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AIBU to not trust my gut on man I'm dating?

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StartingAgain33 · 22/07/2020 14:56

I've been dating someone for three months. He's thoughtful, intelligent, successful, wants the same things in life as me and has made it clear that he sees a future with me (as much as someone can in such a short space of time). He also has literally built my dream life and is inviting me to be a part of it. But my gut keeps telling me to run away, and my therapist says that one of my key challenges is learning to tune into and act on my gut. I'm obsessing and would love your thoughts.

I worry I'm focusing on the negatives too much. I'm about to be 36, keen to have children and tired of being in a dating pool with guys that either don't have their shit together and so by default aren't ready for kids, or who are emotionally avoidant and not willing to put their cards on the table. This guy is neither of those things, and is up for doing the work of a real relationship. So I worry this is just my commitment issues - and potentially anxiety at having met someone so amazing - coming to the fore. What would you think?

Good things:

  • He is open about wanting to settle down, feeling ready for children (a priority for me), about having done the necessary work to get to this point with a therapist (he went to boarding school from a young age and was very starved of love - so had a very avoidant dating pattern). He had one 18 month relationship which ended last year which he said went a long way to healing some of his commitment issues. However, he never loved her and they broke it off as they both felt (I think it was more that he felt) that what they had wasn't 'enough'. This was after they had moved in together to test the relationship (I kind of think you should know if you love someone before making that move, and wonder how much anxiety she was hiding?)
  • He is very successful and leads a really great life. He's open and generous with this life - introducing me to friends and family, making fun trips happen all the time
  • His future vision is the same as mine to an uncanny degree
  • He's not afraid to challenge me and be honest about things, something which I find difficult (I have an anxious attachment pattern)
  • Seems to have a realistic view of what to expect from relationships
  • He's very good at going for what he wants and making things happen, which I find attractive
  • Has great, very close long-term friendships - shows he is capable of longer term intimacy
  • Is very up for 'doing the work' in a relationship
  • Is kind when I open up to him about difficulties, and makes an effort to be there for me
  • Is very consistent with communication, very much leading on this aspect of our relationship

Bad things:

  • He has a very avoidant past (41 years old, has had one relationship in the past 20 or so years and many flings), and I think may have difficulty in general connecting to people. Even though I know this, I keep blame myself for what I feel is a lack of connection in our interactions (I'm not sure he feels this too, although I'm thinking about asking him as it's driving me crazy - like an elephant in the room)
  • I just have a terrible gut feeling a lot of the time. When I'm with him, there's a sort of stilted atmosphere (I feel) and I don't feel able to relax. We hardly laugh. He's quiet quite a lot. He's been honest that he has abandonment issues and that he is hypervigilant to signs of rejection, which makes him quiet, so I've tried to have patience with it but I also feel hypervigilant around him. I've tried to spend lots of time with him to get over this and it's still there most of the time
  • Talks about relationships as 'work' a lot - feels a little joyless
  • Despite talking quite a lot about money / having lots of investments and also enough savings to never have to work again, he has let me somehow do all of the grocery shopping for every visit we've had. Majority of these have been me going to his city, which is nicer to hang out in as it's close to the countryside, so I'm spending money on train tickets AND about £80 at least every single time. This is really stacking up. In comparison, he knows that at 35 I'm still saving for a housing deposit and am going through an expensive egg freezing process. He is extremely frugal in general. The one time he paid of out food on a visit (because I lost my bank card) he asked me to settle up with him afterwards. He probably doesn't realise how much I've spent, as I've not communicated this and frankly find it awkward and quite rude that he wouldn't enquire himself or just say 'I'll pay for groceries next time'. Of all the things, strangely, this one makes me most angry and uncomfortable. I guess because we're from very different social classes and I would never want to be seen as a gold digger (he knows this, we've spoken about the fact that I've always dated people from a 'higher' class than me and that I've always gone at least halves or paid for more because I don't want to be seen as with them for their money)
  • I find our conversation often turns to serious subjects - trauma, how messed up someone is, work stuff - and there is little lightness. He is a thoughtful and quite serious character, I think, but I also worry this is just a chemistry thing and he'd be better with someone else (which then makes me want to fix it)
  • Because he's very open about wanting to settle down, it can sometimes make me feel like he is being spurred by that rather than wanting to be with ME. This could be my paranoia. But he doesn't often express how he actually feels about me, or why. He expresses his affection, I guess, through wanting to spend lots of time together, but even this feels a little intense / out of kilter with our level of emotional intimacy. Lockdown and living in different cities doesn't help - our dates are several days long, which I think I find a bit much
  • He's commented a few times about how I have a higher sex drive than him / enjoy it more. This makes me feel self conscious about asking for sex. When I did the one time, last week, he was too tired. We didn't have enough physical closeness in my four day visit for me to feel particularly cared for or happy. In general I find him just quite distant. Sex feels a little transactional - like he'll do the minimum to make me orgasm, then he's like 'job done' and then gets his and it's over. There isn't enough kissing or general sensuality for me. I don't feel very connected with him
  • I said I was uncomfy meeting his parents on our third ever date (it was a week long, and we'd been talking on zoom for a month before meeting, plus we actually know eachother from 13 years ago in a work context, but still). He said that was fine and they weren't coming, then the day before told me they actually were and I could 'hide in the house as they'd be in the garden and he'd just say I had lots of work to do' if I wanted. I felt intensely uncomfy with this setup so just met them anyway, but felt very awkward. He hadn't seen them all lockdown, and apparently it was just circumstantial that they visited that day, but I felt a little blindsided. I also met his sister and niece on the day, had been living with his other sister for a week and had spent the day with his best friends that week also. It all felt a little much

