Where are those who predicted 18 months lockdown now

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Firstly I realise that the lockdown in England is only being eases not ended. I am also aware that it is entirely possible there will be a second lockdown necessitated by a second spike. Finally, I am aware of and grateful for the sacrifices of those frontline workers, sad for those who have lost loved ones and both aware and grateful for the sacrifices of those who died in the 2 world wars and in other conflicts.

On 21st March on this website a thread entitled "How long are you expecting this to go on for?" was posted. Several posters speculated that "this" would last 18 months or longer and others also said there would likely be a war as well. I realise there has been terrible suffering and my mental health has been I impacted. However, rightly or wrongly, the lockdown is significantly eased and plans are being made for a near future which can in no way be described as lockdown. I wondered if any of those who predicted 18 months would like to comment here and perhaps admit that they were wrong. I'm afraid I still see their motivation as primarily to drag others down, so I'm not holding my breath, but neither am I prepared not to call them out. They've ruined MN, and they made an awful awful time worse.

If people are upset by pessimistic posters on MN, why are you still here reading posts? Everyone has a right to free speech, according to their own beliefs and worldview. The fact is, none of us know what will happen.

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which is what spawned the anti-dementor threads.

thank you, thought I was imagining this.

Exactly this. I'm amazed that this thread has so many people up in arms about the OP.

I wonder why....

That said, I really think it will be helpful for you to accept that some of the rest of humanity are going to post things that might upset you, or with which you don't agree. You really mustn't take it personally, but you don't have a god-given right not to be offended by another person's take on a situation.

I do see that and agree with what you said. However I also think that some of the abuse I have taken from other posters is unwarranted, is personal and says more about the posters than me.

@tessiegirl

Didn't these posters mean 18 months of repercussions and not 18 months of actual lockdown???

Or 18 months with some kind of social distancing? 18 months is often given as a timetable for getting a vaccine too.

Obvious troll is obvious.

@Time2change2 I will never forget that one 🤣

Less than a week ago the WHO said the worst is yet to come. Are you mad at them too?

A few days ago was the biggest number of daily new cases by a long way. What on Earth makes you think this is over and it’s time to get bizarrely angry at the people who said it would last longer? If it’s over by 18 months I’ll be fucking delighted.

Sorry to dissapoint you OP but there is no magic spell, Covid is not going to go away. If mumsnet Covid negativity upsets you so much you should keep away from the Covid threads. Until you have personal experience of you or someone you know being a victim of Covid you will never understand how bad it is. And if you don't know anyone that has been affected then you are very lucky.
Up your vitamin D, be a good citizen and stay away from other people as much as you can and chances are you will be fine.

Less than a week ago the WHO said the worst is yet to come.

Remind me when the WHO said it wasn't transmissible human to human?

Was it before or after there was clear evidence that it had been transmitted human to human?

How many weeks/months elapsed between the evidence being clear and their statement?

I think that the majority of posters on mumsnet warning about the need for impending lockdowns were the educated, informed, wiser people on this site. I see similar informed and useful posts now on schools reopening threads, the overwhelming majority have very balanced, insightful opinions and it is worth reading.

I know there were a minority who were extreme doom and gloom, but I saw so few, and usually they were challenged by others who were more knowledgeable.

I found those posters ‘complaining’ and just having a go at anyone who had a realistic and informed opinion - really, really irritating and a bit silly. I found posters saying ‘everyone needs to just go to school no matter what’ and those saying ‘all businesses should get completely back to normal without social distancing’ really silly too. Of course there is a need for education and business, work and social lives to continue - however it all has to be done as wisely as possible. The virus hasn’t gone away.

Until you have personal experience of you or someone you know being a victim of Covid you will never understand how bad it is

That's your opinion.

Op you do know you don't have to read every thread on MN right?you an just move on by if the subject doesn't interest you. That way MN need no longer be ruined for you by some people posting something that could still be true but makes you very angry.

RedToothBrush I think there were two groups of posters - those on the ground who could clearly see this was not going to be over in three weeks, and said so (and often got a load of abuse for being “negative”).

And then there were those who though buying milk was insanely risky, and everyone should have their doors nailed shut until 2022. Those guys were nutcases. Unfortunately they were also very vocal, and because they were home all day they had plenty of time to spam up all the covid threads calling people murderers for using their own back gardens.

Two entirely separate groups of posters. OP seems to be conflating them, but they were not the same posters at all.

