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AIBU to not trust my gut on man I'm dating?

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StartingAgain33 · 22/07/2020 14:56

I've been dating someone for three months. He's thoughtful, intelligent, successful, wants the same things in life as me and has made it clear that he sees a future with me (as much as someone can in such a short space of time). He also has literally built my dream life and is inviting me to be a part of it. But my gut keeps telling me to run away, and my therapist says that one of my key challenges is learning to tune into and act on my gut. I'm obsessing and would love your thoughts.

I worry I'm focusing on the negatives too much. I'm about to be 36, keen to have children and tired of being in a dating pool with guys that either don't have their shit together and so by default aren't ready for kids, or who are emotionally avoidant and not willing to put their cards on the table. This guy is neither of those things, and is up for doing the work of a real relationship. So I worry this is just my commitment issues - and potentially anxiety at having met someone so amazing - coming to the fore. What would you think?

Good things:

  • He is open about wanting to settle down, feeling ready for children (a priority for me), about having done the necessary work to get to this point with a therapist (he went to boarding school from a young age and was very starved of love - so had a very avoidant dating pattern). He had one 18 month relationship which ended last year which he said went a long way to healing some of his commitment issues. However, he never loved her and they broke it off as they both felt (I think it was more that he felt) that what they had wasn't 'enough'. This was after they had moved in together to test the relationship (I kind of think you should know if you love someone before making that move, and wonder how much anxiety she was hiding?)
  • He is very successful and leads a really great life. He's open and generous with this life - introducing me to friends and family, making fun trips happen all the time
  • His future vision is the same as mine to an uncanny degree
  • He's not afraid to challenge me and be honest about things, something which I find difficult (I have an anxious attachment pattern)
  • Seems to have a realistic view of what to expect from relationships
  • He's very good at going for what he wants and making things happen, which I find attractive
  • Has great, very close long-term friendships - shows he is capable of longer term intimacy
  • Is very up for 'doing the work' in a relationship
  • Is kind when I open up to him about difficulties, and makes an effort to be there for me
  • Is very consistent with communication, very much leading on this aspect of our relationship

Bad things:

  • He has a very avoidant past (41 years old, has had one relationship in the past 20 or so years and many flings), and I think may have difficulty in general connecting to people. Even though I know this, I keep blame myself for what I feel is a lack of connection in our interactions (I'm not sure he feels this too, although I'm thinking about asking him as it's driving me crazy - like an elephant in the room)
  • I just have a terrible gut feeling a lot of the time. When I'm with him, there's a sort of stilted atmosphere (I feel) and I don't feel able to relax. We hardly laugh. He's quiet quite a lot. He's been honest that he has abandonment issues and that he is hypervigilant to signs of rejection, which makes him quiet, so I've tried to have patience with it but I also feel hypervigilant around him. I've tried to spend lots of time with him to get over this and it's still there most of the time
  • Talks about relationships as 'work' a lot - feels a little joyless
  • Despite talking quite a lot about money / having lots of investments and also enough savings to never have to work again, he has let me somehow do all of the grocery shopping for every visit we've had. Majority of these have been me going to his city, which is nicer to hang out in as it's close to the countryside, so I'm spending money on train tickets AND about £80 at least every single time. This is really stacking up. In comparison, he knows that at 35 I'm still saving for a housing deposit and am going through an expensive egg freezing process. He is extremely frugal in general. The one time he paid of out food on a visit (because I lost my bank card) he asked me to settle up with him afterwards. He probably doesn't realise how much I've spent, as I've not communicated this and frankly find it awkward and quite rude that he wouldn't enquire himself or just say 'I'll pay for groceries next time'. Of all the things, strangely, this one makes me most angry and uncomfortable. I guess because we're from very different social classes and I would never want to be seen as a gold digger (he knows this, we've spoken about the fact that I've always dated people from a 'higher' class than me and that I've always gone at least halves or paid for more because I don't want to be seen as with them for their money)
  • I find our conversation often turns to serious subjects - trauma, how messed up someone is, work stuff - and there is little lightness. He is a thoughtful and quite serious character, I think, but I also worry this is just a chemistry thing and he'd be better with someone else (which then makes me want to fix it)
  • Because he's very open about wanting to settle down, it can sometimes make me feel like he is being spurred by that rather than wanting to be with ME. This could be my paranoia. But he doesn't often express how he actually feels about me, or why. He expresses his affection, I guess, through wanting to spend lots of time together, but even this feels a little intense / out of kilter with our level of emotional intimacy. Lockdown and living in different cities doesn't help - our dates are several days long, which I think I find a bit much
  • He's commented a few times about how I have a higher sex drive than him / enjoy it more. This makes me feel self conscious about asking for sex. When I did the one time, last week, he was too tired. We didn't have enough physical closeness in my four day visit for me to feel particularly cared for or happy. In general I find him just quite distant. Sex feels a little transactional - like he'll do the minimum to make me orgasm, then he's like 'job done' and then gets his and it's over. There isn't enough kissing or general sensuality for me. I don't feel very connected with him
  • I said I was uncomfy meeting his parents on our third ever date (it was a week long, and we'd been talking on zoom for a month before meeting, plus we actually know eachother from 13 years ago in a work context, but still). He said that was fine and they weren't coming, then the day before told me they actually were and I could 'hide in the house as they'd be in the garden and he'd just say I had lots of work to do' if I wanted. I felt intensely uncomfy with this setup so just met them anyway, but felt very awkward. He hadn't seen them all lockdown, and apparently it was just circumstantial that they visited that day, but I felt a little blindsided. I also met his sister and niece on the day, had been living with his other sister for a week and had spent the day with his best friends that week also. It all felt a little much

