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Making the wearing of a mask manditory

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weepingwillow22 · 08/07/2020 13:49

Has anyone else noticed the worldometer projections for UK deaths have changed significantly since the relaxation of restrictions last week?
covid19.healthdata.org/united-kingdom

The deaths are now predicted to be back up to 800 a day by november with a second peak in cases surpassing the first one.

The graphs do however show that this can be avoided if mask wearing is made compulsory.

AIBU to think that the wearing of a mask or visor (excepting those eho cannot wear them for medical conditions) should be made manditory in all indoor public places in order to avoid this second peak.

If cases rise again to the extent projected here another national lockdown will be required resulting in more job losses, school closures and unnecessary deaths.

Surely the wearing of a mask is a small price to pay to avoid a second peak particularly as the scientific evidence now points to it being highly effective in preventing asymptomatic spread.
www.ucsf.edu/news/2020/06/417906/still-confused-about-masks-heres-science-behind-how-face-masks-prevent

Making the wearing of a mask manditory
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labyrinthloafer · 08/07/2020 20:48

Some of the countries that bother to try to stop the spread of diseases such as covid apparently ensure there is a supply of masks is available for citizens, to buy or if necessary provide.

Radical stuff, helping your country stay healthy Angry

PhilCornwall1 · 08/07/2020 20:57

I think they should be mandatory for everybody, regardless of medical conditions

Fortunately people like you don't set laws. I can't wear one and have to go to the Doctors on Friday who have made them mandatory. They have told me I don't have to wear one and woe betide anyone who starts on me.

If made mandatory to wear all the time, I won't be wearing one as it's not possible. Anyone who mouths off at me will get double the attitude or whatever else they decide to throw at me right back at them.

Sonineties · 08/07/2020 21:01

PenelopePitstop49

Agreed. It’s a placebo to make people feel better about leaving the house.

The number of symptomatic cases in the UK has fallen by 98.8% since the beginning of April. It is because infected old people have stopped being cleared out of hospitals, because hospitals have better infection control now, because crowded indoor places like bars and pubs where you stand or sit close to others for prolonged periods have been shut down, because public transport has been running at 20% service, because tourism has all but stopped, and most of because of the instruction to STAY AT HOME if you feel remotely unwell. It is not because of mass mask wearing, which hasn’t happened.

Dinosauratemydaffodils · 08/07/2020 21:07

Benefit sanctions were reinstated last week. People who have to go to food banks arent going to be able to afford this.

Our local food bank is handing them out for free to those who need.

weepingwillow22 · 08/07/2020 21:14

More evidence here
Two new reports published on face coverings.

The first presents mounting evidence for the effectiveness of wearing face coverings in reducing the risk of transmission and presents new evidence suggesting that face coverings could also provide protection to the wearer. Authored by Paul Edelstein, Emeritus Professor of Pathology and Laboratory Medicine, Perelman School of Medicine, University of Pennsylvania, and Lalita Ramakrishan, Professor of Immunology and Infectious Diseases, University of Cambridge, it is an update onan earlier report from Data Evaluation and Learning for Viral Epidemics (DELVE), a multi-disciplinary group convened by the Royal Society.

The second report, by the Royal Society’sSET-C (Science in Emergencies Tasking – COVID-19)group and published jointly by the British Academy and the Royal Society, looks at the effectiveness of different face mask types and coverings and isolates behavioural factors that have limited adherence such as public understanding of the virus transmission, risk perception, trust, effectiveness of public messages and perceived barriers to wearing a mask.

Paul Edelstein, Emeritus Professor of Pathology and Laboratory Medicine, Perelman School of Medicine, University of Pennsylvania, said: “The evidence for the benefit of wearing face coverings in protecting others from infection is becoming clearer all the time. In fact, we have now identified convincing decades-old and apparently forgotten evidence, from the time when surgical masks were made of cloth and were reusable, showing that they help to prevent transmission of airborne infectious agents. There is now even some evidence that masks might directly benefit the wearer. The basics are simple to understand. There are people without symptoms going about their daily business who are unknowingly breathing out droplets that are carrying the virus. If they had their faces covered the majority of those droplets would be caught before they can infect other people. Wearing face coverings can help save lives and prevent disabling illnesses.”

The DELVE report also looks at evidence for alternatives for those individuals and communities who/that cannot use masks, e.g. deaf people and individuals with breathing disorders.

