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AIBU to not trust my gut on man I'm dating?

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StartingAgain33 · 22/07/2020 14:56

I've been dating someone for three months. He's thoughtful, intelligent, successful, wants the same things in life as me and has made it clear that he sees a future with me (as much as someone can in such a short space of time). He also has literally built my dream life and is inviting me to be a part of it. But my gut keeps telling me to run away, and my therapist says that one of my key challenges is learning to tune into and act on my gut. I'm obsessing and would love your thoughts.

I worry I'm focusing on the negatives too much. I'm about to be 36, keen to have children and tired of being in a dating pool with guys that either don't have their shit together and so by default aren't ready for kids, or who are emotionally avoidant and not willing to put their cards on the table. This guy is neither of those things, and is up for doing the work of a real relationship. So I worry this is just my commitment issues - and potentially anxiety at having met someone so amazing - coming to the fore. What would you think?

Good things:

  • He is open about wanting to settle down, feeling ready for children (a priority for me), about having done the necessary work to get to this point with a therapist (he went to boarding school from a young age and was very starved of love - so had a very avoidant dating pattern). He had one 18 month relationship which ended last year which he said went a long way to healing some of his commitment issues. However, he never loved her and they broke it off as they both felt (I think it was more that he felt) that what they had wasn't 'enough'. This was after they had moved in together to test the relationship (I kind of think you should know if you love someone before making that move, and wonder how much anxiety she was hiding?)
  • He is very successful and leads a really great life. He's open and generous with this life - introducing me to friends and family, making fun trips happen all the time
  • His future vision is the same as mine to an uncanny degree
  • He's not afraid to challenge me and be honest about things, something which I find difficult (I have an anxious attachment pattern)
  • Seems to have a realistic view of what to expect from relationships
  • He's very good at going for what he wants and making things happen, which I find attractive
  • Has great, very close long-term friendships - shows he is capable of longer term intimacy
  • Is very up for 'doing the work' in a relationship
  • Is kind when I open up to him about difficulties, and makes an effort to be there for me
  • Is very consistent with communication, very much leading on this aspect of our relationship

Bad things:

  • He has a very avoidant past (41 years old, has had one relationship in the past 20 or so years and many flings), and I think may have difficulty in general connecting to people. Even though I know this, I keep blame myself for what I feel is a lack of connection in our interactions (I'm not sure he feels this too, although I'm thinking about asking him as it's driving me crazy - like an elephant in the room)
  • I just have a terrible gut feeling a lot of the time. When I'm with him, there's a sort of stilted atmosphere (I feel) and I don't feel able to relax. We hardly laugh. He's quiet quite a lot. He's been honest that he has abandonment issues and that he is hypervigilant to signs of rejection, which makes him quiet, so I've tried to have patience with it but I also feel hypervigilant around him. I've tried to spend lots of time with him to get over this and it's still there most of the time
  • Talks about relationships as 'work' a lot - feels a little joyless
  • Despite talking quite a lot about money / having lots of investments and also enough savings to never have to work again, he has let me somehow do all of the grocery shopping for every visit we've had. Majority of these have been me going to his city, which is nicer to hang out in as it's close to the countryside, so I'm spending money on train tickets AND about £80 at least every single time. This is really stacking up. In comparison, he knows that at 35 I'm still saving for a housing deposit and am going through an expensive egg freezing process. He is extremely frugal in general. The one time he paid of out food on a visit (because I lost my bank card) he asked me to settle up with him afterwards. He probably doesn't realise how much I've spent, as I've not communicated this and frankly find it awkward and quite rude that he wouldn't enquire himself or just say 'I'll pay for groceries next time'. Of all the things, strangely, this one makes me most angry and uncomfortable. I guess because we're from very different social classes and I would never want to be seen as a gold digger (he knows this, we've spoken about the fact that I've always dated people from a 'higher' class than me and that I've always gone at least halves or paid for more because I don't want to be seen as with them for their money)
  • I find our conversation often turns to serious subjects - trauma, how messed up someone is, work stuff - and there is little lightness. He is a thoughtful and quite serious character, I think, but I also worry this is just a chemistry thing and he'd be better with someone else (which then makes me want to fix it)
  • Because he's very open about wanting to settle down, it can sometimes make me feel like he is being spurred by that rather than wanting to be with ME. This could be my paranoia. But he doesn't often express how he actually feels about me, or why. He expresses his affection, I guess, through wanting to spend lots of time together, but even this feels a little intense / out of kilter with our level of emotional intimacy. Lockdown and living in different cities doesn't help - our dates are several days long, which I think I find a bit much
  • He's commented a few times about how I have a higher sex drive than him / enjoy it more. This makes me feel self conscious about asking for sex. When I did the one time, last week, he was too tired. We didn't have enough physical closeness in my four day visit for me to feel particularly cared for or happy. In general I find him just quite distant. Sex feels a little transactional - like he'll do the minimum to make me orgasm, then he's like 'job done' and then gets his and it's over. There isn't enough kissing or general sensuality for me. I don't feel very connected with him
  • I said I was uncomfy meeting his parents on our third ever date (it was a week long, and we'd been talking on zoom for a month before meeting, plus we actually know eachother from 13 years ago in a work context, but still). He said that was fine and they weren't coming, then the day before told me they actually were and I could 'hide in the house as they'd be in the garden and he'd just say I had lots of work to do' if I wanted. I felt intensely uncomfy with this setup so just met them anyway, but felt very awkward. He hadn't seen them all lockdown, and apparently it was just circumstantial that they visited that day, but I felt a little blindsided. I also met his sister and niece on the day, had been living with his other sister for a week and had spent the day with his best friends that week also. It all felt a little much

