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AIBU to not trust my gut on man I'm dating?

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StartingAgain33 · 22/07/2020 14:56

I've been dating someone for three months. He's thoughtful, intelligent, successful, wants the same things in life as me and has made it clear that he sees a future with me (as much as someone can in such a short space of time). He also has literally built my dream life and is inviting me to be a part of it. But my gut keeps telling me to run away, and my therapist says that one of my key challenges is learning to tune into and act on my gut. I'm obsessing and would love your thoughts.

I worry I'm focusing on the negatives too much. I'm about to be 36, keen to have children and tired of being in a dating pool with guys that either don't have their shit together and so by default aren't ready for kids, or who are emotionally avoidant and not willing to put their cards on the table. This guy is neither of those things, and is up for doing the work of a real relationship. So I worry this is just my commitment issues - and potentially anxiety at having met someone so amazing - coming to the fore. What would you think?

Good things:

  • He is open about wanting to settle down, feeling ready for children (a priority for me), about having done the necessary work to get to this point with a therapist (he went to boarding school from a young age and was very starved of love - so had a very avoidant dating pattern). He had one 18 month relationship which ended last year which he said went a long way to healing some of his commitment issues. However, he never loved her and they broke it off as they both felt (I think it was more that he felt) that what they had wasn't 'enough'. This was after they had moved in together to test the relationship (I kind of think you should know if you love someone before making that move, and wonder how much anxiety she was hiding?)
  • He is very successful and leads a really great life. He's open and generous with this life - introducing me to friends and family, making fun trips happen all the time
  • His future vision is the same as mine to an uncanny degree
  • He's not afraid to challenge me and be honest about things, something which I find difficult (I have an anxious attachment pattern)
  • Seems to have a realistic view of what to expect from relationships
  • He's very good at going for what he wants and making things happen, which I find attractive
  • Has great, very close long-term friendships - shows he is capable of longer term intimacy
  • Is very up for 'doing the work' in a relationship
  • Is kind when I open up to him about difficulties, and makes an effort to be there for me
  • Is very consistent with communication, very much leading on this aspect of our relationship

Bad things:

  • He has a very avoidant past (41 years old, has had one relationship in the past 20 or so years and many flings), and I think may have difficulty in general connecting to people. Even though I know this, I keep blame myself for what I feel is a lack of connection in our interactions (I'm not sure he feels this too, although I'm thinking about asking him as it's driving me crazy - like an elephant in the room)
  • I just have a terrible gut feeling a lot of the time. When I'm with him, there's a sort of stilted atmosphere (I feel) and I don't feel able to relax. We hardly laugh. He's quiet quite a lot. He's been honest that he has abandonment issues and that he is hypervigilant to signs of rejection, which makes him quiet, so I've tried to have patience with it but I also feel hypervigilant around him. I've tried to spend lots of time with him to get over this and it's still there most of the time
  • Talks about relationships as 'work' a lot - feels a little joyless
  • Despite talking quite a lot about money / having lots of investments and also enough savings to never have to work again, he has let me somehow do all of the grocery shopping for every visit we've had. Majority of these have been me going to his city, which is nicer to hang out in as it's close to the countryside, so I'm spending money on train tickets AND about £80 at least every single time. This is really stacking up. In comparison, he knows that at 35 I'm still saving for a housing deposit and am going through an expensive egg freezing process. He is extremely frugal in general. The one time he paid of out food on a visit (because I lost my bank card) he asked me to settle up with him afterwards. He probably doesn't realise how much I've spent, as I've not communicated this and frankly find it awkward and quite rude that he wouldn't enquire himself or just say 'I'll pay for groceries next time'. Of all the things, strangely, this one makes me most angry and uncomfortable. I guess because we're from very different social classes and I would never want to be seen as a gold digger (he knows this, we've spoken about the fact that I've always dated people from a 'higher' class than me and that I've always gone at least halves or paid for more because I don't want to be seen as with them for their money)
  • I find our conversation often turns to serious subjects - trauma, how messed up someone is, work stuff - and there is little lightness. He is a thoughtful and quite serious character, I think, but I also worry this is just a chemistry thing and he'd be better with someone else (which then makes me want to fix it)
  • Because he's very open about wanting to settle down, it can sometimes make me feel like he is being spurred by that rather than wanting to be with ME. This could be my paranoia. But he doesn't often express how he actually feels about me, or why. He expresses his affection, I guess, through wanting to spend lots of time together, but even this feels a little intense / out of kilter with our level of emotional intimacy. Lockdown and living in different cities doesn't help - our dates are several days long, which I think I find a bit much
  • He's commented a few times about how I have a higher sex drive than him / enjoy it more. This makes me feel self conscious about asking for sex. When I did the one time, last week, he was too tired. We didn't have enough physical closeness in my four day visit for me to feel particularly cared for or happy. In general I find him just quite distant. Sex feels a little transactional - like he'll do the minimum to make me orgasm, then he's like 'job done' and then gets his and it's over. There isn't enough kissing or general sensuality for me. I don't feel very connected with him
  • I said I was uncomfy meeting his parents on our third ever date (it was a week long, and we'd been talking on zoom for a month before meeting, plus we actually know eachother from 13 years ago in a work context, but still). He said that was fine and they weren't coming, then the day before told me they actually were and I could 'hide in the house as they'd be in the garden and he'd just say I had lots of work to do' if I wanted. I felt intensely uncomfy with this setup so just met them anyway, but felt very awkward. He hadn't seen them all lockdown, and apparently it was just circumstantial that they visited that day, but I felt a little blindsided. I also met his sister and niece on the day, had been living with his other sister for a week and had spent the day with his best friends that week also. It all felt a little much

