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AIBU?

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AIBU to not trust my gut on man I'm dating?

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StartingAgain33 · 22/07/2020 14:56

I've been dating someone for three months. He's thoughtful, intelligent, successful, wants the same things in life as me and has made it clear that he sees a future with me (as much as someone can in such a short space of time). He also has literally built my dream life and is inviting me to be a part of it. But my gut keeps telling me to run away, and my therapist says that one of my key challenges is learning to tune into and act on my gut. I'm obsessing and would love your thoughts.

I worry I'm focusing on the negatives too much. I'm about to be 36, keen to have children and tired of being in a dating pool with guys that either don't have their shit together and so by default aren't ready for kids, or who are emotionally avoidant and not willing to put their cards on the table. This guy is neither of those things, and is up for doing the work of a real relationship. So I worry this is just my commitment issues - and potentially anxiety at having met someone so amazing - coming to the fore. What would you think?

Good things:

  • He is open about wanting to settle down, feeling ready for children (a priority for me), about having done the necessary work to get to this point with a therapist (he went to boarding school from a young age and was very starved of love - so had a very avoidant dating pattern). He had one 18 month relationship which ended last year which he said went a long way to healing some of his commitment issues. However, he never loved her and they broke it off as they both felt (I think it was more that he felt) that what they had wasn't 'enough'. This was after they had moved in together to test the relationship (I kind of think you should know if you love someone before making that move, and wonder how much anxiety she was hiding?)
  • He is very successful and leads a really great life. He's open and generous with this life - introducing me to friends and family, making fun trips happen all the time
  • His future vision is the same as mine to an uncanny degree
  • He's not afraid to challenge me and be honest about things, something which I find difficult (I have an anxious attachment pattern)
  • Seems to have a realistic view of what to expect from relationships
  • He's very good at going for what he wants and making things happen, which I find attractive
  • Has great, very close long-term friendships - shows he is capable of longer term intimacy
  • Is very up for 'doing the work' in a relationship
  • Is kind when I open up to him about difficulties, and makes an effort to be there for me
  • Is very consistent with communication, very much leading on this aspect of our relationship

Bad things:

  • He has a very avoidant past (41 years old, has had one relationship in the past 20 or so years and many flings), and I think may have difficulty in general connecting to people. Even though I know this, I keep blame myself for what I feel is a lack of connection in our interactions (I'm not sure he feels this too, although I'm thinking about asking him as it's driving me crazy - like an elephant in the room)
  • I just have a terrible gut feeling a lot of the time. When I'm with him, there's a sort of stilted atmosphere (I feel) and I don't feel able to relax. We hardly laugh. He's quiet quite a lot. He's been honest that he has abandonment issues and that he is hypervigilant to signs of rejection, which makes him quiet, so I've tried to have patience with it but I also feel hypervigilant around him. I've tried to spend lots of time with him to get over this and it's still there most of the time
  • Talks about relationships as 'work' a lot - feels a little joyless
  • Despite talking quite a lot about money / having lots of investments and also enough savings to never have to work again, he has let me somehow do all of the grocery shopping for every visit we've had. Majority of these have been me going to his city, which is nicer to hang out in as it's close to the countryside, so I'm spending money on train tickets AND about £80 at least every single time. This is really stacking up. In comparison, he knows that at 35 I'm still saving for a housing deposit and am going through an expensive egg freezing process. He is extremely frugal in general. The one time he paid of out food on a visit (because I lost my bank card) he asked me to settle up with him afterwards. He probably doesn't realise how much I've spent, as I've not communicated this and frankly find it awkward and quite rude that he wouldn't enquire himself or just say 'I'll pay for groceries next time'. Of all the things, strangely, this one makes me most angry and uncomfortable. I guess because we're from very different social classes and I would never want to be seen as a gold digger (he knows this, we've spoken about the fact that I've always dated people from a 'higher' class than me and that I've always gone at least halves or paid for more because I don't want to be seen as with them for their money)
  • I find our conversation often turns to serious subjects - trauma, how messed up someone is, work stuff - and there is little lightness. He is a thoughtful and quite serious character, I think, but I also worry this is just a chemistry thing and he'd be better with someone else (which then makes me want to fix it)
  • Because he's very open about wanting to settle down, it can sometimes make me feel like he is being spurred by that rather than wanting to be with ME. This could be my paranoia. But he doesn't often express how he actually feels about me, or why. He expresses his affection, I guess, through wanting to spend lots of time together, but even this feels a little intense / out of kilter with our level of emotional intimacy. Lockdown and living in different cities doesn't help - our dates are several days long, which I think I find a bit much
  • He's commented a few times about how I have a higher sex drive than him / enjoy it more. This makes me feel self conscious about asking for sex. When I did the one time, last week, he was too tired. We didn't have enough physical closeness in my four day visit for me to feel particularly cared for or happy. In general I find him just quite distant. Sex feels a little transactional - like he'll do the minimum to make me orgasm, then he's like 'job done' and then gets his and it's over. There isn't enough kissing or general sensuality for me. I don't feel very connected with him
  • I said I was uncomfy meeting his parents on our third ever date (it was a week long, and we'd been talking on zoom for a month before meeting, plus we actually know eachother from 13 years ago in a work context, but still). He said that was fine and they weren't coming, then the day before told me they actually were and I could 'hide in the house as they'd be in the garden and he'd just say I had lots of work to do' if I wanted. I felt intensely uncomfy with this setup so just met them anyway, but felt very awkward. He hadn't seen them all lockdown, and apparently it was just circumstantial that they visited that day, but I felt a little blindsided. I also met his sister and niece on the day, had been living with his other sister for a week and had spent the day with his best friends that week also. It all felt a little much