So - am I looking a gifthorse in the mouth? My anxiety levels are through the roof on this. For some reason I feel like I need to end it NOW even though I know there's loads of great things going for this guy. Any idea what might be going on?

OP posts:
AnneKipanki · 23/07/2020 08:12

I think I read somewhere about them creating their own blogs / backstory that can be checked.
I think it was in the News about someone that was released from prison and was already setting up his new marks from inside.

LunaNorth · 23/07/2020 08:14

I’m starting to think that this fella is about as much a millionaire as I am.

MadamBatty · 23/07/2020 08:14

he sounds a common Arsehole Conman.

He’s learned some therapy speak to use in his conning.

He’ll be soooo ‘hurt’ when you ask him to settle up. You won’t get any money from him.

LunaNorth · 23/07/2020 08:14

Let’s have a look at his blog, OP.

Cally70 · 23/07/2020 08:14

How can you have been dating someone for 3 months when we've been in lockdown for 4 months? 🤷🏻‍♀️

Stringsattached · 23/07/2020 08:18

Yes Bristol was in lockdown like everywhere else. Especially as you met all his family and friends.

onedaysoonish · 23/07/2020 08:22

You could probably do some digging here - I'm sure you've extensively googled already but what about a companies house check, if he's an angel investor he might have some directorships, and maybe a land registry search? I know it's going overboard somewhat - I just cannot stand people who lie like this and manipulate! I had a brief relationship like this once - turned out it was lies on top of lies and I took great pleasure in unpicking them all and showing him and watching him try to create knew ones barely within the realms of possibility. I did think at the time I wish there was a register of serial liars trying to con women - if there was I would be the in-house private investigator and I would do it for free!

MinesAPintOfTea · 23/07/2020 08:35

If you don't feel safe and comfortable, leave. Otherwise your own mental health will be destroyed.

I'm on the verge of leaving DH after 15 years because of behaviour during a mental health crisis means I no longer feel safe with him. That's with a 14 year foundation of things being good, I am at the point where my own mental health can't take much more.

This guy is already preventing you from being able to relax. How are you going to feel when you are bleeding post birth, you want to be in your PJs in bed and the food shopping needs doing, his parents are coming around etc?

GabriellaMontez · 23/07/2020 08:39

I think you're going to skip out of his front door!

3 months into a new relationship with a 40 year old. You should be at it hammer and tongs.

AnneKipanki · 23/07/2020 08:40

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Message withdrawn at poster's request.

Chungus · 23/07/2020 08:40

As the child of someone who was sent to boarding school at a young age I would say run for the hills. Even if he has done the work with a therapist. You've no idea what he will actually be like if children were to come.

I'm sure there are some good outcomes in those circumstances, but why risk it.

Superfoodie123 · 23/07/2020 08:48

It doesn't sound right to me. Your gut is connected to your brain, your brain picks up signs before you understand them.

The tightness is enough to put this behind you, that won't do well when your on mat leave and need the financial support

minmooch · 23/07/2020 08:49

Please don't blame his inadequacies on boarding school. I went to boarding school and myself and most of my friends have had fantastic experiences of school, were both happy at home and at school. I learnt independence for sure but learnt about true love and friendship with those I went to school with and most of us have had good happy healthy relationships outside of school. Those who didn't wouldn't have even if they hadn't boarded.

It all sounds too much like hard work.

You are not there to fix him. If he needs fixing then that is his responsibility to do before he embarks in any relationships.