So - am I looking a gifthorse in the mouth? My anxiety levels are through the roof on this. For some reason I feel like I need to end it NOW even though I know there's loads of great things going for this guy. Any idea what might be going on?

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StellaRockafella · 22/07/2020 19:26

OP, if you stay with him, you’ll be settling for less than you want or deserve.

End the relationship, and look for someone who you’re comfortable around, who treats you well, and fills your heart with joy.

Inkanta · 22/07/2020 19:28

Yes I think this guy is trouble - too intense, joyless, humourless and he doesn't ravish you. Doesn't seem to do true intimacy and togetherness. As you say he's very serious about having a relationship but his attachment style is detached - and he doesn't appear to be into you.

1moremum · 22/07/2020 19:34

I'm just furious about the groceries. He has more money and you are going to his house, the groceries should be there already. Sure, you might make a special trip to get things for a particular meal, but at this point, he seems to be expecting you most weekends, so he should have the place stocked up so that grocery shopping and cooking doesn't use up your time. his having a basic meal plan organized and shopped for doesn't mean you can't go out for special ingredients for a particular meal, but you have been eating together a long time, he should know what would suit to have on hand.

Or are you doing all the meal planning, shopping and cooking, paying for it and he gets to keep the unused ingredients? Bargain for him.

Inkanta · 22/07/2020 19:38

Yes the issue with money is odd too. Inappropriate. Is he ever himself. Do you feel like you know him. He seems like a stone.

Whathewhatnow · 22/07/2020 19:39

It is sometimes quite amazing what we will put up with from a (potential) partner that we would not, from a platonic friend. Can you imagine your girlfriends not getting anything in for you if you made an £80 round trip for them every few weeks? Forcing you into an uncomfortable meeting with frienda/relatives of theirs who you didnt want to meet. It's like the addition of sex gives them free license. I say that as someone who has been in this position more than once... it is unequal. I think he is having his needs met here, and you are not. That would be your future ...

Inkanta · 22/07/2020 19:48

Sorry to keep chipping in Smile - I suspect you are a supply rather than a relationship. You supply his needs. It's not you as much as what you supply.

Whathewhatnow · 22/07/2020 19:54

What inkanta says with bells on.
Narcissist. Sorry.

20mum · 22/07/2020 20:01

It has often seemed that people are harmed by therapists. Yours is getting into your brain and telling you you are in the wrong. No. Therapist is wrong, boyfriend is wrong. You, and your gut, and all the posters , are right.

Don't waste another minute, but, be cautious how you negotiate the split, because this man is a walking red flag, and it's possible he will turn unpleasant if his latest toy escapes. Can you make it his decision somehow? What would be the dealbreaker? Declare you have changed your mind and never want children? Embrace the 'wrong' religion/diet/lifestyle/politics/sexual preferences? Reveal yourself as a golddigger, if that would put him off?!

(By the way, for future relationships, including the rich friends you mention, everything is comparable in proportion. They need to know your financial strength isn't equal to theirs, so paying equal shares isn't equal. You can, but it isn't unreasonable to reach a more equitable balance. If he is falling down under the weight of all his gold bars, and you are skintish, he needs to spend eight wheelbarrows of gold to be contributing in equal measure to your eighty pounds! I have a vague memory of some biblical story of the widow's mite, a fraction of a penny, but more costly to her than all the purses of gold contributed by rich men.)

