Is being a short man equivalent to a women who is overweight?

[DreamChaser23]

i had this discussion with someone and I feel there is some truth in it.

Men who are overweight get away a lot more than women who are overweight I.e. relationships aren't as negatively affected compared to women.

And short women in height don't suffer as much as short men. Just look at how the media made people believe that most ideal men are meant to be tall over 6 feet. When in reality the average height of men is around 5 foot 9 IN the US and 5 foot 10 UK.

Being a short man and a women who is overweight does make it harder when it comes to relationships

When was the last time you saw a tall, naturally muscular man (no steroids) that was actually handsome, well dressed and had hair? They're like unicorns

oooh Ive dated plenty of men like this, but we only met in real life.
When I tried online dating there were slim pickings

Wow @AlexisCarringtonColbyDexter you must have got very lucky! It's not that they're hard to attract per se but more that there just are not that many of them.

Maybe it is me but all the men over 6' I know look like toothpicks

@Wolfgirrl

When was the last time you saw a tall, naturally muscular man (no steroids) that was actually handsome, well dressed and had hair? They're like unicorns!

I don't mean to boast, but a few minutes ago when I popped my head into the bedroom. Well, he does do weights, but no steroids. Well dressed... he doesn't have much interest in fashion but his clothes are clean and presentable and they fit well, so I'm guessing that counts?

I can think of quite a few others as well, but to be fair, most of them aren't single. One is though, and he's also loaded.

@Wolfgirrl

When was the last time you saw a tall, naturally muscular man (no steroids) that was actually handsome, well dressed and had hair? They're like unicorns!

My Ex... sigh! And unfortunately he knows it. Which is why I was dumped!

Well actually not that handsome... but didn’t seem to matter!

Most women do prefer tall men

I really don't.

You're not most women, you are one woman!

@TheOrigBrave

Most women do prefer tall men

I really don't.

You're not most women, you are one woman!

Well there's at least two of us. I'm not hung up on height.

Yep.. Just two of you.

Yes, there will be more of you, but the overwhelming majority of women prefer a taller man. It's only a preference though, not a hard and fast rule. Just like men with women.

I am that rarity, in that I prefer men my height (I’m 5’7.5) but they have to have serious muscles, and physique wise resemble a middleweight boxer. My husband fits the bill. He’s also good-looking, kind, funny and extremely successful, so hooray for me that many women overlooked him because he isn’t tall 🙂

I've just RTFT and have a couple of thoughts..

Regarding the page 3..is it that they chose women they thought men should like and they ended up liking that type of woman as a result, or did they put slim big breast women because that's what their readers found the most attractive?

Also, whilst men cant change their height but women can change their weight, the common theme is 'size'.
I'm not saying this is the case for absolutely everyone, but i think the majority of women don't want to feel bigger than they are and men don't want to feel small in comparison to their partner.

I dated someone who was a similar height to me and when i wore heels (i went out a lot in those days) I felt like a giant when i was stood next to him, i also dated someone who was really thin, and even though i was thin myself, it does make you feel bigger than if you were with a broader guy.

Lol of course being short is not the equivalent to being overweight.

As pp said being short is the equivalent of being short and overweight is the equivalent of being overweight.

I put my hand up to preferring tall men.. 5' 11" at the absolute minimum anyway lol cos thats my height and id never be able to be with someone shorter than me. I feel big enough as it is without my man looking up at me.

I wonder with very short men, I'm thinking men below the average female height, do we subconsciously associate it with being unhealthy? Obviously many will be just naturally small but there are a lot of health conditions that affect growth and a lot of sexual attraction is instinct based.

Hmmm...there was also the time a friend's bodybuilder boyfriend, a definite few inches below my 5'6", picked me up as well. (She was there at the time, there was a context, we were all laughing. They're now married with a child. Nothing untoward.) He was short, but very very built. If it's strength and overpowering that you want, I think I'd rather have a short strong guy who can deliver than a tall one who couldn't.

I've had boyfriends who were around my height in the past and it was absolutely fine, thought about it maybe once and that was it. I guess there probably is a lower limit for me, but strength seems to work for me more than height. I have ended up with a tall guy, and yes I like that, but I find the results of all his weight training sexier than his height.

I do feel bad for short men, though. I can very much believe the horrible experiences they have.

@SnuggyBuggy

I wonder with very short men, I'm thinking men below the average female height, do we subconsciously associate it with being unhealthy? Obviously many will be just naturally small but there are a lot of health conditions that affect growth and a lot of sexual attraction is instinct based.

Ah, well this bodybuilder was certainly in peak condition!

I think most women like to feel protected and as if their man could overpower them, and that's probably where the height thing comes from. I'm the same, but thinking about it and looking back on what I've written, strength seems more important to me.

I believe there are correlations between height and earnings too, but I'm not convinced tall men are generally better at highly paid jobs. More likely to be unconscious biases at work with the people they interact with.