He sounds fucking awful if I'm honest. If it's this hard so early on then it will only get worse when you have added pressures - living together, having children together.

You owe him nothing. You owe yourself a chance to be with someone with a whole lot less emotional baggage.

You need to work on yourself and try and figure out why you have spent so much time agonising over somebody who is so clearly not right for you. In fact he has the ability to completely wreck your life if you let him.

Time to pull up those big girl pants. Accept this is not right, part ways and give yourself the chance to find someone who really is a much better fit.

CoraPirbright · 23/07/2020 08:58

Please don't blame his inadequacies on boarding school. I went to boarding school and myself and most of my friends have had fantastic experiences of school, were both happy at home and at school. I learnt independence for sure but learnt about true love and friendship with those I went to school with and most of us have had good happy healthy relationships outside of school. Those who didn't wouldn't have even if they hadn't boarded.

Was just about to come on the thread to say what Minmooch has said. Around 90% of my friends were boarders including me and dh and we are a little older so it is safe to say that pastoral care was even less of a ‘thing’. None of us, not one, have the problems this man ascribes to his upbringing and I suspect he would have had some issues whatever happened in his childhood.

So glad you are finishing it with him - the fact you feel ‘lighter’ now you have decided this is SO telling! Please will you update us when you have revisited the situation with the other guy you mentioned? The one with the chemistry? I would love to hear that you are happy!

Shortfeet · 23/07/2020 09:00

@AnneKipanki
Can you link ?

Op you are a good writer .

AlexisCarringtonColbyDexter · 23/07/2020 09:02

PLEASE read the book the gift of fear by gavin de becker.
Its all about gut instinct and listening to it and feeling uncomfortable with your partner is a huge red flag.

Chungus · 23/07/2020 09:10

There's a difference between going to boarding school and going at a young age. Mum mum started age 4.

Chungus · 23/07/2020 09:10

*my mum

JinglingHellsBells · 23/07/2020 09:10

@StartingAgain33 How have you been dating and meeting his family for 3 months when everyone was in lockdown?

I've got single friends, and friends of friends, who are dating online, and all they have managed is chats online or a distanced walk for the last 4 months.Not blinking sex with a stranger!!!

Doesn't say much about his sense of responsibility or common sense for that matter to be meeting you and so on.

Bloops · 23/07/2020 09:21

You know he's not the one for you OP, so why waste time trying to pretend he is? You'll only be unhappy in the long run and come to resent him.
You should be in the "honeymoon" phase of your relationship and be absolutely elated with your new partner! Not listing all your doubts on MN.
Keep us posted with what you decide to do and good luck.

billy1966 · 23/07/2020 10:15

He offered to cook and clean to avoid rent.

OP, he was deliberately screwing you moneywise and knew well that he was.

I agree, something smell very fishy about him.

You sound as if you would like children, he would be 10 times the work of any child.

I am married nearly 30 years, with 4 children and I swear to God, as a marriage and family we haven't gone through a fraction of the strife and "relationship work" that you speak of in 4 months.

No wonder your gut is screaming.

I feel anxious reading your posts.

He has been ditched by women for years.

Don't be the idiot who keeps him.

You deserve better, anyone does.

I agree with the boarding school comments above. My siblings went, I didn't want to. They had great experiences, with life long friendships.
I agree also that not every child might love it, but those I know where happy with their parents choices and are happy adults.
They didn't go till age 12 though.

Flowers
JinglingHellsBells · 23/07/2020 10:17

There is so much wrong with this man I wonder you didn't see it before!

His tightness with money is terrible. You've been paying £80 to get to him by train and he won't even buy food- what- for him to eat at his house?

He wanted you to hide in his bedroom while his parents came to see him?

Sorry but it's not your gut you need to worry about.
These are big red flags and you need to set your radar better in general. Raise the bar!

Also, neither of you ought to have been meeting anyway in the last 3 months. Didn't you hear about lockdown?

Diverseopinions · 23/07/2020 10:25

His ex earned £3k a day??

onedaysoonish · 23/07/2020 10:35

It's just not supposed to be this hard. If it was this hard after 30 years you'd divorce, but after 3 months? Run and run fast.

I'm convinced a lot of what he's told you is a lie anyway. If he's made enough money to retire (and just do what he wants) he can't also need/want someone else to pay his rent.

AnyOldMorricone · 23/07/2020 11:25

having now seen his 'cooking' which is mostly making hummus and sprouting lentils - it does not seem a fair exchange at all.....

This made me laugh Grin

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