Where are those who predicted 18 months lockdown now

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Firstly I realise that the lockdown in England is only being eases not ended. I am also aware that it is entirely possible there will be a second lockdown necessitated by a second spike. Finally, I am aware of and grateful for the sacrifices of those frontline workers, sad for those who have lost loved ones and both aware and grateful for the sacrifices of those who died in the 2 world wars and in other conflicts.

On 21st March on this website a thread entitled "How long are you expecting this to go on for?" was posted. Several posters speculated that "this" would last 18 months or longer and others also said there would likely be a war as well. I realise there has been terrible suffering and my mental health has been I impacted. However, rightly or wrongly, the lockdown is significantly eased and plans are being made for a near future which can in no way be described as lockdown. I wondered if any of those who predicted 18 months would like to comment here and perhaps admit that they were wrong. I'm afraid I still see their motivation as primarily to drag others down, so I'm not holding my breath, but neither am I prepared not to call them out. They've ruined MN, and they made an awful awful time worse.

@RedToothBrush 🤣 yours arms must be hurting from all that reaching.

What points have I failed to make? My responses to the poster who mentioned NYC & Ecuador & animals on the streets were to do with "apocalyptic scenes" & me taking umbrage with the fact I was accused of taking a UK centric approach. Do you agree with that poster or are you being deliberating obtuse?

I've no idea why MNs gets accused of racism...

** Poster A (who I'm pretty sure isn't BAME, since one of my references went over their head) tells Poster B who isn't English & is the below. I found this offensive.

I referred you to panorama as you seemed to lack basic awareness of current affairs around the world and it may be a good starting point for you.

And this is despite the fact that my point when I was referring to doom mongers & predictions was that I didn't see any predictions centred around America or Ecuador. Therefore I didn't really see the relevance of discussing what had actually happened there as proof of predictions centred around the UK.

Poster A brought up animals on the streets when discussing apocalyptic scenes eg

To the poster who believes we didn't witness any apocalyptic scenes whatsoever, it was quite nice to watch the animals venture into the planets completely deserted.

Goats were an example of the above according to Google or am I wrong?

I was also offended by this as my family & friends have faced far more "apocalyptic" scenes than that posters example.

Posters C & D ignore the reasons why I'm offended & try to deflect with goats. Ok...

We could be in full lockdown again in a few weeks or months.

Of course we weren't going to be locked down for 18 months, that's ridiculous and the country would collapse and we'd have no money to even pay for the NHS we were protecting by going into lockdown. Nobody said this.

18 months of restrictions/social distancing/the virus still around is a different matter though. From February/March this year when Covid started spreading like wildfire in UK, that takes us into the summer holidays next year. Will everything be open and back to normal before next summer? Maybe, maybe not. It certainly won't be over the winter.

Of course we weren't going to be locked down for 18 months

Not full lockdown. But I can see a loose lockdown with some harsher localised lockdowns continuing for longer than the 18 months that people forecast.

See?

Permanent lockdown is what some people desperately want.

I don't think any human being actually wants permanent lockdown. Throwing out fears doesn't mean you actually want it. I think people are extrapolating too much, certainly extrapolating motives from people just brainstorming or saying what they think might happen.

I don’t want lockdown at all but I think we have to be realistic that this virus isn’t going to magically disappear in the next 6 weeks or even 6 months.

Just trying to live our lives around the status quo.

But the cases have massively dropped @Oliversmumsarmy. I get that some people like to prepare for the worst but others cope with optimism.

Seriously! What a stupid thread

I don't think any human being actually wants permanent lockdown.

LOL

"But the cases have massively dropped @Oliversmumsarmy. "

Because we are in lockdown. They can go up again as is happening in many parts of the world so further lockdowns might be necessary, at least if we don't get a proper track and trace system going.

Are you saying there is someone out there that wants to be permanently locked down in their street and home and never allowed to leave there, @Nihiloxica ? Are you really saying that?

I didn't predict 18 months but I don't think it's an unreasonable prediction given where we are now. It may be 18 months before we are properly back to normal because it make take that long or longer for a vaccine.

