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AIBU to not trust my gut on man I'm dating?

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StartingAgain33 · 22/07/2020 14:56

I've been dating someone for three months. He's thoughtful, intelligent, successful, wants the same things in life as me and has made it clear that he sees a future with me (as much as someone can in such a short space of time). He also has literally built my dream life and is inviting me to be a part of it. But my gut keeps telling me to run away, and my therapist says that one of my key challenges is learning to tune into and act on my gut. I'm obsessing and would love your thoughts.

I worry I'm focusing on the negatives too much. I'm about to be 36, keen to have children and tired of being in a dating pool with guys that either don't have their shit together and so by default aren't ready for kids, or who are emotionally avoidant and not willing to put their cards on the table. This guy is neither of those things, and is up for doing the work of a real relationship. So I worry this is just my commitment issues - and potentially anxiety at having met someone so amazing - coming to the fore. What would you think?

Good things:

  • He is open about wanting to settle down, feeling ready for children (a priority for me), about having done the necessary work to get to this point with a therapist (he went to boarding school from a young age and was very starved of love - so had a very avoidant dating pattern). He had one 18 month relationship which ended last year which he said went a long way to healing some of his commitment issues. However, he never loved her and they broke it off as they both felt (I think it was more that he felt) that what they had wasn't 'enough'. This was after they had moved in together to test the relationship (I kind of think you should know if you love someone before making that move, and wonder how much anxiety she was hiding?)
  • He is very successful and leads a really great life. He's open and generous with this life - introducing me to friends and family, making fun trips happen all the time
  • His future vision is the same as mine to an uncanny degree
  • He's not afraid to challenge me and be honest about things, something which I find difficult (I have an anxious attachment pattern)
  • Seems to have a realistic view of what to expect from relationships
  • He's very good at going for what he wants and making things happen, which I find attractive
  • Has great, very close long-term friendships - shows he is capable of longer term intimacy
  • Is very up for 'doing the work' in a relationship
  • Is kind when I open up to him about difficulties, and makes an effort to be there for me
  • Is very consistent with communication, very much leading on this aspect of our relationship

Bad things:

  • He has a very avoidant past (41 years old, has had one relationship in the past 20 or so years and many flings), and I think may have difficulty in general connecting to people. Even though I know this, I keep blame myself for what I feel is a lack of connection in our interactions (I'm not sure he feels this too, although I'm thinking about asking him as it's driving me crazy - like an elephant in the room)
  • I just have a terrible gut feeling a lot of the time. When I'm with him, there's a sort of stilted atmosphere (I feel) and I don't feel able to relax. We hardly laugh. He's quiet quite a lot. He's been honest that he has abandonment issues and that he is hypervigilant to signs of rejection, which makes him quiet, so I've tried to have patience with it but I also feel hypervigilant around him. I've tried to spend lots of time with him to get over this and it's still there most of the time
  • Talks about relationships as 'work' a lot - feels a little joyless
  • Despite talking quite a lot about money / having lots of investments and also enough savings to never have to work again, he has let me somehow do all of the grocery shopping for every visit we've had. Majority of these have been me going to his city, which is nicer to hang out in as it's close to the countryside, so I'm spending money on train tickets AND about £80 at least every single time. This is really stacking up. In comparison, he knows that at 35 I'm still saving for a housing deposit and am going through an expensive egg freezing process. He is extremely frugal in general. The one time he paid of out food on a visit (because I lost my bank card) he asked me to settle up with him afterwards. He probably doesn't realise how much I've spent, as I've not communicated this and frankly find it awkward and quite rude that he wouldn't enquire himself or just say 'I'll pay for groceries next time'. Of all the things, strangely, this one makes me most angry and uncomfortable. I guess because we're from very different social classes and I would never want to be seen as a gold digger (he knows this, we've spoken about the fact that I've always dated people from a 'higher' class than me and that I've always gone at least halves or paid for more because I don't want to be seen as with them for their money)
  • I find our conversation often turns to serious subjects - trauma, how messed up someone is, work stuff - and there is little lightness. He is a thoughtful and quite serious character, I think, but I also worry this is just a chemistry thing and he'd be better with someone else (which then makes me want to fix it)
  • Because he's very open about wanting to settle down, it can sometimes make me feel like he is being spurred by that rather than wanting to be with ME. This could be my paranoia. But he doesn't often express how he actually feels about me, or why. He expresses his affection, I guess, through wanting to spend lots of time together, but even this feels a little intense / out of kilter with our level of emotional intimacy. Lockdown and living in different cities doesn't help - our dates are several days long, which I think I find a bit much
  • He's commented a few times about how I have a higher sex drive than him / enjoy it more. This makes me feel self conscious about asking for sex. When I did the one time, last week, he was too tired. We didn't have enough physical closeness in my four day visit for me to feel particularly cared for or happy. In general I find him just quite distant. Sex feels a little transactional - like he'll do the minimum to make me orgasm, then he's like 'job done' and then gets his and it's over. There isn't enough kissing or general sensuality for me. I don't feel very connected with him
  • I said I was uncomfy meeting his parents on our third ever date (it was a week long, and we'd been talking on zoom for a month before meeting, plus we actually know eachother from 13 years ago in a work context, but still). He said that was fine and they weren't coming, then the day before told me they actually were and I could 'hide in the house as they'd be in the garden and he'd just say I had lots of work to do' if I wanted. I felt intensely uncomfy with this setup so just met them anyway, but felt very awkward. He hadn't seen them all lockdown, and apparently it was just circumstantial that they visited that day, but I felt a little blindsided. I also met his sister and niece on the day, had been living with his other sister for a week and had spent the day with his best friends that week also. It all felt a little much