The SET-C report highlights how far the UK is trailing behind other countries in terms of policy implementation and wearing face coverings. In late April uptake in the UK was around 25%, compared to 83.4% in Italy, 65.8% in the United States and 63.8% in Spain. All countries, that like the UK, do not have an established culture of face mask wearing, but did have clearly mandated policies.

Melinda Mills, Director of the Leverhulme Centre for Demographic Science at the University of Oxford and lead author on the SET-C report said: “To understand why people don’t wear face coverings it is essential to examine behavioural factors such as the public’s understanding about masks and how to wear and re-use cloth coverings. What is clear is that it isn’t the public’s fault for not wearing masks in the UK. Rather, consistent policies and effective public messaging is vital, which have even differed across England, Scotland and Wales. We have seen that people in countries like Italy, the US and Spain, without a previous history of mask wearing, have rapidly adopted face coverings during the COVID-19 period largely because the authorities provided them with a consistent policy and clear guidelines to understand why they should wear them.”

In response to the use of nonmedical, homemade cloth masks, both reports take a closer look at their effectiveness in decreasing the risk of transmission of the virus and conclude they have an important role to play. The SET-C report takes a deeper look, assessing the effectiveness of different types of fabrics over others in cloth masks, how face masks and coverings form part of interrelated policy packages and how the UK compares internationally in adoption of policies and mask wearing.

Last month both the World Health Organisation and The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) in the United States issued updated guidance recommending that everyone wear face masks in public areas where there is a risk of transmission of COVID-19, to help reduce the spread of the disease. Direct people to people spread is the most common way of getting COVID-19. Masks have an important role to play in preventing the spread of infection, along with physical distancing whenever possible, hand washing and cleaning of surfaces that will be touched by people.

The DELVE report,Face Masks for the General Public – an Update, isavailable on github
rs-delve.github.io/addenda/2020/07/07/masks-update.html

The SET-C report,Face masks and coverings for the general public: Behavioural knowledge, effectiveness of cloth coverings and public messaging (PDF), is available to download.
royalsociety.org/-/media/policy/projects/set-c/set-c-facemasks.pdf?la=en-GB&hash=A22A87CB28F7D6AD9BD93BBCBFC2BB24

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HeIenaDove · 08/07/2020 21:14

Thats great Dinosaur.

HeIenaDove · 08/07/2020 21:16

@InsaneInTheViralMembrane Im wincing at just the thought of it. How long were you in there?

InsaneInTheViralMembrane · 08/07/2020 21:30

15-20 minutes. It was excruciating and I wanted to press the button to be let out. But the more you wriggle the longer it takes. I’ve had a lot of them so I know the drill - but I know very few will cope as well as I did.

HeIenaDove · 08/07/2020 21:32

@InsaneInTheViralMembrane Flowers Wine

parietal · 08/07/2020 21:35

you can make a functional mask out of a sock. There are videos on YouTube showing how - cheap pack of 5 socks + scissors = 10 masks to wear & wash.

They do not need to be expensive or complicated. They do need to be worn.

SamSeabornforPresident · 08/07/2020 21:46

It strikes me that a homemade sock mask, made by someone with no sewing experience, may not be the most effective. Smile

HeIenaDove · 08/07/2020 21:47

Personally i have disposable masks and hibiscrub. Which i will be using when the need arises. I wont be putting a sock on my face. Im now five years and nine months since my last flare up of facial impetigo. Its going to stay that way.

HeIenaDove · 08/07/2020 21:49

The material of some socks is quite rough. Almost as if it was never meant for the face. Shocker!

gospelsinger · 08/07/2020 21:57

Masks would mean my DD who is deaf would not be able to meet friends at all. She can't understand people with masks on. It would completely stop her ability to communicate. I wouldn't even be able to go on a walk with her and chat. It would be horrendous.

somm · 08/07/2020 21:58

'a badge to mark out people'
It's scary to me that this virus is being used as a way to separate and categorise people. The way the whole country was locked down immediately because the government in power were able to do it - the way the majority went along with it because the alternative was supposed to be worse.