So - am I looking a gifthorse in the mouth? My anxiety levels are through the roof on this. For some reason I feel like I need to end it NOW even though I know there's loads of great things going for this guy. Any idea what might be going on?

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5LeafPenguin · 22/07/2020 20:58

No sense of humour not particularly kind if he's letting you pay for everything, all those long chats and hard work . Maybe the feeling in your gut is literally there and it's stress related. Run.

Inkanta · 22/07/2020 21:02

It's good you got some things off your chest and he apologised about you spending more than him. Something quite naive and childlike about him.

You seem to feel sorry for him.

VanGoghsDog · 22/07/2020 21:05

he said they talked about relationship issues all the time

Yawn.

He just sounds like a crashing self absorbed bore to me!

CheshireCats · 22/07/2020 21:09

It's not meant to make you feel this miserable! Trust your gut - why wouldn't you? He would be a terrible Dad and co parent for you. Problems in a relationship do not get better when children come along. Would you be happy with that lack of affection/ warmth for your child?
Your lengthy posts on the negatives are draining to read - no surprise they are making you unhappy. Just walk away- this relationship is toxic.

Duggeeismysaviour · 22/07/2020 21:12

It shouldn't be this hard work so easy on.

There should be a lightness and chemistry as you enjoy getting to know a new partner.

This sounds like hard work. Really, what would you advise a friend in the same situation?

Whathewhatnow · 22/07/2020 21:14

You feel he wants to have a relationship with you. You sound incredibly kind and giving What about what you feel? And what you want?

Honestly, he sounds like he would make an excellent friend in the fullness of time.

All that difficulty around sex?? He is either asexual, demi-sexual, gay, or has suffered sexual trauma. His sexual responses are not the same as yours, not nearly. You are mismatched. You are the one who will suffer more here. Honestly, single parenthood is so so much easier than being with a man who is just not right for you.

Andylion · 22/07/2020 21:16

said he is usually known for being generous

Bullshit he is. He's claiming that other people think he is generous so you must be greedy.

Zoflorabore · 22/07/2020 21:21

I had a 3 month relationship at the end of last year/beginning of this year.

I was like you the way something just didn’t feel right. Totally different set of circumstances for us but the main reason I ended it was because he was so bloody stingy and tight with money.