I honestly thought it would be mostly over by now and life would be normal.
I know nothing!

@Timekeeper1

Are you saying there is someone out there that wants to be permanently locked down in their street and home and never allowed to leave there, *@Nihiloxica* ? Are you really saying that?

No, I'm saying that there are many people who are very keen to see other people confined to their homes and restricted in their life choices permanently.

Staying "safe at home" with their "little families" is worth the satisfaction this control of the unruly is giving them.

Tbf @Nihiloxica I think it would be very unusual, but my MIL and her friends basically live in lockdown anyway - they go to the church, the supermarket in the village and very, very occasionally on a day out with family members maybe twice a year. We do all her shopping now and she has absolutely no inclination to start doing it herself again as she’s been doing nothing for so long she’s lost a lot of fitness and finds walking to the end of the road hard. One of her friends has had a fall leaving the house for the first time in fifteen weeks Because she’s literally not walked outside for so long, and another has not been out since Feb and has now declared she has ‘lost all confidence’ going outside. They chat on the phone about how ridiculous it is that people are going out etc. I feel like saying just because you are satisfied with staying in and having your every whim pandered to by your kids who drop off stuff when ever you ask for it, have a gardener, a neighbour who puts the bins out , etc, doesn’t mean other people can stay in side indefinitely?!

Cases have dropped because we have changed our behaviour. The evidence of what happens when you change back too soon is there for all to see in the US. I don't see what's hard to grasp about this. That doesn't mean I want lockdown - I just don't want to go straight back to square one.

Staying "safe at home" with their "little families" is worth the satisfaction this control of the unruly is giving them.

That's an odd statement. Who are 'the unruly' in this, and who are 'they'? Because it sure as hell isn't the people on this thread.

The USA isn’t evidence at all. They had smaller outbreaks previously so lower immunity. Quite simply no one knows what will happen in the UK, I’d have thought places like the Netherlands were a better indicator than Arizona but hey ho.

Because we are in lockdown. They can go up again as is happening in many parts of the world so further lockdowns might be necessary, at least if we don't get a proper track and trace system going.

Or you can look on the positive side. Clearly you like your glass to be half empty, mines half full.

@pointythings I think if you don’t know these people, you don’t get it. Not to sound like a dick but I have these people on my social media etc and they are real , lol. People who took great delight in others having to cancel holidays, or people trapped in far flung places due to covid, or people who decided to do something like a picnic bu the river - because THEY weren’t doing it, it’s wrong, and no one should be allowed to do it. I have a personal friend who was stuck in Columbia. Another friend took pleasure in this - ‘she shouldn’t be swanning off to all these places anyway, well no one will be going anywhere now’ etc. All stemming from jealousy, because this friend only holidays in the UK if at all, and has never been abroad, so it’s a jealousy/fear of the unknown thing. She can’t just think ‘god, that’s rubbish for them!’ It has to be a ‘win’ over her own choices

Can’t remember if I was one of the ones who stated 18 months on a thread, I certainly thought it. Not a full lockdown but pretty stringent restrictions.

I think until there’s a vaccine thjs is how things will be, so social distancing, queues to get in shops, some activities restricted, constant threat of local lockdowns as there are spikes.

I think the lowering of cases now is partly due to measures that have been taken and partly due to it being summer. There’s a good chance that as a coronavirus it behaves like the common cold and is more prevalent in autumn/winter/spring. I think there will likely be an increase in cases from Oct onwards. I hope I’m wrong. Maybe knowledge will help to combat it as people isolate at first sign of symptoms, etc.

I do think if people can’t handle reading such opinions from randoms on the internet then maybe the internet isn’t the best place for them.

Yes cases have massively dropped but unless the world is at zero infection or very near it as we in the northern hemisphere head into the Autumn and Winter plus the easing of lockdown the infection rates are going to rise and by next Spring hopefully won’t be at the rate they were this Spring.

I think then by the end of summer we could be at the very low infection rate which will mean that whilst they will rise a little over the autumn/winter when we go into the summer we can actually get rid of this virus.