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To ask people to show a little more understanding to those not wearing masks

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Fuckinellitsme · 15/07/2020 09:20

Apologies for another mask thread.

First of all, I'm not an 'anti masker', I absolutely see the need and the importance of wearing them. I'm unable to wear one myself - I have trigeminal neuralgia and when I've tried to wear one, the resulting attack has left me bedbound for days. I want to wear one, but I can't. I also have rheumatoid arthritis so I'm incredibly grateful to all the people who do wear masks, therefore protecting others and especially those in higher risk groups (though not vulnerable enough to be shielding) like me.

However. I've seen some truly awful comments on here in the last few days directed at those who don't wear masks. We should be treated like lepers if we enter a shop without one, for example, or should be banned from them outright. And we ought to stay at home if we are exempt, not use public transport or go shopping or go to work. We have 'made up' health issues and disabilities and are 'woe is me' 'snowflakes'. I've also encountered bus passengers passing comment and tutting about my lack of mask.

Those of us who can't wear a mask (and are acting within the law/guidelines, being exempt) still need to go about our business. It would be lovely if we could do so without fear of comment or judgement. I understand that there will be those who don't wear a mask because they just don't want to - however, please, if you see someone without a mask (particularly if they're wearing a sunflower/exempt lanyard) try to be understanding and give them the benefit of the doubt.

The nastiness and ableist comments on here (and elsewhere) in the past few days have been genuinely upsetting for those of us unable to wear masks. Please don't assume we're all stupid/selfish/conspiracy theorists/don't care about your health, or that it's a choice. For many, choice doesn't come into it.

A bit of empathy goes a long way, especially in these weird times.

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Hearhoovesthinkzebras · 16/07/2020 16:00

HearhoovesthinkAAAARGHHHHHH

I'm glad you find my situation so funny that you would change your user name.

Could you be any more spiteful?

Fuckinellitsme · 16/07/2020 16:02

wear a by badge stating your health condition

That's not a requirement to be allowed into shops/on public transport without a mask - drivers, shop staff etc do not need to be shown proof and cannot ask for it. The badge would purely be for the benefit of other members of the public. There are so many reasons for exemption on health grounds and very many of them are not commonly known or understood. Besides nobody - and I'm thinking particularly of those who have suffered the sort of trauma detailed on this thread - should have to advertise their condition to strangers.

Also I'm deeply uncomfortable with the idea of disabled people/those with other health and/or MH conditions being othered and marked in this way. Judging by the lack of tolerance shown in recent days it's an invitation for abuse - and sections of society considered 'different' having to wear symbols has some very worrying connotations indeed.

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SockYarn · 16/07/2020 16:02

Yes Hooves, the poster who has named changed is laughing at your situation. That's EXACTLY what she's doing.

It's most definitely not a comment on your ME ME ME attitude on every single thread, me-railing discussions, hijacking other threads for your own purpose, not listening, and being spectacularly self-centred. Hmm

Fuckinellitsme · 16/07/2020 16:04

@Hearhoovesthinkzebras there might be other areas of MN (and the internet generally) where you can get the advice appropriate for you - I'm not sure a thread about masks is the ideal place to find what you need.

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IrmaFayLear · 16/07/2020 16:05

It was a bit mean to change that username, HearHooves, but surely surely can’t you admit, just a teensy little bit, that you only talk about yourself?

ItsNotJustAboutYou · 16/07/2020 16:09

Seriously @Hearhoovesthinkzebras

PLEASE start your own thread if you want people to give you even more advice on PIP. PLEASE stop hijacking this thread to make it all about you - it isn't. Do you realise that?

You have totally monopolised this thread to talk about yourself, it's self absorbed and self centred and just really fucking rude.

Please can people stop engaging with this and get back to the discussion.

Holyrivolli · 16/07/2020 16:11

@IrmaFayLear. She won’t admit that because she has zero insight (and indeed doesn’t seem to care) how she appears to others and is completely focused on me-railing every thread. That level of self-absorption is rare to come across

Hearhoovesthinkzebras · 16/07/2020 16:13

@IrmaFayLear

It was a bit mean to change that username, HearHooves, but surely surely can’t you admit, just a teensy little bit, that you only talk about yourself?
Yes, in response to multiple posters firing questions at me, diagnosing me as being autistic, a sociopath, a psychopath, questioning my medical conditions, questioning why I'm not claiming benefits, a free bus pass, or hospital transport.

Funny how everyone is screaming that no one is allowed to question a non mask wearers yet it's fine to bully another disabled person, insist that they should give up their job or insist that they have a medical condition that they don't have and then have someone change their name just to poke fun at a disabled person.

Nice.

ItsNotJustAboutYou · 16/07/2020 16:17

@Hearhoovesthinkzebras I have just filtered this thread to your posts, every single one about yourself and stopped counting at 100.

MORE THAN 100 POSTS ALL ABOUT YOURSELF. WHY? Aren't you embarrassed by that?

This thread is not about you. I am not saying you're a troll but I have seen trolls post in exactly this way (god knows why) I always report trolls and I encourage everyone else to if they see suspicious troll like behaviour

@Fuckinellitsme Do you want to start a new thread as I think (if we could actually have one) it's a good interesting discussion that is raising awareness?

blurpityblurp · 16/07/2020 16:18

FWIW I reported the name change post for bullying.