So - am I looking a gifthorse in the mouth? My anxiety levels are through the roof on this. For some reason I feel like I need to end it NOW even though I know there's loads of great things going for this guy. Any idea what might be going on?

OP posts:
blueshoes · 22/07/2020 18:01

He makes a joke about you coming from the gutter?

This is not a kind and decent man.

tara66 · 22/07/2020 18:01

Well - OP I read your description of the situation but not many OPs. It seems a shame that he doesn't seem quite right and is thoughtless at best about the expenses you have had. Maybe he has other things on his mind? - So you must say - ''Hey - you can pay for this!''. Be bold - you need to know the truth - how is he really about money? Maybe he is not quite a rich as you think? Or just say ''I have always wanted a very large diamond ring...'' - just for a reaction. Lighten up with him - tell him your thoughts, don't be polite. What is there to lose? I voted YANBU.

ConkerGame · 22/07/2020 18:04

Run! You both want kids and are worried about time running out. Not a good reason to be together!

gwilt · 22/07/2020 18:06

Your gut is the most intelligent being on the planet.
Trust it Grin

Motoko · 22/07/2020 18:07

I would say he is testing how far he can push you actually and how much he can get away with.

Me too. He ignored that you didn't want to meet his family. He knew that you wouldn't go and hide away in his house while they were there. Now he knows he got away with that, he'll try to push your boundaries further.

The way he is with money, points to him being financially abusive in the future. If you have a baby, he will still expect you to pay 50/50 while on maternity leave with reduced pay. (and you shouldn't be paying for anything 50/50 if he earns more than you anyway. It should be worked out proportionately, or if in a long term committed relationship, all earnings put in a pot so you both get equal spends.) He will question everything you buy for you or the baby, telling you that they're not essential. Unfortunately, there have been numerous threads on here like that.

Anyway, the replies have been pretty much unanimous that this is not a good relationship, and that you should dump him. You even said in your OP that you wanted to end it, so why are you still not believing that you should end it?

Life is too long to spend it in an unhappy, joyless relationship. I've been with my DH for 20 years, and he still makes me laugh every day, even though our life is difficult due to my illness.

whatyouwalkingbout · 22/07/2020 18:10

Wow, looking at that list of bad things and your last message: you don't just feel it, you KNOW he is not right for you. As someone who let a huge biological and emotional desire to start a family override all senses of what a man and a relationship should be like, it's really not worth it. Having children in a relationship that makes you uncomfortable (or scared, as your posts actually read to me) is not good for you but also not for any children involved. It can be hard to think beyond having babies, but do you think a child would be happy in situation/with a dad that made their mum feel the way you do?

VioletCharlotte · 22/07/2020 18:11

I think you're analysing this way too much. You don't feel comfortable with him and you very seldom laugh. That tells you all you need to know.

DontDribbleOnTheCarpet · 22/07/2020 18:11

This isn't making you happy, is it? End it now, and take a little while to think about where you go from here. Being a single parent would be masses better than being stuck with a man you don't feel attracted to.

Even good, sexy, decent men can get annoying sometimes. They survive because they are good, decent and sexy. This one isn't a nice man, you don't feel drawn to him and after a few months you will probably want to kill him. Save yourself some time and get out now.

MzHz · 22/07/2020 18:13

He’s made comments about your sex drive - that will become him saying you’re ‘loose’ the gutter comment is a warm up act for this...

End it today

stayingontherail · 22/07/2020 18:14

that I don't want to point to the paying stuff as proof that I can't indeed pay my way etc

Erm, you are paying your way. You are also paying his way.

Start dating other people at the very least.