So - am I looking a gifthorse in the mouth? My anxiety levels are through the roof on this. For some reason I feel like I need to end it NOW even though I know there's loads of great things going for this guy. Any idea what might be going on?

OP posts:
bigchris · 22/07/2020 17:02

Op coooeeee Grin

Did you fall asleep after writing that epic post Grin

Never stay with someone who doesn't make you laugh and doesn't turn you on.....

bigchris · 22/07/2020 17:03

Aw crossed posts

MarkRuffaloCrumble · 22/07/2020 17:06

Oh god no! No laughing and infrequent sex would be dealbreakers for me. And all the success and grand lifestyle in the world is useless if he’s stingy and won’t share with you. His behaviour over the food shopping suggests he’s either sexist (food is the woman’s domain) or tight. Neither of which are attentive traits. You may find that these are the real reasons he hasn’t had many relationships in the past, rather than his avoidant personality due to being at boarding school. He dismissed your reluctance to meet the parents and makes you feel uneasy. He’s not the one.

Bugger the egg freezing, get yourself to a sperm bank and make a family life for yourself, don’t bank on this guy being good dad/husband material.

SuperStay7 · 22/07/2020 17:06

@Merryoldgoat

You’re not comfortable around him, he’s tight, and you don’t laugh.

There’s not happy future here.

This, exactly.
MarkRuffaloCrumble · 22/07/2020 17:06

*attractive not attentive grrr!

ECBC · 22/07/2020 17:07

Definitely don’t settle for anyone you’re not totally in love and comfortable with. Your gut instinct is there for a reason

Abitofalark · 22/07/2020 17:10

You sound as if you're imprisoned, though you're not even in prison yet! I mean the prison of marriage, children, housing, finance etc.

I don't know which is worse: that he has lots of money but won't buy groceries or that he has no money but has lied that he has.

What about his house - does he own a house or flat? Is it well furnished and equipped, well looked after and comfortable, money spent on it or is it frugal, bare and uncared for?

Jolonglegs · 22/07/2020 17:10

It sounds like you're too desperate for someone to settle down with. I understand that at 36, but you must trust your instincts and avoid this man.
Sorry.

MaeDanvers · 22/07/2020 17:11

I think you’ve been around him long enough by now for any initial awkwardness or shyness to have dissipated. Feeling on edge around someone and unable to relax is a sure sign something isn’t right.

Also you said he has scarily similar life goals to you, did he just come out with them or did you share with each other? He might well have tailored his desires to align with yours without you realising it.

CrepuscularCritter · 22/07/2020 17:11

It all seems profoundly lacking in joy and fun. And there's a lack of generosity or even balance in spends. I don't think I'd want to sign up for potentially decades of that. I'd be trusting my gut instead.

FreddoFrogAddict · 22/07/2020 17:14

You are 35 and have eggs frozen already. You have plenty of time to find someone who's right for you, i.e. funny, passionate and generous - basically the opposite of Mr. angsty tightwad not tonight Josephine!

NameChange84 · 22/07/2020 17:14

Also...your therapist must have told you that people with attachment disorders will be infinitely better off in a relationship where the other partner had a secure attachment?

It’s not too late to meet someone as long as you are ruthless about getting rid of the men who are no good as soon as the red flags appear. A sense of peace and relaxation is a brilliant thing to look out for when around a potential romantic partner. Don’t be looking for drama, fireworks or anything dull either.

Toptotoeunicolour · 22/07/2020 17:14

What stands out for me is the egg freezing. It's a perfectly valid and sensible thing to do which I fully support, but I know when I was in my late thirties and considering the same (as well as other non-nuclear family type options) I was far from relaxed about it. I tried to be and pretended to be, but honestly, it was the end of a sad road for me that I had to think in those terms, and probably for you too.

You sound far from relaxed, as if you are hoping upon hope that this is the guy. And there isn't enough in that detailed OP for us to say - only you can know. But I wouldn't dump him for some of the reasons others have said, the money for instance. I am married to a wealthy and (overly) generous man who just didn't realise when we were dating that I had to spend £80 on baby sitters per week when we were dating. He's mortified about it now. They just don't think, it doesn't mean they are mean. Nor the fact that he's sort of serious - frankly you sound very serious too.
So what I would say is that if the relationship has any chance of succeeding, you have to relax and give it the room to grow. I say that knowing how hard it is - my late 30s were a dating catastrophe because I couldn't. You should try to do better than me. But even if you can't, rest assured that once the baby situation is out of the way (with either outcome), dating becomes a lot more fun and a lot more relaxed in your 40s, and even 50s in my case.

queenofknives · 22/07/2020 17:17

Run away. He makes you feel anxious and uncomfortable because deep down you know he's not okay. Plus he's boring, no sense of humour, takes financial advantage of you and overrides your boundaries (e.g. with meeting his parents.) So many red flags.

