Insulted key worker wage rises don't include nurses

[nowayhose]

Just what it says really, I'm insulted that police/ fire service/ paramedics are all getting a descent wage rise as recognition for their above and beyond efforts during Cornavirus pandemic, but nurses get bugger all as they're still in the process of getting the 3 year gradual wage increase. (even after this 3 year incremental wage increase, nurses pay will be well below what the other emergency services get)

Or maybe it's just me who hoped (in vain) that all the support for NHS workers have seen from the public would

1. Not evaporate as soon as Covid was waning..........
2. Actually translate to an equalling of wages between emergency services...........

You’re not wrong. Is the 3 year thing the reason for it?

It's not good. Doesn't include junior doctors either (which is a huge proportion of doctors).

Doesn’t include GPs either I believe. So it’s basically hospital consultants!

YABU because the pay rises for other public sector workers is nothing to do with covid, they were the recommendations made by the relevant public sector pay review bodies prior to and independent of covid.

However YANBU to think all of the public sector workers you mention should receive adequate pay.

YABU because the pay rises for other public sector workers is nothing to do with covid, they were the recommendations made by the relevant public sector pay review bodies prior to and independent of covid

This - you're a nurse, so you are well aware you had your pay review a couple of years ago, and you will not get another until the next round. Anything over and above would be a bonus, which I would be in favour of, but only for those who actually worked on Covid wards or HDU or ITU.

I’ll be honest I know quite a few nurses and they are on a far greater wage than me. Band 5/6+ are not the poorly paid workers people think.

It's so demoralising

We're getting ready for another potential wave of Coronavirus...........and feeling demoralised and demotivated and thoroughly angry that we're being shafted financially yet again..................and we're all supposed to be A OK with it
Why can't ALL the emergency workers get the same wage increase and ALL the key workers get the same too ????

Because neither the government ( who all granted themselves a nice £10,000 extra for the changes they had to make to work from home) nor the public (who have said crap like 'well, you signed up for this!' ) have our back, yet they expect US to have THEIR backs when the bloody chips are down and the pandemic looms large)

Quite frankly, F**K that !!

I, for one, do not plan to stay in the NHS to get screwed over at the expense of my health, finances and mental health..............and I'm definitely NOT alone in feeling like this.

The government is manipulating this to make it sound like they’re rewarding hardworking civil servants with an inflation busting rise.

In reality, the public sector pay negotiations go on every year at about the same time and rarely hit the press. This is no different. I, for one, am insulted that it is being spun by the government to make them look magnanimous. No mention of the years and years of pay freeze in all this 2% talk, is there?

the pay rises for other public sector workers is nothing to do with covid, they were the recommendations made by the relevant public sector pay review bodies prior to and independent of covid.

This. The teacher pay rise was announced months ago for example, they're just repackaging it now to distract the public from the Russia report. It's working.

Sorry, I should have added - I don’t know what the ins and outs of nursing pay is and wouldn’t presume to comment, but they’ve always been negotiated separately so are an entirely separate issue to the stuff that has been in the press recently.

Why can't ALL the emergency workers get the same wage increase and ALL the key workers get the same too ????

Because you don't all do the same job, or have the same contracts, or the same responsibilities etc etc......

It's completely disgraceful

I saw a post on Facebook about Macron in France giving nurses/doctors/front line workers a pay rise and a sarcastic and pointed tweet from a Brit saying:

"Don't they know how to clap in France"

The police haven't had a pay rise in 8 years. They are getting around 3%.

Private sector workplaces five between 1.5 and 2.5 every year

The Government are pitting different public sector workers against each other here.

@MeadowHay is exactly right that these pay increments are nothing to do with Covid-19; they are not a reward or any sort of compensation for performance during thr pandemic. They had no business linking the normal annual acceptance/rejection of recommendations with 'key worker' status.

In teaching, for example, they always give their response at this time of year, as we don't have a current three year agreement like nurses. If it's fully or partially funded by thr government, schools pass it on between Oct and Dec, backdating to Sept. Then in the new year, plans are made for the following year. It's not news. All jobs have pay structures and systems and a time line for amendments.

