downright dangerous if a child or member of staff is put at risk.

Safeguarding is a right all children should have without exception. Adults at GG are deciding where it doesn’t really matter if they choose to ignore it. Leaders who question or don’t understand how to safely abide by the policy are excluded. If I was a trustee of a charity doing this, I would be very concerned indeed.

@SmallSc00p

If you want to pretend that men wont go to extreme lengths, including becoming teachers, scout leaders, sports coaches, clergy, doctors, to have access to victims then you're fucking deluded and should be no Where near safeguarding children. They'll do any fucking thing.

There you go.

Inflammatory rhetoric inferring that trans volunteers are predatory peadophiles. You have no evidence that any are, not one.

I’ll leave you to your witch hunt and fund raising op. We all know why you’re here.

Wow.

So you're saying that no trans woman can be a paedophile, because of the fact they identify as a woman.

Ok, brilliant. Then you'll be happy to have no background checks on any adult that has a position of trust with children.

Amazing, let's replace the safeguarding system with Self ID.

Because @SmallSc00p has found us the solution. The only thing we need to do to protect children from sexual harm is call the adult in charge a woman 👍👍

Thanks for saving thousands of people from hours and hours if paperwork!

And thanks so much for keeping all our children safe from harm!!! 😃

You have no evidence that any are, not one.

Do you not read the papers smallscoop?

Either way, if you signed up to MN today to shame women for discussing safeguarding, nice try. You have not provided anything to back up your assertions nor have you really even grasped where GG policies are being challenged (or indicated that you do).

Area of expertise*
Might make the next one a decaff.

Inflammatory rhetoric inferring that trans volunteers are predatory peadophiles. You have no evidence that any are, not one.

It was nothing of the sort. Stop putting words in people's mouths. There are no sacred castes in safeguarding. And males as a class pose a risk to females and girls and women deserve the privacy and dignity of female spaces in certain circumstances.

And OP is a Mumsnetter. Just like you.

Ok thanks gilderoy. Thought it strange. Anyone reading news in past week would have heard of Julie Marshall. And anyone doing a simple google search would have other actual cases, fully prosecuted, at their fingertips that support the findings of the study. But if they have a history of aggressively denouncing any evidence, I presume they are playing to the readers who won’t do their own research either then.

God people are still determined to completely miss the point.

Males regardless of how they identify pose a statistically higher risk to women and girls than women do. That is a fact . That doesn't mean that your husband or father or brother or son is being personally accused.

We cannot pretend it isn't true because it hrts feelings. Males who understand this are not upset about it becase they don't want to risk childrens safety to validate their personal decency.

Single sex services and spaces are perfectly legal. And necessary. If you dont believe they are then that is up to you but I would bet my house on none of you letting your ore teen daughter changing in the mens room.at swimming or sleeping on with the boys on a school residential.

Hell womenn on MN wont even let their ten year old boys change in the mens so either you don't give a crap about your girls or you are lying when you say you do not care or think mixed sex facilities are totally fine and girls should get over themselves .

Why does it mean so much to people that we spend our lives proving we don't think men pose a risk by sacrificing their own children's safety privacy and dignity?

Where do people think thats gonna go?

And you do realise males as a class don't give a crap about is or they wouldn't have removed or infiltrated every single sex space we have and emotionally blackmailed us into giving them up to appease them.

Hands up who would allow their ddbto have their vras fitted by a male so as not to hurt their feelings? Be honest for once here? And what will you tell your dd who doenst feel happy about that?

And why cant girls have the divnity if not having to be exposed to penises in the shower and the changing room?

Why is saying no to seeing naked males an ossie?

God people are still determined to completely miss the point.

Do you really think that people who disagree with you must be 'determined to miss the point'? Is it so unbelievable to you that people can be just as interested, read the same arguments, listen to the same conversations, assess the same facts and come to a completely different conclusion?

Good people, but also some arseholes.

Because the conclusion is that they are either happy for their dds and themselves to be around males at all times including when showering changing and having bra fitting which tbh is unlikely fir at least there dds given how many in school with mixed sex toilets are either missing school on their periods and/or not drinking all day to avoid using the toilets or hoping the teacher lets them.go in class,

Or they are lying to prove a point.

So far no one has actually said that they are happy for their 12 year old daughter to share a communal changing space with a teenage male at the same time.

They just called peope who object to sharing spaces with males bigots.

Oh I've just realised that said God not good. Nvm. As you were!

Indeed. Not one of the adult females here say they're even willing to use male spaces themselves, let alone their female children.