I’ve never felt such relief. It was 100% the right decision as these types will never change and it is so unattractive. The good points will always be clouded by his meanness.

Whatever happens though op I wish you lots of luck Flowers

DameFanny · 22/07/2020 21:22

You're just not into him OP. And thank fuck for that.

You can do better - trust yourself, stop making excuses for people who aren't worth it.

Unchartedsea · 22/07/2020 21:24

I believe relationships need work and effort - but not this much. You can’t “fix” this much stuff.
Make a good ending and move on.
Do not let the fertility concerns pressure you into the wrong relationship.

StartingAgain33 · 22/07/2020 21:25

@AllTheWhoresOfMalta

Fuck, I think I dated this bloke- or at least one of his Etonian mates- the only difference was that he was 26 then and I was 21, so It wasn’t a serious, long term option.... we had both just had our hearts broken and we took a lot of drugs together and had inebriated sex to try and heal our collective misery .

But even in the haze of a lot of top quality coke, it was really quite disconcerting for me- an ordinary lower middle class grammar school kid kind of girl- to be hanging around with this insanely privileged man who’s parents had brought him a town house in Kensington for his 21st birthday. We were just absolute polls apart, we also never laughed and he had a lot of anxiety as a result of his boarding school childhood (hence the drugs!) and if I had ended up with him... well, I wouldn’t have. It would have been like a cat marrying a dog- it just would not have worked.

I do understand that the age stuff is a factor but in my NCT group a couple of years ago (aged 32) I was the youngest by miles. I know a few women who’ve had kids in their mid 40s! I’m not saying you’ve got all the time in the world, but it’s not this bloke or no one.

If your gut is saying end it, end it. He’s not the one for you, that’s glaringly obvious to me.

He also did quite a lot of drugs in his 20s I think, and has lived in many countries, led quite a hedonistic lifestyle, I think searching for something and also almost ticking boxes in a bid for happiness and a sense of freedom - something he said was taken away from him at an early age.

I don't want to make generalisations about whole classes of people, but I do wonder whether privilege and wealth like this actually make it hard for people to connect somehow. He and lots of his friends seem to constantly trade favours - house swapping etc - which feels nice but a little transactional perhaps and like if you weren't able to participate in that kind of currency then you would have less social standing.

My impression of his experience with boarding school - and he has friends that went to Eton etc - is that people are reduced to their accolades and what they possess. He is far more progressive than this, and has worked hard to not be like it, but it still seems to form the backdrop of the way he thinks about the world. His dad would not approve of any girlfriend that hadn't gone to Oxbridge, for instance. He also doesn't regret sending his son to boarding school even though said son has told him that he grew up starved of love, bullied and abandoned. It sounds horrific.

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Inkanta · 22/07/2020 21:28

He is earnest and intense but not playful. I am interested in how you get hooked in. He can illicit sympathy from you and that seems to be the glue that binds you - for now.

Whathewhatnow · 22/07/2020 21:29

One thing that stands out from your posts OP is just how much thought you are giving him. Honestly, do you think he is ruminating over you and the whys and wherefores of why you guys have issues.? That is a harsh thing to say but it is something I came to realise too late in life. If one party is doing all the graft and all the ruminating and having the whole relationship dominate their thought patterns, whilst the other is not.... then it is a no go.

StartingAgain33 · 22/07/2020 21:33

@Whathewhatnow

You feel he wants to have a relationship with you. You sound incredibly kind and giving What about what you feel? And what you want?

Honestly, he sounds like he would make an excellent friend in the fullness of time.

All that difficulty around sex?? He is either asexual, demi-sexual, gay, or has suffered sexual trauma. His sexual responses are not the same as yours, not nearly. You are mismatched. You are the one who will suffer more here. Honestly, single parenthood is so so much easier than being with a man who is just not right for you.

Very good questions. I think I feel sad that this is unfolding, and to give up the lovely things we dreamed of doing. Also sad for him that he has this issue, although I know I have a massive tendancy to put others' feelings and needs before my own and really I should worry more about myself. I'll try to do this!