So - am I looking a gifthorse in the mouth? My anxiety levels are through the roof on this. For some reason I feel like I need to end it NOW even though I know there's loads of great things going for this guy. Any idea what might be going on?

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TinyButton · 23/07/2020 01:41

I think because you're 36 and your biological clock is ticking, you're just a little frantic for this person to fit the bill. Which is perfectly understandable. But I think you should ask yourself a question - if you were 26, would you be so torn/confused about this or would you just hold out for someone better?

Him saying he has money but then not paying for things immediately made me think potential con-man! But then I suppose it could just be that the reason he's got money is because he's been such a tightwad for years. But the latter is dire enough.

41, no real relationship experience and the only relationship he's had he didn't love the girl. I would be very wary/suspicious of that.

He doesn't make you happy, he doesn't make you laugh, he's crap in bed, he's tight with money. And let's just be honest here, he's obviously got long term mental health problems. Please don't saddle yourself with all this just because you want kids and you think time is running out. It will waste years of your precious life and I don't think he make a good father either (too many issues, too miserable, too controlling, too tight with money).

If he's draining you to this extent after just 3 months, think what 3 years, 10 years, 13 years will have done to you.

BuffaloMozzerella · 23/07/2020 01:54

End it with this guy OP. If you have some relationship anxieties then you need a secure man who can offer security, steadiness and also FUN, not constant naval gazing. You don't want each other's issues to be the focus of your relationship.

You are going to end up discussing issues and anxieties constantly with this chap and it will be a drag ultimately.

That inability to relax and feeling hyper vigilant - that is your body's way of telling you something is not right. Listen to it.

Defenbaker · 23/07/2020 02:28

YANBU to be anxious about committing to a future with this man - he sounds dreadful, on many levels. Just because your bio clock is ticking you needn't settle for the first man who seems financially secure and ready to settle down. There is a reason this man is 41 and has never had a relationship last longer than 18 months - in fact, there are MANY reasons why, and your gut is screaming at you to walk away. You know what you need to do.

Nonotthisagain · 23/07/2020 02:36

Honestly, if you have to ask theb question you already know the answer. He's absolutely not right for you.

Apart from anything the meanness alone would do it for me

cheesemongery · 23/07/2020 02:55

He doesn't live in Bristol does he?

Run, run and sprint and do not look back.

famousforwrongreason · 23/07/2020 03:05

Your gut is right. You are right. Please listen. He sounds like many guys I've dated since divorce. He's long term single for a reason. The money alone is a red flag and you've written plenty more.
Take away the good points, that's a LOT of negatives.

JaneJack23 · 23/07/2020 03:22

He is NOT the one!!