I have a book by Jared Diamond, in which he discussed human mating signals (incidentally, I leaned that the average gorilla's penis is less than 2 inches long). He says the fundamental male signal is natural muscle (not the bodybuilding / steroid sort).

Tall men, on average, would have more of it. A stocky, shorter man might have more than a thinner, taller man, but this would be the exception.

It makes sense to me. I can think of men that are no taller than me: no one remarks on their height or size. They're all much, much broader, mostly fatter than me. They seem just to have more presence, and I believe the reason is physical.

@Russellbrandshair

they don't resemble the women I've seen in stuff that is geared towards getting men off

Well if that’s your criteria then women with small breasts, brunettes, overweight women, women without lip fillers will also fall into this category. I mean- if you are referring to typical page 3/ loaded type men’s mags or the porn look

Fwiw

www.google.com/amp/s/m.huffpost.com/us/entry/2717326/amp

Average vital statistics for female porn actresses (who would presumably match heterosexual men's preferences).

height is 5'5"
weight 117lbs (8 st 5lb)
Breast measurements 34B.

So, the "porn look" = slim young woman, small boobs, within healthy weight but very much towards the thinner end.

Ditto, female models (who probably don't reflect heterosexual men's preferences):
www.theguardian.com/fashion/2017/may/06/fashion-models-france-doctors-note-thin-health-photographs

height is 5'9''
weight is 7st 12lb
breast measurement: not given but probably similar.

So the model look = abnormally thin.

The physical things that I think I respond to are a twinkle in the eye and a well filled out shoulder line, but no hint of body-building thank you. And sans popped collar.

I've seen forearms that I found physically attractive, and the snake hipped whippet thighed "wearing my little sisters jeans" thing is definitely a No. Mainly because that signifies too young. So it's not as if I entirely discount physicality.

But height and weight? Not something I think about.

My (4 or 5 sizes bigger than me) best friend get the lion's share of in-person male attention when we go out. She positively radiates something that attracts them. Online she ignores any overtures from profiles that have a "no fatties" or "slim only" bias, much in the same way she doesn't buy so much as a hair scrunchie from retailers that don't cater for over size 16.

Oh I totally believe that! I still think the likes of Claudia, cindy, Stephanie Seymour, Helena, Naomi etc are hella sexy to men. The idea that men would be turning down supermodels is kinda funny is all 🤷‍♀️

So why do you think you want a tall man or a big man or "a man who could overpower you" 👀 ?

Is it the patriarchy? What does your dad look like? Does OLD encourage us to rule perfectly decent men out?

What about bald? Is there a check box on OLD for that? (Never done it)

I can imagine many would find a supermodel objectively attractive whilst personally considering them too tall for a real relationship. As for porn stars, I'm no expert but I imagine it's easier to film scenes with people that don't have too much of a height difference.

I am so regretting the model comment. To recap: the topic was generic catwalk models, not 90s supermodels and modern famous models, who did/do actually have a different aesthetic. And I was at pains to stress that I wasn't saying they or other tall women weren't attractive or couldn't get a man or anything so stupid as that.

It was just that someone made a comment which seemed to me to be saying something along the lines of "Of course men like tall women, look at catwalk models." I may have misunderstood that poster, in fact it later transpired that we were probably talking at cross purposes. But anyway, in response to what I thought had been implied, I responded with something like "They're selected to be clothes horses, not objects of male titillation, in fact there aren't many straight men involved in that part of that industry and they aren't the general intended audience. I'm not saying they aren't beautiful, but I wouldn't look at high fashion clothes horses and use them as evidence to say "see, men have a general overall preference for women of 5'11" and over".

That is all I meant.

Sincerely, a poster who is truly in no position to be casting aspersions on anyone's attractiveness, especially with all the extra lockdown shimmy shaking that now occurs when I as much as breathe.

Although I now will only date tall men over 5’ 11’ - I do know that I am missing out on some really nice guys who are overlooked because of their height.

Pornstars doing OLD makes me chuckle for some reason.

Son: Mammy, Daddy, this is Lola. I met her ....... at church.
Daddy: That's a nice top Lola.
Lola - It's a dress
Mammy: Holy God turn on the central heating.
Daddy: I hope I have enough wine.

@ChavvySexPond

So why do you think you want a tall man or a big man or "a man who could overpower you" 👀 ?

Is it the patriarchy? What does your dad look like? Does OLD encourage us to rule perfectly decent men out?

What about bald? Is there a check box on OLD for that? (Never done it)

This is actually a really good point.

My mum and dad were mere infants when they had me, and they are the same height, both 5'6''

For this reason (???) height is not as big a deal to me as it is to some women. But I get that ''he's like my Dad'' feeling around anybody more than a decade older than I am.

My friend, she doesn't seem to see it but her husband is the spit of her Dad. Gross.