Where are those who predicted 18 months lockdown now

[AfterAte]

Firstly I realise that the lockdown in England is only being eases not ended. I am also aware that it is entirely possible there will be a second lockdown necessitated by a second spike. Finally, I am aware of and grateful for the sacrifices of those frontline workers, sad for those who have lost loved ones and both aware and grateful for the sacrifices of those who died in the 2 world wars and in other conflicts.

On 21st March on this website a thread entitled "How long are you expecting this to go on for?" was posted. Several posters speculated that "this" would last 18 months or longer and others also said there would likely be a war as well. I realise there has been terrible suffering and my mental health has been I impacted. However, rightly or wrongly, the lockdown is significantly eased and plans are being made for a near future which can in no way be described as lockdown. I wondered if any of those who predicted 18 months would like to comment here and perhaps admit that they were wrong. I'm afraid I still see their motivation as primarily to drag others down, so I'm not holding my breath, but neither am I prepared not to call them out. They've ruined MN, and they made an awful awful time worse.

Why are we talking about goats?!

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But anyone who said that (not me) was only guessing same as anyone else. What does it matter?

A deserted Times Square or Trevi Fountain is certainly unusual though.

Unusual or apocalyptic?

My apps gone wild, must be the goats!

FYI @youhave4substitutes be careful at who you accuse of this If you can't think beyond UK borders as demonstrated earlier

Or have you yourself not grasped your own advice regarding a *lack basic awareness of current affairs around the world

@doolallyboo for the last time...this was you

"Oh I didn't realise we were discussing worldwide examples."

Many MNetters are living in Spain, the USA, Italy and so on. The most current topic is international travel. Why would we only discuss UK examples?

I'm not "accusing" anyone of anything. I'm simply commenting that all your posts only concern the UK. Why are you telling me to "be careful"

Have I something to worry about because you focused on high streets, London and goats?

@AfterAte

Whilst I understand your feelings of frustration and anxiety (I would imagine most people in the world are experiencing some degree of this) I think you need to reflect upon your need to have someone, anyone, to blame. You probably saw MN as a place where you could safely come to talk, to discuss, to gain encouragement and sympathy for your issues, which it still is. You seem to have allowed a few negative posts to adversely affect you - even disproportionately so.

Part of the human failing is that we look for someone to blame when things go wrong and I would suggest you have some misplaced anger going on here. No-one can be held to account for the virus; it is what it is and directing your feelings towards some nameless individuals on MN who perhaps frightened you with their sober prophecies is not going to help you feel better. They are not to blame, so don't waste your anger on them.

You need to consciously acknowledge this and move on.

I'm not "accusing" anyone of anything. I'm simply commenting that all your posts only concern the UK. Why are you telling me to "be careful"

The OP was talking about predictions. Then some posters started using other countries as proof of their predictions although I still haven't seen apocalyptic examples anywhere. I very rarely see international issues or global issues discussed on here but of course someone will pull out "Ecuador" in the context of Covid to prove their point.

If you don't understand why you should be careful I can't explain it to you.

Your welcome to prove me wrong & find predictions from the beginning of the year that referenced Ecuador or similar?

Am I welcome to find "predictions" that reference NYC or similar? The example I gave before Ecuador

Haven't Read The Full Thread but have read the first page and your first two responses, and OP I think you are gaslighting posters and projecting your own attitude and behaviour on others. You say people want to big themselves up, all I can see is you want to smugly stick your tongue out and say 'see! You were wrong! nanananana' This pandemic is nowhere near over. The pandemic and/or lockdown could go on for 18 months. We don't know, do we? So I think you are being very premature in your desperation to big note yourself and smugly and self-righteously make a point that isn't really even a point at all.