If you decide to go for it and put your instincts aside, I predict you will be looking back at this moment and kicking yourself. You'll be saying, I knew all along what he was and I should have trusted my instincts. He does not sound like a good man, not at all.

MzHz · 22/07/2020 17:18

Fucking hell love! I don't even know this guy and I want to run!!

His future vision is the same as mine to an uncanny degree
He is future faking you.

You have been mostly zoom dating this guy, he jus telling you want he wants you to hear, what YOU want to hear.

The paying for train AND his shopping? No, this is not decent at all.
the LEAST he can do is HOST you ffs!

Instincts are rarely wrong, I can hear yours shrieking from here! please end this.

I think he would evolve to be a selfish, vindictive, aggressive, cruel manipulator. AT BEST. At worst, this is the kind of guy that could do you serious harm.

Flightsoffancy · 22/07/2020 17:19

I really, really feel for you. I was in eerily similar situations myself, I just wanted to be done with the dating and the messing around and the not knowing. I tried very hard with several 'good on paper' men who I didn't connect with, but thankfully didn't marry any of them! Then - and this is to give you hope, not be smug - at 36 and a half I started dating the man I went on to marry. Married at 39, baby at 40 (easily conceived and completely perfect) and we are so happy. I think to myself regularly how glad I am that he and I happened and that I didn't ignore my gut on any of the others. I can't tell you how much I sympathise, but please keep going. And I would end this one as soon as possible, because the longer you're with him, the less you're looking for Mr Right! I wish you all the luck x

verypeckish · 22/07/2020 17:20

He's as tight as a crab's arse and he doesn't make you laugh.

Please don't stay with him solely because you need a sperm donor (sorry to be blunt, but that's the crux of the matter isn't it?), go out and find someone open, caring, fun to be with and who makes you feel relaxed and secure.

MzHz · 22/07/2020 17:20

I dumped a bloke who didn't listen that I didn't want to meet his (somewhat overindulged and spirited) dc. He tried to engineer it, I said no, he tried to trick me into coming over and I just knew he was going to force a meet.

Listen to your gut.

Hushabusha · 22/07/2020 17:21

I didn't read it all. He's hard work, not fun to be around and stingy. And your gut is saying no. The only pro I can see is that he SAYS he wants to be in a relationship and have kids.
Definitely end the relationship. Do you want to live with a stingy joy-less fun sponge for the rest of your life???

Crunchymum · 22/07/2020 17:21

His future vision is the same as mine to an uncanny degree

@StartingAgain33

So you see your future as sexless, joyless, uncomfortable and financially unequal?

Shock
JumpingJackFrost · 22/07/2020 17:25

I agree with pp, he doesn't make you laugh, he doesn't make you feel safe and loved..... no matter how many boxes he ticks he just isn't the one.

It seems that the main factor that's making you rush and feel pressured (instead of just having fun and seeing what develops) is that you want kids.

Fair enough, would you be able to sit down and have a really hard think about whether you can have the children without the relationship?

I have a child from a planned co-parenting relationship. You could look at sperm donation or adoption. There are options.

queenofknives · 22/07/2020 17:25

@MzHz

Fucking hell love! I don't even know this guy and I want to run!!

His future vision is the same as mine to an uncanny degree
He is future faking you.

You have been mostly zoom dating this guy, he jus telling you want he wants you to hear, what YOU want to hear.

The paying for train AND his shopping? No, this is not decent at all.
the LEAST he can do is HOST you ffs!

Instincts are rarely wrong, I can hear yours shrieking from here! please end this.

I think he would evolve to be a selfish, vindictive, aggressive, cruel manipulator. AT BEST. At worst, this is the kind of guy that could do you serious harm.

Absolutely all of this. The 'future faking' jumped out at me too. He does sound like a manipulator or worse. Definitely not someone you'd want to have kids with!
Tootletum · 22/07/2020 17:25

He sounds very manipulative to me. I think he's playing a weird long game with you, trying to make you feel that because he is perfect, any fault is with you. I would run a mile. The kids thing, yes it's a risk you might not have kids but you're better off having sperm donor kids if it's fueling so much anxiety, then you can clear your head to find the right guy in good time. Also really don't panic. I got pregnant by mistake at 35 and had two more kids with almost zero effort at 38 and 40. Obviously can't advise you to wait too long as I regret being an older mum as it is. I think just have your own kids now.

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Toptotoeunicolour · 22/07/2020 17:28

Just to add to my post above, the only thing to me that sounds like obvious incompatibility is the sex. If that's not right at the beginning, it's not going to get better. I don't believe in teaching them stuff or asking them to be different than they are with sex - it's either there or it isn't, from the get go.