DukeOfEarlGrey · 22/07/2020 20:01

I find some of the ‘flags’ about him less black and white than other pp - for example, you say that you’ve been emphatic about paying your own way so perhaps this is why he goes along with it. And the family thing doesn’t sound that odd to me - you didn’t want to see them and he did (and you were there for a week) so he suggested you didn’t have to. I’d use the word ‘hide’ quite flippantly in that situation and wouldn’t think it was a big deal. And some people are more intense and introverted than others - I find that quite interesting up to a point and have had a few boyfriends like it.

But all this is irrelevant if you don’t enjoy him. I completely agree that you both sound as though you are trying to tick boxes and forgoing the really vital stuff as a result - laughter, fun, sex and friendship.

I’m no paradigm of getting it all right either, but if I were you I’d stop worrying about babies and start enjoying yourself. The advice to project forwards was good: in five years’ time you could be married with a baby to this guy, still on eggshells, still resentful about money and still having lukewarm sex. Alternatively you could be with someone who ticks fewer ‘boxes’ but turns you on, makes you laugh and has your back as a partner. You could also be fabulous and single... surely better than locking in with someone you can’t even relax around?

AwkwardMoment2020 · 22/07/2020 20:04

It has often seemed that people are harmed by therapists. Yours is getting into your brain and telling you you are in the wrong. No. Therapist is wrong, boyfriend is wrong. You, and your gut, and all the posters , are right.

Eh? I read it in the OP that the therapist was encouraging her to stop doubting her gut and trusting it more. I really don’t think the therapist is the one in the wrong here!

AwkwardMoment2020 · 22/07/2020 20:06

From the OP;

But my gut keeps telling me to run away, and my therapist says that one of my key challenges is learning to tune into and act on my gut.

Whathewhatnow · 22/07/2020 20:08

Your gut is rarely never wrong but as women we are systemically taught to ignore it.

Dozer · 22/07/2020 20:11

He sounds like bad news!

“ wants the same things in life as me “ : you can have no idea whether or not this is actually the case.

“has made it clear that he sees a future with me”: sounds like he’s all talk! And you have good reasons to doubt that a future with him will be good.

Wrenna · 22/07/2020 20:15

Dump him!

TheSoapyFrog · 22/07/2020 20:15

I think you need to trust your gut. It seems like you're willing to turn a blind eye to some red flag behaviour because you don't want to be alone and want to have children, which is not the right reason to stay with this man.
I made a similar mistake a few years back. My spidey sense was picking up all sorts of bad stuff, but I'd been so lonely and hoped he was the one, so I ignored them. I got very hurt in the process and it took me a long time to get over it.
Please don't settle for something and think it's better than nothing.

LadyFrumpington · 22/07/2020 20:19

Trust your gut.

This guy does not sound like the one for you.
When you meet the right person it will be easy and effortless and most importantly make you feel good.

Ticketyboop · 22/07/2020 20:20

He sounds like my friend's ex who admitted he was "only going through the motions" and couldn't feel anything. He had taken a lot of drugs in his twenties and they'd left him with issues including impotence and a sense of detachment. Trust your gut and leave!

Covert20 · 22/07/2020 20:21

Run run run, and then run some more!

Angliski · 22/07/2020 20:26

This is creepy and depressing. People who are overly obsessed with Boeing you about their past and their issues are joyless company. He doesn’t have the early enthusiasm for a shag and he has intorciedyou to his parents on a third date. He is stingy too. Run, don’t walk.

TenShortStories · 22/07/2020 20:32

You're not happy with him now, you sure as heck won't be happy with him after dragging your relationship through small children years. Find someone else OP.

nanbread · 22/07/2020 20:33

Three months in should still be prime honeymoon period when people show the other person their absolute best side, not feeling uncomfortable, shit sex, selfish behaviour, tight waddery and no laughter.

Sounds awful. This is very different to when a partner has an annoying habit or does something during sex you're not keen on or is a bit thoughtless but generally kind and fun. Those things can either be worked on or even accepted because everything else is generally good.

This here however is fundamental incompatibility.

StartingAgain33 · 22/07/2020 20:48

Just had a lengthy conversation with him, which was interesting if sad. I didn't start immediately saying I wanted to end it, but did say that I felt a lack of connection and ease and did he feel the same. He said that he wasn't surprised this was coming up, that it's come up in all of his relationships and that he has huge anxieties that come up at a certain stage that make it really difficult to relax and be light etc, and that he can understand why someone else wouldn't want to do the work to be with that. We had already touched on some of these anxieties before, and his struggles with them, but he said he'd tried to protect me from the full extent as they were coming up as he didn't want me to take them personally and he knows that they are just him in relationships.

