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Group chats getting out of hand

292 replies

CharDee · 14/07/2020 11:38

God, this is so unnecessarily long and so ridiculous but I think I just need some reassurance that I’m not crazy to be bothered by this.

I am in a few family group chats on WhatsApp. With my family I have one with my immediate family so parents, siblings and their OH’s, one with just me and my siblings. This is fine and manageable. The siblings chat is usually only ever used if we’re planning presents for our parents and everything else e.g. updates on dc or just general chat goes in our family chat. My brother lives abroad so it’s nice to all chat with him and SIL and share photos.

DH’s family on the other hand is something else. He has a sister and BiL as well as another brother, his wife and their children who live down south. With them we have the following group chats:
⁃ All the family (PILs, SIL and her DH, BIL and DW, me and DH)
⁃ Local family (all of the above apart from BIL and DW)
⁃ Updates on Coronavirus (local family)
⁃ Updates on DS (about our son which is just for local family)
⁃ Sibling chat with SIL, her Dh and me
⁃ Just DH and SIL
⁃ Updates on DN (about SIL’s son which is for all family)
⁃ Shopping (local family)
⁃ Food (local family)
⁃ Updates for all the children (shared with all family)

I hardly speak in them unless asked a question or if I have to tell someone something. All of these chats were made by SIL who has some control issues which I’ve spoken in here about before.

Anyway last night it came to a bit of a head. DH shared a photo in the group of all the family of DS. BIL replied and asked me something, I replied and asked SiL a question about DN. She then responded in the “updates for all children” chat reminding me and DH that this was the group from discussing children. DH just replied and said that it was easier to just talk in chats and not compartmentalise every conversation. SIL replied that it was easier for her to keep track of everything we were talking about if everyone just stuck to the groups. I carried on the conversation with BIL in the original group as normal and was then sent messages from SIL asking me to just follow the group chat agreements (?) this will then make sure she can keep track of everything that is being said. I had to reply telling her that it was not up to her to police our conversations and that I will talk about whatever I want with who I want. She replied saying that she was just trying to make sure everyone followed the correct chats and I just replied telling her she was not a moderator of our chats and that this was just another way for her to attempt to be in control and I wasn’t going to put up with this kind of shit any more.

I removed myself from the other ridiculous chats such as food (where she updates us with pictures of food they eat and asks us what we’re eating), shopping (where she tells is what she has been buying and shares discounts), COVID updates (where her and her husband share links to news about it) and the rest of them but stayed in the one of the whole family.

SIL sent a message to that group basically calling me out for trying to take over chats and said that she would no longer be participating in family group chats. I replied to say that this wasn’t true and that I was happy to talk to the family but felt that having so many different chats was excessive and pointless when it was easy enough to have a group conversation in one place. I also said about her attempts to police chats being ridiculous. DH backed me up and said that he felt that it was silly to be talking in a chat and then change to a different one if we want to have a conversation about another topic and that everything he would share in the other groups he would share with everyone so didn’t see the point in having different groups. SIL then removed herself from the group and hasn’t spoken since.

Of course DH got a phone call from his mum asking him to apologise to SIL for both me and him. He asked her what we’d done wrong and she said that we (meaning me) had over reacted to what she was saying and she was really only trying to keep everyone talking. DH said that he thought the whole thing was just a pointless argument over nothing at all and didn’t see what we had to apologise for. He asked mil if maybe she would like to discuss SIL’s control issues with her as he is worried about that need to be in charge has got so bad that she feels she needs to police family group chats on WhatsApp. MIL said that SIL wasn’t the problem here and that they’d be waiting when DH and I were ready to make amends.

I’m not surprised that mil has got involved. I think I may have over reacted slightly but years of anger about SIL needing to be in control of everything or make things about her for no reason other than someone else getting attention have obviously built up! I am low contact with her anyway but feel like I just want to be done with her. I love DN though and she wouldn’t allow me to see him if I stopped talking to her or if I didn’t apologise.

Was I being completely unreasonable to say I was done with this shit and to refuse to apologise? Or is it best to just be the bigger person, apologise and move on? The whole thing seems so high school and trivial so maybe it's just lockdown getting to me!

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RandomMess · 17/07/2020 13:15

I can't believe she thinks it's ok to plagiarise your wording and copy your business idea... why does she think it's ok to do this?

StuffThem · 17/07/2020 13:20

@gottalovesummer I image she'd be a good konmarie type consultant!

Absolutely howling at the group chat to discuss why people don't want to be in more than one group chat Grin

Also loving the holiday stories and begging for more crazy SIL tales please!

