To think the majority of you are fatphobic?

[Beebee8]

Just that.

And stop trying to derail the thread...

I'm sorry to people who have been hurt, you are right this is a toxic thread and I am responsible for giving these idiots even more space to spew their hatred. Guess I hit a lot of fatphobic posters' nerves.

SparkLee "Why does it have to be 'well, smokers are treated horribly so fat people should be too'?"

Is that really how you read it?

Blimey. I thought I explained it clearly enough twice but obviously not.

worra and sorry, when I say I don't agree with it, I mean I don't agree with how smokers are treated, not that I don't agree with the point you are making. As I said in yesterday's thread, I am terrible at explaining things.

That's ok SparkLee. For the record I was agreeing that neither should suffer abuse.

Yes I think you are right OP. I’m not reading the whole thread as I think there arot very nice comments. I have learned more recently that it has been culturally drummed into us females, to want to be slim and see slim as beautiful. So I guess we are scared of fat for sure. We (I have) jump on all the diet and new eating fads so yes I would say we generally are just something like fat phobic (scared of being fat) because of how much beauty we “see” in slim.

Whoever said it's not abuse, it's cautioning deserves because frankly they are a knob

But they probably should be cautioned against eating it, in case it makes them deserving of 'well meaning' abuse

I shouldn't have made this thread in the head space that I did because what I really want is to change people's minds but I don't have the ability or patience to do that on an Internet forum. I'm just so tired of seeing posters so breezily shaming people for their size, I find it abhorrent.

It's OK for me to bring this up in real life because I'm in a socially acceptable body, it's safe for me. Because I can go in to any shop and find clothes that fit me. I can go to the doctor with an issue completely unrelated to my size and not be told to come back when I've lost weight. I can walk down the street without having insults hurled at me from strangers. It's safe for me to speak up on this and I will continue to do so outside the realms of mumsnet.

There is a whole movement going on to bring down fatphobia and diet culture and I do think change is on the horizon, just hope these harmful systems and beliefs die out soon before even more damage is done!

worra Yes, that is honestly how I read it. You see it all the time on here. Not from you personally, of course. I'll never understand why people feel the need to be so unkind and kick others when they are down (again, in a general sense)

It's a massive generalisation to suggest that all overweight people have a mental illness or an addiction.

There are a lot of people who simply overeat, or eat fattening foods because they enjoy it and don't give much thought to their health. They don't really care and are quite content with their lifestyle.

It's rather patronising to claim all fat people need our sympathy and assistance with their mental state isn't it? Around 40% of the uk population are overweight.

I can go to the doctor with an issue completely unrelated to my size and not be told to come back when I've lost weight.

You would be amazed the ammount of supposedly not weight related issues are cured when a person loses weight. Sometimes its down to it cant be treated unless the weight is not there especially if you need an operation. Even for a gastric band you need to lose some weight.

This reminds me of a sad thread a few days ago when a woman suffering fertility problems was upset that they told her to lose weight because the scan couldnt find anything ovary related. Queue posters jumping on to tell her to ask for another opinion that it wasnt right. Then more posters who had been in the same plsition and had lost weight and the problem resolved as well as trained medics came on to tell her that her weight was affecting the scans. It was so sad and dangerous people were so outraged about "fatphobia" they were busy telling her medics were wrong and to keep asking for 2nd opinions that would never ammount to anything.

But besides all that if your not overweight op why are you so vocal and upset by what you perceive other peoples opinions on overweight people to be?

@Beebee8
I don't get it . You are not fat yet start a vitriolic thread on fatphobia and then go on attacking neutral posters and calling names to conclude with what I really want is to change people's minds but I don't have the ability or patience to do that on an Internet forum.

You are just as judgemental as anybody else.

I am responsible for giving these idiots even more space to spew their hatred. Guess I hit a lot of fatphobic posters' nerves
Yes you are and less of the idiots. I've no idea how long you're on Mnet unless you've only joined I think you were very naive to think starting this thread was going to get balanced opinions.
Accusing people of been fatphobic I assume you meant fat-shamers, which is a ridiculous phrase to shut down any discussion.
@SparkLee I am sorry you're hurt by this thread, if you and others were addicted to any other vice you'd seek professional help.
I hope your self worth improves.

I don't get it . You are not fat yet start a vitriolic thread on fatphobia and then go on attacking neutral posters
Yep OP is a shit stirrer.

