Making the wearing of a mask manditory

[weepingwillow22]

Has anyone else noticed the worldometer projections for UK deaths have changed significantly since the relaxation of restrictions last week?
covid19.healthdata.org/united-kingdom

The deaths are now predicted to be back up to 800 a day by november with a second peak in cases surpassing the first one.

The graphs do however show that this can be avoided if mask wearing is made compulsory.

AIBU to think that the wearing of a mask or visor (excepting those eho cannot wear them for medical conditions) should be made manditory in all indoor public places in order to avoid this second peak.

If cases rise again to the extent projected here another national lockdown will be required resulting in more job losses, school closures and unnecessary deaths.

Surely the wearing of a mask is a small price to pay to avoid a second peak particularly as the scientific evidence now points to it being highly effective in preventing asymptomatic spread.
www.ucsf.edu/news/2020/06/417906/still-confused-about-masks-heres-science-behind-how-face-masks-prevent

The graphs do however show that this can be avoided if mask wearing is made compulsory.

I know I’m repeating myself a bit, but that is NOT what the graphs are showing.

In a busy M&S earlier. I spotted only one couple wearing masks. They were in the queue in front of me to pay for food shopping.

They both had the blue surgical type on and both had them over their mouths but their noses were exposed. They also touched them constantly and even pulled them down to speak to the cashier. Totally pointless.

If they ever become compulsory (and I hope they don't), there needs to be a big campaign on tv to show people how not to wear them.

BTW - the OP's analysis of the graph is quite wrong.

@sewinginscotland it doesn’t become mandatory in shops until this Friday.

I’ve started wearing one, it is a bit of a nuisance (especially if you need to use the phone- Face ID 🙄) but I’m looking at it as a little inconvenience for a greater good

It should have been mandatory from day 1.

It seems uk is full of selfish twunts

Uk isnt on 2nd wave, its still on its long first wave due to incompetence and selfishness

I have no issue with them being mandatory (in Scotland), I just won't be going anywhere that requires them. My mum wore one yesterday to get used to the idea. She's never going shopping again whilst they are required.

I would also be annoyed if they became mandatory outside. I much prefer people having to stay away from me.

To further my posts with more detail. I looked up the modelling FAQS.

The GREEN line projection is based on:
Educational facilities closed

Non-essential businesses closed

People ordered to stay at home
Large gatherings banned

• Mandatory mask use put in place

The RED line projection is based on:
All above open & all gatherings allowed. No lockdown in homes. No social distancing and no masks.

OP, you’ve read the graph wrong.

I have one and have been wearing it in the supermarket because I’m sick of selfish twats not social distancing. It makes me feel safer.

@PlanDeRaccordement

To further my posts with more detail. I looked up the modelling FAQS.

The GREEN line projection is based on:
Educational facilities closed

Non-essential businesses closed

People ordered to stay at home
Large gatherings banned

• Mandatory mask use put in place

The RED line projection is based on:
All above open & all gatherings allowed. No lockdown in homes. No social distancing and no masks.

OP, you’ve read the graph wrong.

Here is the key for the graph. You can see that both the projected lines assume that mandates are reimposed for 6 weeks when daily deaths reach 8 per million. The only different between the lines is the wearing of masks.

I feel so conflicted about this one.

We are in Scotland when as of tomorrow you cannot enter a shop without wearing a face mask.

I get the rationale behind it, but I also think it’s a bit like taking condoms to the baby shower - surely this should have been mandated a long time ago?

Also, if this virus is indeed airborne and it is here to stay, then for how long are we expected to wear masks for? And where? Everywhere?

If they are made mandatory Tesco will be the only place i can go. It will effectively put me back into lockdown. Because i cannot stand to wear one for a long period of time. I had recurrent facial impetigo for nine years (which the hypocrites at PHE dont want antibiotics prescribed for now) Ive been free of it for nearly six years. Im not using hibiscrub just to go and buy a new top on the high street.

Incidentally i was told by a Boots pharmacist where i went for more advice on this after getting help from an RGN on here and my fears arent unfounded. Moisture and bacteria does build up behind the mask. She also said they need to be changed every half an hour. So a two hour hair appointment (something else i wont be doing) requires four masks.

Doing it properly!