SecondStarFromTheRight · 17/07/2020 14:08

@CharDee

She's added all the family to another WhatsApp group called "Clearing the air" and has said that this can be for us to settle any disagreements.

I've just posted in it saying that there are too many groups for me to keep track of and I don't want to be added to anymore then left it.

😂 She's the gift that keeps on giving.
justilou1 · 17/07/2020 14:13

God she keeps getting better!

gower4 · 17/07/2020 14:23

I haven't read the full thread but got the gist of it. I refuse to join any family WhatsApp groups, this all reinforces my position!

TenShortStories · 17/07/2020 15:47

Did you post about the sensory baskets ages ago without actually saying what they were?

It's reminiscent of a thread where the OP was unsure what to do as someone close to them had ripped off their small home-run business idea, even down to copying chunks of text verbatim from their website and passing themself off as experienced based on things the OP knew about.

Your SIL sounds very stressful to be around but at least your DH is on side. That's the one thing that makes the most difference when it comes to difficult relatives.

Wither · 17/07/2020 16:18

Did you post about the sensory baskets? I remember a thread.

CharDee · 17/07/2020 17:14

I posted about it in a thread, I think it was one asking for CF stories, but never had an actual thread devoted to it.

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CharDee · 17/07/2020 17:14

I posted about it in a thread, I think it was one asking for CF stories, but never had an actual thread devoted to it.

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Wither · 17/07/2020 17:36

She just keeps giving doesn’t she..

justilou1 · 17/07/2020 17:38

Maybe you should rejoin the “Clearing the Air” family chat and tear her a new one for plagiarizing your business plan and stealing every idea you have and claiming it as her own, the lying psycho troll beast! (*Can you tell I don’t like your SIL?) Oh, and who needs to go all “I’m gonna tell Mum you/your bitch wife said that!”) at her age, the jealous, immature, enmeshed, weirdo!

BrightYellowDaffodil · 17/07/2020 17:39

She's added all the family to another WhatsApp group called "Clearing the air"

I dare you to start a WhatsApp group called "Mumsnet thinks you're a loon", post a link to this thread then leave Grin

Iwalkinmyclothing · 17/07/2020 17:45

You are your DH sound great. Your SIL and MIL less so.

I do find it ridiculous that she's made a new group to discuss the fact that there are too many groups but also would we expect anything else?

I would have to rejoin that group just to say "how stupid do you have to be to respond to being told there are too many groups and I don't want to be part of them by making another group and adding me to it? At this stage you have got to be trolling me."

Inkanta · 17/07/2020 19:53

You were quite right OP. Well done for standing up to the sillyness. When people threaten to leave a group chat - I always think that's quite manipulative and controlling. All you were doing was speaking plainly. It's very frustrating that your SIL is now acting like the victim, and that the MIL expects you to apologise. She's not the victim. She is the villain! Wink

CharDee · 17/07/2020 20:24

DH has just called mil because he knew it was coming and decided to get in there. I hate typing "he said and then she said so he said but she said" so will just type the general gist what they said instead.

MIL- Oh good, I was hoping you'd return one of my calls.
DH- I'm calling you to speak to you about SIL. It's getting ridiculous.
MIL- I agree.
DH - I mean SIL is being ridiculous. We've let so much go for so long for the sake of keeping the peace but she clearly doesn't give a crap about how she makes others feel and we're done putting up with her.
MIL- SIL is trying her hardest to include everyone and keep us all together. I want to make sure I treat you both the same and I would do the same thing for you.
DH- But you wouldn't need to do this for me because I wouldn't act like this. In fact if I acted the same way she does I'd want you to tell me I was acting crazy and I'd be so embarrassed. SIL is an adult who in the last few years has thrown a tantrum over a child's party, screamed at Char, screamed at me, said that Char wasn't part of our family, compared Char having a miscarriage to her not being able to get the right dog breed, told Char she didn't understand "attachment" like she does because she'd never really been pregnant and hadn't had a pet (this was when she said that the death of a dog is worse than the death of a child about a month after i miscarried), taken over every family event to make it about her and we won't even mention the fact that she ripped off Char's business. You've enabled her and she's a grown up brat.
MIL- She's your sister, you should look at things from her point of view
DH- Is she looking at this from my point of view? If I treated BIL that way she'd automatically kick off, you'd be on the phone telling me to apologise and I'd be the bad guy but she gets a free pass to treat my wife and my son like this?
MIL - no matter what you're my kids and I need to stick up for you
DH- Even when we do the wrong thing? That's obviously causing more harm than good. This whole thing at the moment isn't even something that we'd normally be upset about but I guess it's just the last straw. We're sick of her being controlling and I won't let her treat my wife the way she has done any more. I'm annoyed at myself for letting it get this far but Char has always told me to forget it or let it go to keep everyone happy. We're sick of getting calls off you defending her every time we say something or pull SIL up for something that she's done. I think we need to think about cutting contact down with her until she realises that she is causing problems and she actually apologises for everything. And you need to think about how you are acting in this too.