@frumpety

I don't think it is fatphobia to say obesity is a huge drain on the NHS and needs urgent action.

You are right to a certain degree, age is of course the main risk factor for cancer, the older you get, the more likely you are to get cancer, it is the single biggest risk factor. The more older people you have , the larger the 'drain' on the NHS. Does this need urgent action ? A cull perhaps ? or possibly more money spent on research and treatment ?

The difference is that there is nothing you can do to stop ageing .Whereas there is a lot that can be done to tackle obesity.

OP - let me ask you a question - do you not think that there is a problem with the fact that an ever increasing proportion of the population is becoming overweight? I mean, sure we all have different figure and for some people their natural shape if more curvy and round than other people’s. But that’s not what we are seeing.

And no, being overweight is never healthy. Do you, for example, know many size 18 women who can comfortable run 5 km?

Thank you emerald, that's kind of you to say. I'm peacing out now, this thread has upset me and I really had no business wandering into it and saying what I did. As I said earlier in the thread, I'm tired and have just accepted that's the way life for me is now.

A doctor would be negligent not to advise a patient to lose weight and to highlight the risks. Almost every ailment I is negatively effected by obesity. A lot of conditions can be cured just by losing weight.

I can't help but eye roll when patients accuse doctors of fat shaming them.

@SparkLee It is only a shell it is what is inside that matters. Life is short weather you are big or small you only get one shot at it. Take good care.

“They were stuffing their faces with ice cream and then started lumbering slowly away.”

Not eating ice cream like every single thin person. Or walking Slowly away.

YANBU at all, OP.

Yes I agree OP change is on the horizon. Thin or slim is not more beautiful than big or larger body sizes, but we have been trained to think slim is beautiful. I remember the whole size 0/zero fad and how sad that is. What a joke. Let’s move on and accept all body types and not force women to spend their lives dieting or worrying about what they eat and what they look like. By the way advertising is designed to train and shame us in this area. Remember the “are you beach ready campaign?”

Whew I’m depressed. I wish we could all just be a little more understanding of others feelings and try to be considerate. The only thing I would like to say is that the biggest drain on the nhs is neither obesity or an aging population. What’s killing the nhs is an attitude and it’s the one that says ‘me first! I’m most important’ you know, the guy that rocks up to accident and emergency because he works when the go is open so how else is he supposed to be seen about his bad back? The girl that has a tummy bug but is ‘fucking dying here, it IS an emergency’. The bloke that yells obscenities at the GP receptionist because he needs his prescription now - he hasn’t got time to wait 48 hours. The woman that makes 40 odd complaints that no one cares when actually she’s been seen by every doctor at the practice and referred to someone that can help countless times but thinks they’re ALL wrong.... the time wasting idiots that have the capability to help themselves but instead insist that we should do it for them or they’ll ‘sue this hospital and you personally coz I pay your wages’. They’re the ones we should be shaming and blaming. Save your hate for the people that deserve it, mainly those who disrespect others whilst expecting the utmost respect themselves.
@SparkLee please god don’t hate yourself for the shallow view of people who simply do not understand, it doesn’t matter what they see, it matters what’s inside. Please get some help, you are clearly depressed and you do NOT deserve to be unhappy because of your dress size. Funny how they never see how their hate is often the cause of that comfort eating they detest so much. Address the root of the problem first, I can almost guarantee it’s nothing to do with greed. Keep that head held high, you were brave enough to speak out despite the shit that has been thrown around, that makes you a better person in my book. Take good care

I think it's important to remember that the majority of people are kind and considerate of other's feelings. Most people are decent. You only have to read this thread to see real compassion and kind comments.

Some of the alternative examples above of "people who are a drain on the nhs due to their attitude" are describing behaviours caused by mental health issues.

O P, It's ridiculous to label mumsnet as "fat phobic" and quite patronising to make sweeping generalisations about fat people and say you as a slim person want to change everyone's views. Maybe fat people don't want you to feel sorry for them.

BellyMama do you have a link to the cost statistics please? It would be interesting to read.

In 2014/2015 the NHS spent an estimated £6.1 billion on overweight/obesity related ill health and the cost to wider society was £27 billion (I can't find any stats for 2019/2020) according to Public Health England

I can't find anything concrete on anything other than an ageing population or obesity being the biggest drain.