He said he had relationship OCD - which means continual checking that something is right and doubts about the relationship. I say weird, because I also have this in every relationship I have ever had and is part of why I haven't been able to settle down. I constantly google worries about boyfriends, talk to friends and therapist about it etc. It's exhausting. Sounds like it is for him too.

He said that in his last relationship he was able to face up to it and not run away for the first time, and it went away eventually, and that he was essentially (if not outright) suggesting that we give things some more time because he thinks I'm amazing and that we have the same values / lots of great things going for us (I agree with this). He also said that he knows he is just not the kind to fall in love and 'just know', but he believes that a loving relationship can be built together nonetheless (I do agree with this, but I need to feel more comfortable on a daily basis as a minimum).

He also said that he would totally understand if I wanted to leave things as he knew this was difficult to be around, and that with his ex he had sometimes wanted to let her go because he sensed it was making her anxious even if she pretended to be okay (she was a psychotherapist and it sounds like she was also trying to fix him and work him out - he said they talked about relationship issues all the time).

He said that he has started to have anxiety around sex from putting himself under pressure to want it all the time, and feeling like he was letting down, which is obviously not conducive to feeling sexy. I don't know what to do about this as I don't put him under loads of pressure, although I did say at the beginning of the relationship that I had a high sex drive and that sex was one of my favourite things, which has really stuck with him. In actuality I've got an average sex drive once I'm in a relationship - maybe once or twice a week is fine, as long as it's good.

I was unsure about what to do and said I felt I needed more warmth, and it was a difficult thing to engineer, but I also understand and relate to his anxieties (I have them too) and to hear him speak so clearly and intelligently about them did make me wonder whether I shouldn't just drop this relationship. I don't know. I feel confused, and not a little sorry for him. I can relate to his sadness and anxieties so much, they're almost a mirror image of issues I've had in relationships on and off my whole life. I do feel kind of better for having spoken authentically with eachother for what feels like the first time in a real while, and to have it be a calm discussion where we both kind and accomodating. Perhaps it was healthy to talk about our doubts and insecurities? I'm tempted to give it some more time, but also worry that if we both share our doubts and insecurities every time then at some point my ego will get involved and I'll just feel super insecure and anxious and end up destroying the relationship anyway.

We talked about the money stuff and he hadn't realised I'd spent so much and apologised. He also felt that he had contributed in other ways like arranging weekends for us and practical things like giving me lifts etc. I think this was just a bit of naivete on his part and also lack of communication on my side. He admitted it was rude to not pick up groceries when I was visiting, and said he is usually known for being generous and he's sorry I felt that way, and that he would make sure things were even in the future (in fact he had previously suggested me getting a Monzo so we could split things, so I think he had made moves to make things more even already).

I don't know. I feel sad and a bit lost. He has been a really kind, interesting and consistent figure in my life these past few months, and I can so feel how much he wants to have a fulfilling relationship. I know it didn't come across in my original post but I really do think he's special. I've kind of admired him from afar for the past ten years, having worked with him previously, and everything I thought he would be he he is. He just has this stuff. But he's willing to work on it and wants to?

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AllTheWhoresOfMalta · 22/07/2020 20:50

Fuck, I think I dated this bloke- or at least one of his Etonian mates- the only difference was that he was 26 then and I was 21, so It wasn’t a serious, long term option.... we had both just had our hearts broken and we took a lot of drugs together and had inebriated sex to try and heal our collective misery .

But even in the haze of a lot of top quality coke, it was really quite disconcerting for me- an ordinary lower middle class grammar school kid kind of girl- to be hanging around with this insanely privileged man who’s parents had brought him a town house in Kensington for his 21st birthday. We were just absolute polls apart, we also never laughed and he had a lot of anxiety as a result of his boarding school childhood (hence the drugs!) and if I had ended up with him... well, I wouldn’t have. It would have been like a cat marrying a dog- it just would not have worked.

I do understand that the age stuff is a factor but in my NCT group a couple of years ago (aged 32) I was the youngest by miles. I know a few women who’ve had kids in their mid 40s! I’m not saying you’ve got all the time in the world, but it’s not this bloke or no one.

If your gut is saying end it, end it. He’s not the one for you, that’s glaringly obvious to me.

WhatifIfeellikeacat · 22/07/2020 20:52

You will get married to him and he will be controlling everything. He already sounds like a bit like a psycho.

vintageyoda · 22/07/2020 20:56

As an aside, is it possible he has an autistic spectrum condition? A few of the things you mentioned about him raised some flags. I have lived around autism for a very long time ( my mum, my uncle, my husband, my son) and some of the pro and con things you mention rang some bells.
Tbh OP, if you don't feel comfortable with him, understanding more about him won't help. You need to be with someone you love.

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