He then hung up on mil. She tried to call back and he let it go to voicemail but she didn't leave a message.

I feel bad now though. I don't want him falling out with his family and definitely don't want it to seem as though I'm the wife who made him choose between them and me. But I do think that enough is enough and hearing all the examples there, knowing there's more that he didn't mention makes me think fuck them. DH has apologised for them again and said that he's angry at himself because he's let it go for so long when he could have just spoken up. He has spoken up though, many times! Then it's forgotten about and she acts ok for a while then something else happens!

My niece has just popped her head around the door and said "I know it's none of my business so I am keeping out of it. But the walls aren't soundproof and I heard you on the phone to your mum. Just want to say that you're the best for sticking up for aunt char and that you were the best when you looked after me when I fell out with my mum so I'm here to help look after you now." Then she gave him a beer and me a glass of wine. DH had actual tears in his eyes when she hugged him. I love them both so much!!!

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Inkanta · 17/07/2020 20:38

Your DH was great! He has set a very firm boundary. Long time coming. And he is right that mother in law has enabled her and colluded with SIL's bad behaviour. He has rightly called her out. MIL is doing SIL no favours by humouring her.

I think you can feel bad after setting a boundary - but it's not warranted. Give it some space. You have a great guy. Smile

Callardandbowser · 17/07/2020 20:53

Good on you OP, I would've done exactly the same and it's so refreshing to see someone on here with active boundaries!
It's not your fault that boundaries trigger your SIL. Forget her.

Inkanta · 17/07/2020 20:55

SIL is trying her hardest to include everyone and keep us all together

That message obviously originates from SIL. MIL is completely taken in by these (I care about everyone) manipulations - and basically is under her daughter's thumb. I see your SIL as a bully - and her techniques are covert, which is why she gets away with it. You have to stand up to a bully and you did. They don't make it easy for you.

RandomMess · 17/07/2020 20:59

Your SIL is in part the way she is because MIL has pandered to her rather than face the fall out of her tantrums etc.

Well done to your DH there is going to be a rocky road ahead because this is the first time anyone has set up boundaries to MIL and SIL.

There was a similar dynamic in DH family and the final tantrum was because I didn't send SIL a birthday card.., despite MIL reminding SIL that it is DH job not mine! Really it's about SIL jealousy and insecurity. She got a new partner and withdrew from MIL but her jealousy couldn't stand it that she was no longer the centre of the family 🙄 complete golden child and DH the black sheep.

We are much happier keeping our distance tbh!

LaneBoy · 17/07/2020 21:00

@BrightYellowDaffodil

She's added all the family to another WhatsApp group called "Clearing the air"

I dare you to start a WhatsApp group called "Mumsnet thinks you're a loon", post a link to this thread then leave Grin

:o
RealLifeHotWaterBottle · 17/07/2020 21:02

Im so glad you have people like your niece and DH looking out for you and supporting you.

The SIL clearly has issues, all you can do at this stage is draw boundaries

LaneBoy · 17/07/2020 21:04

And your DH is brilliant

saraclara · 17/07/2020 21:26

She's added all the family to another WhatsApp group called "Clearing the air"

I'm disappointed that it's not called The Airing of Grievances.

LittleDonk · 17/07/2020 21:31

🏆 DH of the year award.

OnceUponAMidnightBeery · 17/07/2020 21:36

@BrightYellowDaffodil

She's added all the family to another WhatsApp group called "Clearing the air"

I dare you to start a WhatsApp group called "Mumsnet thinks you're a loon", post a link to this thread then leave Grin

This. So much this.

You and DH are awesome, frankly I’m amazed you kept your cool this long. The holiday planning was the most ridiculous thing I think I’ve ever read on MN. Up there with Mexican house thief for sheer batshittery.

She might have problems. Not your responsibility. She might just be a cunt. Again, not your responsibility.

Go as LC as you can, and maybe develop an internet fault for the next few years weeks

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