But the idea that it should be 'mandatory' for everybody to wear a mask? The thought of my mum, who had asthma and ocpd but had an active social life before she had to go into a care home, being forced to wear a mask, is horrific to me. Before she went into the care home with a diagnosis of cognitive impairment she was going about her business, enjoying her life. But she struggled with her breathing because her lung power was limited.

narrowboatgirl · 08/07/2020 22:10

One thing I’m really sick of is people on social media pulling the “my relative has X Y and Z and he can easily wear a mask, so there are NO excuses!!”

You know, “my granddad has had three failed lung transplants, from a Guinea Pig, and he still runs marathons with his mask on in 102F heat with his one tiny guinea pig lung and running while wearing a mask isn’t even the slightest bit uncomfortable for him!”

If I had a pound for every Twitter user who has a relative with COPD/lung transplant who finds masks super comfortable!

labyrinthloafer · 08/07/2020 22:18

There are so many issues for individuals and I accept them, but on the overall issue three things are imo true:

1 - masks being worn by the majority would reduce covid infections
2 - other countries e.g. Italy manage to wear masks without major issues
3 - England is being silly about masks

delilahbucket · 08/07/2020 22:18

Reading the responses on this thread, a large proportion of people think that they should wear a mask to protect themselves 🙄. I worry that a mask over someone's face will make them think they can cough and sneeze to their hearts content but they have a mask on so it's fine. Then there's the people who have a mask over their chin while they use and cough all over a cash machine, before pulling the mask back over their mouth, after handling cash.
Masks are pointless because no one uses them properly and droplets can get through the fabric very easily anyway.

labyrinthloafer · 08/07/2020 22:25

@delilahbucket

Reading the responses on this thread, a large proportion of people think that they should wear a mask to protect themselves 🙄. I worry that a mask over someone's face will make them think they can cough and sneeze to their hearts content but they have a mask on so it's fine. Then there's the people who have a mask over their chin while they use and cough all over a cash machine, before pulling the mask back over their mouth, after handling cash. Masks are pointless because no one uses them properly and droplets can get through the fabric very easily anyway.
This argument annoys me. And it is not true.

Masks reduce transmission.

If you can't use one, practise.

They manage in other countries. Why do we have to be so incompetent?

HeIenaDove · 08/07/2020 22:32

Other countries care about making it as easy as possible( unlike the UK) .........especially at this time of year.

www.arabnews.jp/en/japan/article_17455/

Cold face masks sold via vending machines in Japan

YAMANOBE, Yamagata Pref.: Cold face masks are being sold via vending machines in the northeastern Japan prefecture of Yamagata, at a time when demand for regular face masks remains high in the country amid the new coronavirus outbreak.

The cloth face mask with two pockets to put an ice pack in each of them is priced at 1,300 yen. The product, which comes with four ice packs, are available for purchase at two vending machines in the prefecture or via the internet.

The mask is manufactured by four sewing companies in the prefecture.

"I think the cold mask would be useful to prevent not only coronavirus infection but also heatstroke," said Katsuyuki Goto, managing director at a knitting company in the town of Yamanobe, Yamagata, that developed the product.

The company started selling usual face masks via vending machines in March after its sales of knit products declined partly due to cancellations of exhibitions amid the pandemic.

In late April, the company started placing advertisement flags saying: "Now offering cold face masks," after finding out that the masks happened to be cooled as they were sold via vending machines for cold drinks.

The flags helped boost mask sales and led the company to come up with the idea of creating the face mask that stays cold longer.

The product was developed through a lot of trial and error, according to the company.

"It would be great if we can make social contributions, even only slightly, by offering various choices of face masks," Goto said.

JIJI Press

Over to you Boris and chums!!

HeIenaDove · 08/07/2020 22:37

Roles have really reversed since World War 2 Now the Brits want their own citizens to suffer in the heat.

EveryDayIsADuvetDay · 08/07/2020 22:40

Mask or Face Covering?

most research papers I've read look at both, and in a comparison of masks to visors, visors more effective.

Greysparkles · 08/07/2020 22:48

After wearing a surgical mask for 9 hours doing a physical job in 30 degree heat and nearly passing out I can honestly say that they shouldn't be mandatory.
Its actually shocking that I had to put myself through that tbh.
I just hope we have a mild rest of the summer

HeIenaDove · 08/07/2020 23:05

Id wear a visor to go shopping No problem with that.

HeIenaDove · 08/07/2020 23:08

Grey its going to kill someone one day.

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