1forAll74 · 23/07/2020 03:26

All a too much complicated kind of relationship. I wouldn't wan't to deal with this type of man. It does not sound like a smooth and lovely kind of relationship. one that needs all this kind of analising and head space. It sounds more like a business proposition than a romance.

longtimecomin · 23/07/2020 04:23

Run run run, too many 🚩

KatherineJaneway · 23/07/2020 06:51

He also felt that he had contributed in other ways like arranging weekends for us and practical things like giving me lifts etc. I think this was just a bit of naivete on his part and also lack of communication on my side. He admitted it was rude to not pick up groceries when I was visiting, and said he is usually known for being generous and he's sorry I felt that way, and that he would make sure things were even in the future

Doesn't ring true to me. He knew it wasn't even.

Blueskytoday06 · 23/07/2020 07:05

He’s not for you. Call it. Move on.

StartingAgain33 · 23/07/2020 07:43

Okay, definitely going to end it once and for all today. Already feeling lighter for having made the decision. It's odd, even though he's called me every day for the past couple of months, and they have been nice convos I guess (although I've always felt they are a bit uncomfy and forced - like he's trying to fulfil the role of boyfriend rather than actually wants to be there) - but I don't think I'll miss them, or miss him at all. In fact I think I'll wonder what the fuck i've been doing.

How could I ignore my instincts for an entire 3 months on this?

OP posts:
StartingAgain33 · 23/07/2020 07:45

@cheesemongery

He doesn't live in Bristol does he?

Run, run and sprint and do not look back.

He actually does @cheesemongery. Have private messaged you.
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stayingontherail · 23/07/2020 07:48

All this of talk of “doing work” and speaking “authentically”... bloody hell, you both need to step away from the therapy talk.

I get the impression you are both using each other as relationship therapists. If you are analysing your relationships and past relationships like this three months in, something isn’t right.

StartingAgain33 · 23/07/2020 07:50

@stayingontherail

All this of talk of “doing work” and speaking “authentically”... bloody hell, you both need to step away from the therapy talk.

I get the impression you are both using each other as relationship therapists. If you are analysing your relationships and past relationships like this three months in, something isn’t right.

I agree talk of 'doing work' etc is really unnattractive and annoying. It's him that's used this phrase, and I've picked him up on it a few times and said 'what about fun? joy?' etc.

He used it again when we had the chat last night and said that it is literally work to sit with his anxieties and stay in relationships and not run away and panic.

What fun!

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JinglingHellsBells · 23/07/2020 07:52

@StartingAgain33 Don't have time to read 300+ posts, but pleased you are seeing the light.

As a by the way, I don't think this is your gut telling you.
Quite the opposite.

You have listed all the pros and cons in a very analytical way. That's not your gut talking, it's your head!

What's going on is your desire to settle down and have a family overrides the facts about this man, at times.

So, one half of your brain is saying ' babies, babies' babies' and a man is around who could provide the sperm, BUT the sensible side of your head is telling you he is not The One.

Have more confidence in your own judgement. You are spot on, so take notice of your rational brain.

Good luck!

AnyOldMorricone · 23/07/2020 07:52

Just read your updates OP and he actually sounds like a classic conman (not saying this is actually the case but some of the things he’s said and done completely fit the profile).

I don't want to point to the paying stuff as proof that I can't indeed pay my way etc.

This is actually a classic tactic – giving the appearance of impressive wealth and success, then asking the mark to pay for things – who agrees as they don’t want to show themselves up as unsophisticated, penny-pinching, needing to worry about money, etc. You don’t question his intentions as he’s made it very clear he’s wealthy.

Another tactic to the same end is subtly making you feel very aware of your relative lack of privilege.

This along with the creepy mirroring, playing on your sympathies, weird lack of connection... Aghhh. Run for the hills OP.

Seriously, don’t be drawn back in by all the childhood stuff, relationship anxiety, it’s fucking weird of him to keep going on about it to be honest. If all that really is true he’s not ready for a relationship, it can’t be the basis for dating someone, no matter how plausible he may seem.

AnyOldMorricone · 23/07/2020 07:57

He actually does @cheesemongery. Have private messaged you.

Intrigued that he’s been recognised!!

Just seen your latest update OP. Woohoo! Think you’ve absolutely made the right decision.

StartingAgain33 · 23/07/2020 07:59

@AnyOldMorricone

Just read your updates OP and he actually sounds like a classic conman (not saying this is actually the case but some of the things he’s said and done completely fit the profile).