What i mean is i will only be going out for essentials if this is brought in .................so Tescos.

World Health Organisation on why mask wearing should be supported:

‘potential social and economic benefits. Amidst the global shortage of surgical masks and PPE, encouraging the public to create their own fabric masks may promote individual enterprise and community integration. Moreover, the production of non-medical masks may offer a source of income for those able to manufacture masks within their communities. Fabric masks can also be a form of cultural expression, encouraging public acceptance of protection measures’

Patronising much?

(Incidentally WHO go on to list all the reasons mask wearing is problematical)

@IAintentDead

Second wave will either come or it won't. (I suspect we will have a blip but not a wave) Mask wearing will not make an iota of difference. I haven't seen one being worn correctly. I have only ever seen one person not touch it in the maybe 30 - 60 seconds they are in my view AND the majority of them are like putting wire netting up and expecting it to stop sand getting through. Excepting full ppe ones.

They are hot and uncomfortable - so people touch them. They pull them down to talk and then pull the same one back up. They take them off, push them in a pocket and then reuse.

Lots of people can't wear them for medical reasons (be that asthma, copd, as, gad, claustrophobia or any one of a hundred other reasons). These people will frequently be treated badly by virtue signalling wearers which will be very distressing.

The whole idea is totally mad

Yes some people will wear masks badly or even refuse, but some people refuse to finish a course of antibiotics, but that isn't grounds for banning antibiotics.

We should see about a badge to mark out people with a good reason to refuse a mask, but in any case no one will be forced to wear one. You can just stay at home.

To reply to some doubters:

1. I am only suggesting use in indoor public spaces
2. It should not apply to those with medical comditions that make it difficult/impossible
3. It does need to be accompanied by a public health campaign about how to wear them properly
4. Yes we should have introduced them sooner/ had clearer messaging from the start but it is still not too late to prevent future deaths. If you click on the link at the bottom on my first post there is a discussion about why messaging has changed over time.

In my opinion mask wearing is vastly preferable to another lockdown.

@EnlightenedOwl

No won't be complying and they can fine me

You can just stay at home. I think we can manage ok without you.

Here in Catalunya from tomorrow mask wearing is mandatory any time you are in public. Outside, inside anywhere outside of your home. Thank goodness given how many tourists are showing up and not bothering at all when we have been wearing them for months. For those who don't understand how it is enforced..... Its easy. 100 euro fine if you don't. That's how it is here. You can take it down if playing sport I believe of strictly necessary.

It applies to everyone over the age of 6 years old.

www.segre.com/es/noticias/panorama/2020/07/08/la_mascarilla_obligatoria_aire_libre_en_interiores_abiertos_publico_con_sanciones_100_euros_110230_1106.html

was looking for statistics etc and a petition came up for this, if anyone wants to have a look at it
petition.parliament.uk/petitions/321752

www.exolaincovid.org/basics/masks-what-is-the-deal
is a helpful article on the science. Cotton masks are definitely worth wearing, they make a big difference.

Http://explaincovid.org/basics/masks-what-is-the-deal

No masks defo shouldn’t be enforced

352 got the virus on Monday - out of 66 million in UK - get a grip honestly

Is anyone able to get the projection and easing lines on the graph together?

Is that what you mean @PlanDeRaccordement?

No mask, no entry, no excuses- all buildings except home, public transport etc

£1000 fine for not wearing a mask

That will fix it

Everyone will wear one

FFS the masks are for catching airborne droplets that the virus is suspended in, not a free floating virus. They will at the very least limit the spread of contagion from someone who already has the virus.

I think it is significant that Asian countries where mask wearing is common have had lower levels of contagion, even where they have higher population densities. E.g. Japan, Singapore, South Korea.

everyone should be wearing a mask in any indoor space where they are exposed to people outside their own household

it is the best way to stop the spread of an AIRBORNE infection

This video shows how airflow spreads from regular breathing with & without a mask

Your mask does not have to be very tightly fitted or hot & uncomfortable, it just needs to be enough to stop that blast of potentially infected air into another person's face.

The major disadvantage of masks for lipreading. There should be more clear masks which would help

www.independent.co.uk/extras/indybest/face-mask-covering-transparent-deaf-clear-plastic-coronavirus-a9569331.html