IrmaFayLear · 16/07/2020 16:18

I know you shouldn’t laugh but...

I really, really hope HearHooves you reserve this behaviour for MumsNet because if you do this in real life never mind your survival, other people are going to be driven to an early grave having to listen to a constant stream of self-centredness. If you have a family, do you know anything about them? Your dh’s name, maybe?

Fuckinellitsme · 16/07/2020 16:19

@Hearhoovesthinkzebras those suggesting things like bus passes, benefits, hospital transport etc weren't bullying you. We were attempting to offer solutions. And I did not insist you had a medical condition that you don't have, I was mistaken, and I apologised five times.

Really, I think it best if you step away from this thread. I'm not sure it's at all helpful to you, given it seems to be upsetting you so much.

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ItsNotJustAboutYou · 16/07/2020 16:19

I would suggest everyone reports any behaviour that is NITS or any suspicious behaviour.

Fuckinellitsme · 16/07/2020 16:20

@blurpityblurp

FWIW I reported the name change post for bullying.
It was completely uncalled for, I agree.
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DappledThings · 16/07/2020 16:22

@blurpityblurp

FWIW I reported the name change post for bullying.
I also agree that was uncalled for.

And although PIP wasnt the point of the thread it was others who raised it and I think HearHooves has only been responding to questions about it so it isn't really fair to berate her for that.

Hearhoovesthinkzebras · 16/07/2020 16:23

[quote Fuckinellitsme]@Hearhoovesthinkzebras those suggesting things like bus passes, benefits, hospital transport etc weren't bullying you. We were attempting to offer solutions. And I did not insist you had a medical condition that you don't have, I was mistaken, and I apologised five times.

Really, I think it best if you step away from this thread. I'm not sure it's at all helpful to you, given it seems to be upsetting you so much.[/quote]
I didn't say suggesting bus passes etc was bullying. I said questions were asked of me about all of those things and I responded. Apparently, responding to questions addressed to me is me railing though and I'm now being accused of being a troll.

And yes, you did insist I had a medical condition. You might well have been mistaken, you might well have apologised but you did still say it so why deny that you said it?

Hearhoovesthinkzebras · 16/07/2020 16:25

@blurpityblurp

FWIW I reported the name change post for bullying.
Thank you.

DappledThings

And thank you too

DappledThings · 16/07/2020 16:30

And yes, you did insist I had a medical condition. You might well have been mistaken, you might well have apologised but you did still say it so why deny that you said it?

For fuck's sake! She stated twice that you have RA. As soon as you corrected this misunderstanding she apologised for her error and has done so multiple times. A mistake is not "insisting". She hasn't argued with you that actually you do have RA, just had a misunderstanding. Why are you so determined to read some malice into a simple error that has been acknowledged more than once.

Hearhoovesthinkzebras · 16/07/2020 16:35

@DappledThings

And yes, you did insist I had a medical condition. You might well have been mistaken, you might well have apologised but you did still say it so why deny that you said it?

For fuck's sake! She stated twice that you have RA. As soon as you corrected this misunderstanding she apologised for her error and has done so multiple times. A mistake is not "insisting". She hasn't argued with you that actually you do have RA, just had a misunderstanding. Why are you so determined to read some malice into a simple error that has been acknowledged more than once.

Because that isn't how it happened.

She said we had the same condition. I said we didn't.

So she replied that yes we do, we both have RA. I said I don't have it.

So she replied that we both have RA. I again said we don't.

So, she did insist even after I corrected her, repeatedly.

I accept that she apologised.

ItsNotJustAboutYou · 16/07/2020 16:39

Let's stop engaging with the attempts to derail shall we? Please

ItsNotJustAboutYou · 16/07/2020 16:39

Let's stop engaging with the attempts to derail shall we? Please

DappledThings · 16/07/2020 16:40

Well I can't be bothered to read the whole thread again but that really isn't how it read to quite a lot of us. I saw OP assert something, possibly miss a correction once, mention it again then go onto to discuss similar conditions. Not assert again that you had exactly the same condition as soon as she saw the correction.

If you want to carry on thinking she and everyone else are out to get you and are attacking you and twisting your words then knocking yourself out. But life might be easier if you were less determined to see it as you vs the rest of the world at all times.

IrmaFayLear · 16/07/2020 16:44

what the F does it matter, HearHooves? This is a thread about face masks, not about your particular medical conditions. I think people became irritated initially because a fair few of us also have pretty grim health issues and you never say, “Oh, sorry to hear that, Poster, yes, I have similar and...” you just kind of seize the talking pillow and just go on about yourself and snap at anyone who tries to steal your thunder.

Hearhoovesthinkzebras · 16/07/2020 16:50

@IrmaFayLear

what the F does it matter, HearHooves? This is a thread about face masks, not about your particular medical conditions. I think people became irritated initially because a fair few of us also have pretty grim health issues and you never say, “Oh, sorry to hear that, Poster, yes, I have similar and...” you just kind of seize the talking pillow and just go on about yourself and snap at anyone who tries to steal your thunder.
So, just carry on with the personal attacks and then when I respond you can all slate me, right?

It's like being back at school with all the playground bullies.

Fuckinellitsme · 16/07/2020 16:58

Remember when this thread was about masks? 😂

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