I don't want to point to the paying stuff as proof that I can't indeed pay my way etc.

This is actually a classic tactic – giving the appearance of impressive wealth and success, then asking the mark to pay for things – who agrees as they don’t want to show themselves up as unsophisticated, penny-pinching, needing to worry about money, etc. You don’t question his intentions as he’s made it very clear he’s wealthy.

Another tactic to the same end is subtly making you feel very aware of your relative lack of privilege.

This along with the creepy mirroring, playing on your sympathies, weird lack of connection... Aghhh. Run for the hills OP.

Seriously, don’t be drawn back in by all the childhood stuff, relationship anxiety, it’s fucking weird of him to keep going on about it to be honest. If all that really is true he’s not ready for a relationship, it can’t be the basis for dating someone, no matter how plausible he may seem.

Yeah @anyoldmorricone you're so right.

I do think he has the money as I know he invests in businesses etc and he's set out how he did it in his blog (mixture of extreme frugality, starter wealth from parents in terms of buying his first house and also six figure exits from businesses he's launched and investments).

BUT yes he does use people financially. He moved out of a house he owns to a rental property with ex and she paid all the rent, in exchange for him cooking and cleaning. She earned £3k a day and he hasn't earned money in the past two years apart from his investments (he decided to 'retire early', apart from work he really wants to do) so they apparently decided this was a fair arrangement. As she agreed to this, I didn't think it was my business to really comment - but having now seen his 'cooking' which is mostly making hummus and sprouting lentils - it does not seem a fair exchange at all.....

I'm going to say that if he's so fair, I'd like us to settle up on everything before we part ways. See what he says.

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Riv12345 · 23/07/2020 08:01

You should always go with your gut op and you will never go wrong!

You shouldn't be feeling like this on early days
You should be excited and enjoying good sex
I wouldn't go any further with it.
If you are this uncertain and keep feeling uncomfortable etc
I think somethings trying to tell you something

As I said op go with your gut it will never let you down.

LunaNorth · 23/07/2020 08:01

His ex paid the rent? In exchange for some humous and no sex?

This guy’s good, I’ll give him that.

StartingAgain33 · 23/07/2020 08:02

@AnyOldMorricone

Just read your updates OP and he actually sounds like a classic conman (not saying this is actually the case but some of the things he’s said and done completely fit the profile).

I don't want to point to the paying stuff as proof that I can't indeed pay my way etc.

This is actually a classic tactic – giving the appearance of impressive wealth and success, then asking the mark to pay for things – who agrees as they don’t want to show themselves up as unsophisticated, penny-pinching, needing to worry about money, etc. You don’t question his intentions as he’s made it very clear he’s wealthy.

Another tactic to the same end is subtly making you feel very aware of your relative lack of privilege.

This along with the creepy mirroring, playing on your sympathies, weird lack of connection... Aghhh. Run for the hills OP.

Seriously, don’t be drawn back in by all the childhood stuff, relationship anxiety, it’s fucking weird of him to keep going on about it to be honest. If all that really is true he’s not ready for a relationship, it can’t be the basis for dating someone, no matter how plausible he may seem.

Also @anyoldmorricone this is so true:

who agrees as they don’t want to show themselves up as unsophisticated, penny-pinching, needing to worry about money, etc.

Ugh. Do you think he does this on purpose or it's all subconscious?

I'm starting to hate this man. He's maybe the worst person I've dated.

I've noticed he's an extremely good fundraiser - has gotten millions from business. It's basically manipulation and telling people what they want to hear. Have heard him planning conversations with his business partner and the whole thing made me feel a bit cringey inside.

OP posts:
StartingAgain33 · 23/07/2020 08:02

@LunaNorth

His ex paid the rent? In exchange for some humous and no sex?

This guy’s good, I’ll give him that.

Lol. When you put it like that
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onedaysoonish · 23/07/2020 08:09

He decided to retire early but is cooking and cleaning for his rent and board? He retired in his early 40s and yet cannot afford to pay someone to do his cooking cleaning washing and ironing? Conmen have blogs too.

StrictlyAFemaleFemale · 23/07/2020 08:11

Have only read your posts so forgive me if this has already been said. Please read the gift of fear. Your gut isnt an irrational feeling. It is a natural response to warning signs that you have unconsciously recognised.

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