To believe that it won't all be over by Christmas

[caroline161]

I hope it will but really. Does anyone truly believe this or do you think that covid-19 is going to cause a lot of trouble this winter?
Yes it will all be back to normal by Christmas
No we are in for a tough winter.

Whilst I’d like it to be true I don’t think it will be over. We still have High daily infections compared to other places and rather than trying to get them lower more things are being opened.

Lots not bothering to socially distance etc now so come the cold weather it will get worse as people meet indoors.

I think there will be a spike in winter but not many people will adhere to The Rules or go back in to lockdown again.

Depends what you call 'normal'.

If possible local lockdown, dentists unable to do fillings, mask wearing mandates or simple expectations, kids can't circulate at school, 2 week quarantines -- are still in place, any of those, then it's not what I want to think of as 'normal'. Maybe those will be a 'new normal' that most people think is fine by Xmas. Fk if I know.

No Yanbu. With the usual demands on the NHS in winter with flu and winter vomiting bug, and now Covid I think winter is going to be grim. Enjoy the next couple of months I say before the shit hits the fan again.

“Back to normal by winter?”

Not a chance. My bet is lots of local lockdowns. Dh will be thrilled to have a small family Christmas with just the four of us. Me not so much (love a big family Christmas).

@IceCreamAndCandyfloss...Both the UK government and IS government have lied about Summer reducing the rates of Covid. Too many people believed that higher summer temps will help stop the virus. I cannot stress that is helplessly wrong. If anything it only increased the outbreak. So summer or Winter we are going to be dealing with this for years to come. I say this sitting in the states where it is 530 pm and still 90 degrees outside with a heat index of over 100 degrees. Sorry my brain has melted due to hear and cannot do the conversion right now

No way by Christmas, we're in this for the long haul sadly. Someone on another thread said we're going to have Chris Witty broadcasting alongside the Queen

I think this will be dragged out for as long as possible. Even once the deaths fall to single figures (ie more people are being killed falling down the stairs) they will twist it to become about the “lasting effects” (this is already being prepped in the media) or the threat of new strains.

I think by Christmas the world we knew will be in irretrievable tatters.

The high street will be boarded up. Office buildings empty, construction sites lying dormant, record unemployment.

It’s at that point they will pull the real changes out of the bag to “save us” - cashless single currency, a global task force (ie government) 4 day weeks, UBI, that sort of thing,

We’ll all be so fed up, depressed and skint by then we will acquiesce.

I’m not dramatic by nature, nor am I a pessimist, but I genuinely think that Christmas will look different this year.

People still catch the bubonic plague today and it's been rolling around for a few hundred years. Coronavirus will still be here, but I think people will eventually realise that it isn't going to wipe out the entire population in a fortnight and live with it.

I think the over by Christmas is an attempt to get everyone spending and feeling jolly, but no, I don't see how. They're prepping the NHS for carnage.

I don’t think this will be over by Christmas but the bigger question is, will we still have a functioning economy 😳

This is only the beginning

Well things can't get too much worst in the UK and globally. However I will be astonished and delighted if we get some sort of actual containment on this before Christmas and that lovely Brexshit "present" that most Brits wanted!

Looks likely we just have to live with Covid for the rest of 2020 possibly also 2021 too if not longer.

No way will it be over by Xmas.

So if it's not affected by the warmer weather why have our rates in some areas of the country stayed low ? Closure of schools, soft plays, theatres ? Why hasn't it taken a hold in those places like it did in some in march/April?

TheMurk you should take a cold shower. Also why are UBI and a 4 day week so awful?

No, it won't be over by Christmas. But if everyone is sensible - wears masks, social distancing - there's no reason why we shouldn't have a new normal that we can live with. And the Oxford vaccine is looking increasingly hopeful. It might take a similar amount of time to the Spanish Flu, that is 2 years, and there will be spikes and local lockdowns, but it will pass.

All these comments are pretty scary and depressing 😞
Does no one see any positive moves forward, what about the vaccine when they mentioned September? Is it bullshit?

I'm amazed that the idea it will be normal by Xmas (but will be so happy if it is!)
I was also surprised at the idea of sports played in front of stadiums of people is being planned for autumn. If a couple of people test positive will t and t have to contact like 10,000 football fans to slef isolate??

@caroline161

So if it's not affected by the warmer weather why have our rates in some areas of the country stayed low ? Closure of schools, soft plays, theatres ? Why hasn't it taken a hold in those places like it did in some in march/April?

I think it’s not so much that it’s affected by warmer weather than that transmission rates are much lower out of doors, and people in some climates are outdoors much more in summer.

@caroline161

So if it's not affected by the warmer weather why have our rates in some areas of the country stayed low ? Closure of schools, soft plays, theatres ? Why hasn't it taken a hold in those places like it did in some in march/April?

@caroline161...Who knows? During March and April when the average temp.was around 70 degrees of was nere,it was spreading and I actually got it. Before we started opening up.and temps were hitting 80 to 85 in late April and May and we were.still.closed they started inching up more and more. Now it's mid-July and temps are close to a 100 degrees we post higher rates every day. Every day we break the record of the previous day. We closed to.early and then we opened too early for the tourism season so now everyone is coming here and going back to their home states and guess what will happen?

I really can't see it being 'normal' by Christmas. Offices probably aren't going to risk massive Christmas parties for example. That being said I do think we just need to learn to live with this and normal won't be exactly as we knew it before.

@TicketToTheWrongFilm..Transmission rates are not slowing down because people are outdoors. In my experience it's made it about a 1000 times worse. To the point where our state is seriously thinking about locking down again and is being encouraged by CDC

It sounds terrible leanneb. I’m not sure what the rules are where you are, but in my country the transmission rates have fallen considerably even as the lockdown rules are eased. I’m sure they’ll rise again at the end of the summer though.

Boris Johnson will just say any old thing that pops into his head to make himself look slightly less incompetent leaving slightly more scrupulous (the bar being very low) colleagues to come along after a respectful gap of a few days to either flat out deny he said what he said or somehow try and spin it that, no, that's not what he MEANT you fools.
The 'easing of the lockdown' is just passing the buck onto businesses and local government and- actually, the individual - so that when numbers start to creep up again he can blame any or all of the above for being reckless. Countries where mask wearing was the norm have very low rates and have managed this much better. Here people are still acting like nothing is really wrong and their 'rights' are more important than protecting the vulnerable.

It won't be over by Christmas (how stupid to tempt fate by alluding to that phrase) and our best bet is to do everything we can to protect ourselves and our families because we sure as hell can't rely on that bunch of incompetents to protect us.