Darkbendis · 22/07/2020 18:15

Every extra day you spend with this guy is a day when you will not have the chance to meet someone who really ticks your boxes. Someone who makes you laugh, someone you can relax with, someone who makes you feel fantastic in bed, someone who is generous and likes spending his time and money with you, someone who is not distant and joyless - someone you actually LIKE as a person and doesn't just seem to want to settle and have children with you (or says so, because no one guarantees he will actually do that, it's easy for him to say what he thinks you want to hear).

3 months is nothing, you feel this relationship is not right, chances are - it is not right for you. Just walk away and give yourself the chance to meet someone you actually like, don't just "settle" for someone like this joyless miser only because he seems eager. He is the way he is, for whatever reason, but he doesn't seem to be the one for you and it's not your "job" to fix him anyway.

DianaT1969 · 22/07/2020 18:17

He is financially mean. Yuk! Dump him.

Thingsdogetbetter · 22/07/2020 18:18

That's not just your gut talking to you, it's your brain and heart too. All three are in agreement and screaming rather than talking. He's great on paper, but you don't like him, let alone love him. He's a charming, successful man who SAYS he wants the same things (easy to do in the early days of a relationship - have you heard of love bombing and mirroring). His actions say he's a boring, humourless wanker with major issues he hasn't fully dealt with yet. And never may. He may actually want the things he says, but he is nowhere near ready to have them.

You can't use force of will to force a connection to someone because they look good on paper.

Janaih · 22/07/2020 18:18

You put a lot more detail into your bad points. End it.

Also he sounds like a fun sponge energy vampire.

DianaT1969 · 22/07/2020 18:19

He is financially mean. Yuk! Dump him.

billy1966 · 22/07/2020 18:19

He joked a couple of times about you being from the "gutter"....A FEW TIMES OP!!!

Ffs....are you out of your mind considering a man so pig ignorant and rude?

OP....you really need to look at your self esteem if you are putting up with a boring tight old fart like him speaking to you like that🙄

tsmainsqueeze · 22/07/2020 18:19

Read your post back! what would you say ?
He sounds awful , totally listen to your gut , his meanness alone would be enough for me , says such a lot about some one.
Bad sex , no laughs !
Good luck to who ever ends up with him ,don't let it be you !

LunaNorth · 22/07/2020 18:20

He says you’re ‘from the gutter’?

Right, well he won’t be surprised when you kick him to the kerb then, will he?

He sounds a right twat.

AnneKipanki · 22/07/2020 18:21

Three months!
Do not make it 4 .

He is so well off but you have to pay for the groceries all the time . He jokes about you being from the gutter . You do not laugh together.
Bin bin bin .

Tappering · 22/07/2020 18:23

Don't marry a man you cannot relax with. Hyper-vigilance is exhausting and no way to live.

Don't marry a man that does not make you laugh. Being able to laugh together is critical for getting you through the shit bits of life.

Don't marry a man that doesn't make your tummy flip and rock your world in the bedroom. Life is far too short for crap sex.

In short - he does not sound like he's suitable for you. And that's before we get to the little 'accidental' stunt he pulled with his parents...

Sharpandshineyteeth · 22/07/2020 18:25

You hardly laugh!?! Nah, that sounds crap.

Ellisandra · 22/07/2020 18:25

Bloody hell.

I thought there was going to be some subtle dissatisfaction - not a full litany of Reasons Why He’s a Dick!

I don’t think you are consciously a gold digger, but I think that if you parcelled all that up into a bloke earning minimum wage, you’d have walked long ago. Not because you’re a money grabbing bitch trying to get cash out of this guy, but because he represents the life you want, and a less well off jan wouldn’t.

There’s a whole list of reasons there not to date him.

And lord save me from the “doing work on relationships” types... try, just not being an arsehole. Works for most people.

I’m actually very pro therapy... but you do it, you sort your shit out, and you come out date-able. You don’t spend dates banging on about it. Otherwise what it actually means is, “I choose to be an arsehole - and you have to let it slide, because I went to boarding school and I’ve done work on myself.” Hmm

He just sounds awful.

Even without him taking money off you - don’t tie yourself to someone selfish at sex. Shit at sex can be rectified, sometimes. Selfish - that’s a deep personality defect.

Ellisandra · 22/07/2020 18:27

Btw: I think the only reason this isn’t a 100% is that your thread title is a bit confusing in the context of the YABU/YANBU.

fourandnomore · 22/07/2020 18:30

You know in your heart that you do need to trust your gut here and not be with this man any longer. Bad feelings happen for a reason, subconsciously or otherwise but he isn’t right for you, sorry.

Ellie56 · 22/07/2020 18:33

That doesn't sound like a relationship to me. You don't ever have a laugh and he's a tight bastard?

No. Just no.Trust your gut and end it.