This time though, the spin is that teachers are getting thr biggest rise at 3.1% This is an average, because new teachers' starting salary is increasing 5.5% on last year. The Tory manifesto said they would raise this in line with other graduate professions. This means that the government are applying much less than the average to the top of the pay range for those already in a job. Anyone in between top and bottom does not have to be paid any more. And since this is NOT FUNDED, it comes from existing budgets. If Heads can't balance the books anyway, how can they apply percentage increases to all members of staff? It's not going to happen. The last ten years of pay freezes and a real terms cut of around 18% is a clue.

But yet the Government have got nurses thinking that teachers (for example) have a 'better deal' and the public are up in arms that care workers aren't being 'recognised'. Nobody is genuinely being recognised, but they've effectively encouraged arguments about laziness for staying at home when told, the differences between working remotely and being on the front line, and generally taking everyone's attention away from how money they promise is taken from elsewhere and their general incompetence on so many levels.

Is it NHS moaning week this week? Seems to be at least a thread a day. I've been a nurse for 22 years btw.

You are so right. Nurses should definitely be getting the same rise as other key workers. Even without the pandemic they are overworked on often stressful situations. I also feel that care workers should get a very substantial rise. They should never be on the minimum wage considering the kind of work they have to do. It's all very well going out clapping for key workers, which of course I did do, but society's appreciation should now mean something a bit more substantial than a clap. The problem with our wonderful nhs is that we are inclined to want a 5 star service at a 1 star cost. I think we are all going to have to look at this far more realistically and accept that it all needs paying for and if that means higher taxes so be it, so long as the extra is definitely going into the nhs.

The government did not grant themselves a 10k payrise. Thats utter bollocks and doesn't help anyones case. A pay rise was already agreed for nurses etc.

There's no extra money for this, hospitals, schools and councils will have to find the money from existing budgets.

I agree nurses should be included!

I do think public sector employees get paid fairly well though and the reason they’re seen as ‘poorly paid’ is because they are mostly occupied by the middle class who don’t really understand what a bad wage is.

I hope support staff who really do have a shitty deal will see a rise too. HCA’s/ TA’s etc

Private sector workplaces five between 1.5 and 2.5 every year

On average, which means most don't get anything, and I think you will find that most of those are performance related as well.

calic0 YY to this. Inflation busting is meaningless this year anyway when inflation has nosedived because it can't be predicted during lockdown. Last year it was 3.1% and predicted to rise higher, as soon as people start getting out and about again the inflation level will rise (as it can be measured and predicted when people are using services that haven't been open) and the "inflation busting" rises will once again be below the rate of inflation for the 11th consecutive year.

(Can you tell I'm one of the pay negotiators who gets sick of the media spin )

I wish that I had eaten that free pizza now.

Yabu op. You know we’re not allowed to complain! We must bow gracefully to the claps and get on with it.

I’ll be honest I know quite a few nurses and they are on a far greater wage than me. Band 5/6+ are not the poorly paid workers people think.

24k for a high stress graduate job isn't much. It's not low pay, but it's not fair wage for the skill and stress involved.

The payrises last year barely covered a decade of inflation, and the new structure saw some higher grades getting a pay cut. It was an awful deal after years of frozen pay and I was bitterly disappointed in my union.

@ Baaaahhhhh

Indeed I AM a nurse, but in my book nurse doesn't = gullible idiot who takes on life/death responsibility for peanuts. In my book, the level of responsibility shouldered should be paid accordingly.

And as for
''This - you're a nurse, so you are well aware you had your pay review a couple of years ago, and you will not get another until the next round. Anything over and above would be a bonus, which I would be in favour of, but only for those who actually worked on Covid wards or HDU or ITU.''

The entire NHS has been treating Covid patients, they don't ALL end up in HDU/ ITU !

The fact that they have been putting both their own and their families at risk to continue caring for their patients shows the dedication and professionalism they have !

The routine 'pay reviews' are not sat in stone, and in my view they need to be changed to take into consideration the services provided by all keyworkers during a crisis.

Both the police, fire and paramedic crews get better wages for putting themselves at risk and shouldering huge levels of responsibilities, so why not the NHS staff and key workers??