@Time2change2

My favourite comment on MN during the whole of lockdown was ‘you shouldn’t be visiting the shop for bread and milk - they are not essentials! Absolute classic that will stay in my mind for a long time

The best for me was the one who said we should use cheese instead of going to the shops for milk.

🤣🤣

I don't think anyone has ruined MN by taking a pessimistic view. It is just some people's way of coping - preparing for the worst case scenario and then hoping that reality will be better. Others cope better by being optimistic. People are different. That's what is good about MN. It offers a range of views from vastly different people. I find this helps get things into perspective. None of it is meant to be taken personally. If it was upsetting me, I would step away.

On 21st March we weren't in lockdown yet, we were at the social distancing, pubs shut but shops open stage. Schools were shut to most pupils. We were allowed to meet up with people from any number of households. We had been told to wfh if we could and especially if we had certain conditions. There was not yet a furlough scheme.

So yes, I can imagine that we will still be in "this" in a similar way to how we were on 21st March for another 14 months.

Some pubs and restaurants have opened, but not in the same way they were open on 20th March. Most pupils are not in schools, and it remains to be seen if they will be fully back in September. The advice remains to work from home if you can and I suspect this will continue. We now have to wear masks on public transport, which we didn't on 21st March, and also are advised to if we can't keep 2 metres away from others. Staff in shops are wearing PPE, there are queues to get in due to restrictions on capacity. All of this could conceivably still be in place in 14 months time.

So yabu. You state this was said on 21st March, and it appears that those people were probably correct - as we were at social distancing, not lockdown stage then. IF they had said it on 23rd March perhaps your OP would make more sense. You do sound quite irrationality bitter. I hope you're okay.

Sorry to dissapoint you OP but there is no magic spell, Covid is not going to go away

Please point me to the post where I said I thought there would be a magic spell or that Covid would go away? Experts seem to agree the virus will become as common as flu/the common cold. This isn't the same as saying the lockdown will or should last forever.

@hammeringinmyhead of course it's relevant. You are still exaggerating what that pp said. Are they not allowed to state a perfectly valid opinion (that just so happens to be currently proving to be accurate and is an opinion shared by most experts)?

Why are you shouting? There was no DUN DUN DUN

They simply posted this,

"We will go in and out of lockdown for months yet . Certainly again over autumn / winter .

Things will not be normal ( if ever ) for at least a year ."

Accurate.

A question occurs to me OP. Are you good at admitting when you've been wrong? Do you volunteer admissions and apologies unprompted?

Is apologising, as a ritual, somehow unusually important to you, or unusually normal to you? Were you brought up in a high-conflict, right or wrong, win or lose environment, being made to retract and apologise all the time, humiliate and be humiliated?

Have you not learned to let ideas and conversation flow, explore, ebb and flow, one possibility flowing over another, more of this, less of that, maybe, perhaps, not sure, could be, agree to disagree, revise opinions based on new evidence?

I didn't comment on the previous thread but I do think it's going to be 18 months before things are fully back to "normal".

It's not "normal" to have to queue to get into a clothing store. It's not "normal" that many of our kids' sports are on hold. It's not "normal" that theatres across the globe are closed and will struggle to reopen now. It's not "normal" to not be able to travel to many other countries without some form of quarantine.

You can go to the pub. Whoopie doo!

This is crazy!! The doomsday warnings were of what was likely to happen if we didn't engage on some kind of 'lockdown' and ours was much less strict than many other European countries.

We are far from out of the woods now, and the irresponsible behaviour of some pub-goers, protestors and the rest, is putting us all at risk.

Question: "how long will this go on for?"...

Answer: "until there is a vaccine, herd immunity, or COVID just 'goes away'".

I don't think anyone said that full lockdown would go on for 18 months, I think most people realise that we can't shut an economy for a YEAR AND A HALF (if you did say/mean that, sorry, I must have misunderstood).

But we will have to live our lives differently, under varying levels of lockdown/restriction until any one of the above (in bold) has happened and 18months from the start (say March 2020) until the end (say September 2021) doesn't sound unlikely.

Listen to Chris Whitty and Nicola Sturgeon. They are still being sensible and cautious.
There is no need to get upset about other posters' opinions, op. They are just that...opinions. I would add that (in my opinion) most people on MN like to be supportive of each other. Long may it stay that way.

Are you this much of a control freak in real life too?

What positive spin is approved by you to put on all this? My best friend lost her dad today.

Who the fuck are you to decide your way of thinking is the right one. Everyone deals with things in their own way.