I agree he could make an excellent friend. We have an uncanny amount in common in terms of the ways we see the world, and even our issues (although I realise that's not necessarily healthy). Despite how it may read, he has never knowingly been unkind to me despite his slight quirks, and he is a very good man I do think - just struggles with relationships.

I think I need someone lighter, and more fun, who also wants the same things that I do. To be honest, there is another guy I had met a few times before meeting this one that I think would be happy to pick up things again. He was gorgeous, and we did have fantastic chemistry and he seems a lot kinder etc - just lockdown circumstances made me pick one over the other, and the guy I'm postng about was a lot more persistent and intense so he sort of trumped the other. Maybe I'll go on another date with him now things have eased off a bit with lockdown (and once dust has settled with current guy). I have a strange feeling I'm going to 'get over' this one quite quickly as it's actually perhaps been more of a stress than fun?

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StartingAgain33 · 22/07/2020 21:34

@Inkanta

He is earnest and intense but not playful. I am interested in how you get hooked in. He can illicit sympathy from you and that seems to be the glue that binds you - for now.
Yes I think you're right, pity is playing a part. This is a pattern for me. WHY is it so hard to get out of??

I do think it's a real development I'm ending things at three months. Before I would have given him a lot longer. This is progress.

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AudTheDeepMinded · 22/07/2020 21:35

You know it really shouldn't be such hard work don't you OP? Especially so early on. This is the stage of butterflies in your tummy, hours chatting and laughing, exploring new places together and not being able to stop thinking about how great they are all the time. All this angst is a massive red flag that things aren't working. Trust your gut.

Rigamorph · 22/07/2020 21:37

Agree with @chinupchestout.

For this to work longterm you need to connect on sex, humour and money.

I may be wrong but these are some of the most common reasons for breakups.

He will probably be right for somebody. Just not for you.

Don't feel bad about it - you can't expect to have a perfect connection with everybody.

If you are still not sure, ask for a little break to think things over, and maybe date other people. In 3-6 months you will know whether you actually miss each other.

Inkanta · 22/07/2020 21:44

Anyway OP - like how you're able to be so open and honest on here. Smile - and let us analyse. Have found your situation really fascinating. You'll figure this out - good luck Flowers

Dozer · 22/07/2020 21:52

More stress than fun is an understatement!

The things you list as his “pros” are essentially lots of wishful thinking/‘mirroring’, intimacy from endless heavy discussions about your respective ‘baggage’ and his status/friendships etc.

dooratheexplorer · 22/07/2020 21:54

You have had far more angst in three months of dating than I've had in twelve years of marriage.

Trust your gut feeling. He's not the one for you.

Cluelessbeetroot · 22/07/2020 22:09

3 months in, you should have butterflies in your stomach (the lovely colourful kind, not the anxiety moths), you should be having fun together. This sounds like torture, constantly analysing and driving yourself mad over he said, he feels etc.
Also - pick you from the gutter and counting giving you a lift as a financial equivalent to you buying groceries. Run a mile

PicsInRed · 22/07/2020 22:12

His future vision is the same as mine to an uncanny degree

Got this far and he's mirroring you.
He's faking a persona and you are falling in love with yourself. This "him" doesn't exist.

ShesMadeATwatOfMePam · 22/07/2020 22:12

has joked a couple of times about me coming from the 'gutter'

You fucking what, mate?

The reason you're so anxious and unpicking everything is because of him. Bin him and go date the other guy.

sbhydrogen · 22/07/2020 22:18

Trust your gut, OP.

StartingAgain33 · 22/07/2020 22:19

Just to clarify, the gutter jokes do come from me initially joking I come from 'the mean streets of (hometown)' - he just picked this up and ran with it. He's said several times how much further I've come than him, and that he finds it really impressive and that it would have been difficult NOT to do well with his privelages. He's quite good at owning that stuff. But he's also just really posh and doesn't get how he comes across sometimes. When I've picked him up on it he's apologised and stopped.

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