I recall no one, absolutely NO.....ONE on here wanting to 'drag others down' on here. That is a lie. What I do recall are people who refused to believe Coronavirus was real, who refused to believe it was more serious than the flu, and who refused to believe any type of lockdown would ever come into play. They were in denial and played 'shoot the messenger'. Anyone who CARED ENOUGH about people's lives, and people on this board who wanted to make sure people on here took precautions - for their own sake, was shot down in flames by the conspiracy theorists. I could just as easily make the claim that those like yourself wanted to see people die and everyone miserable. That you didn't want anyone warned, that you wanted death, mayhem and chaos. Because to be absolutely heartfelt honest? That is what I see your and other people's motivations. The motivations of the conspiracy theorists and the denialists. Blaming the caring messenger. Caring enough to want people to take precautions is NOT wanting people to be miserable. It is wanting people on here to be SAFE. And I question the motive of anyone who DIDN'T want people informed and want them safe. To me, you are gaslighting the caring and informed posters on here because your motivation is to see death and sickness. So you automatically believe the decent people on here have bad motives like you. It is the conspiracy theorist denialers and the messenger shooters that have ruined MN. Their need to be 'different' and to embrace persecution because of that need to be the one who denies reality, is what has ruined MN (if it is indeed ruined). I think it is the selfish denialists in society who have done irreparable damage. Not those who CARE and want people to be SAFE and informed. What are the motives of the denialists? Where are all the denialists now? Quiet and hiding.

Yes of course you can show me apocalyptic predictions from a NYC & Ecuador perspective or similar countries. The doom mongers I saw were all very UK centric.

@youhave4substitutes

Do you think it's appropriate to tell someone with immigrant parents & BAME family that all live outside the UK that they lack awareness of issues outside of the UK?

Potentially hypocritical too.

[quote doolallyboo]@PicsInRed can you tell us what prudent plans to make?[/quote]
Nah.

I'm shook by that response, said no one ever.

OP. I find your post pathetic. No, no one should admitted they where wrong. This pandemic is not over and going by reports today still has a long way to go. No one was wrong, people where giving their opinion at the time. None off us can see onto the future, none of us know what will happen next, everyone is just speculating, yes OP that includes you. No one should have to admit that they where wrong to appease you OP 😂😂😂 mainly because they weren't wrong, they where giving their opinion at tne time.

@AfterAte

I realise a vast amount of people will disagree with me, but I do still think there are posters on here who would like to see people locked down for 18 months or longer and who would be happy for there to be a second wave, because there are people who enjoy extinguishing any life enjoyment in other people. There is a special enjoyment for some of these in looking for sparks of hope and optimism and gleefully trampling them down. As for the posters who have said I don't have any trauma in my own life, you don't know me and you don't know anything about my life so please don't presume that you do. I am well aware that many many people disagree and this is everybody's right but I do think it says something how many posters have been moved to tell me to "get a fucking grip", tell me that I must have compromised mental health or that I need psychological help. Oh and for the nth time, I have never said that the virus is going away. I really do not understand why so many people feel the need to state this when I don't think anyone is suggesting it is.

If you attribute this level of malevolence to strangers on an internet forum, and you're still here, I think it's time to take a break.

This isn’t going away magically so don’t think it’s all over because restrictions are being eased.
It’s more of a release your foot off the break and see what happens before you have to put it back on.
Places in Spain are back in lockdown, suburbs in Beijing, so are parts of Melbourne, Australia.

3 weeks ago here in Australia we were totally fine, lowered restrictions back almost life as normal. Now?? Not so much. (Maybe because we celebrated our “win” before it was done.)
Here borders are closed between states as well country border to non-residents and Federal Govt as saying they will remain so till mid 2021.

Nothing is finished. It’s part way through.
Enjoy the ease, don’t think it’s normal though.

I think I understand where you are coming from OP.

From my perspective, it wasn't so much those giving their honest opinion (even if that was extensive long term lockdown) that was depressing, but those that delivered it in a really unpleasant way (and there were loads.)

Posters would start a thread asking when people thought something or other would be permitted and it was clear they were feeling very desperate and hoping for reassurance. That might have given them false hope but kindly suggesting that it might be a while yet, or not replying at all, would have been far better than the multitude of posters who'd simply reply smugly with

"June

2021"

And then those "literally murdering people" types as well who'd invented their own guidelines, and the race to the bottom posters who felt that nothing was worth asking for advice or help with unless it was from the context of the absolute worst of human tragedy.

There were some really, really vitriolic posts here especially in early lockdown and the saddest thing is that often I felt they were in response to the most desperate posters.

I was in my first trimester then and really worried about possible impact of the virus on my pregnancy and also worried about the impact of my mental health. Obviously I can't blame posters for worsening it as it was my choice to read but reading most threads here at that time (by then they weren't just on the coronavirus topic anymore) made me feel so awful that I just came off mumsnet for a couple of months and it helped enormously.

Like most things in life it's all in the delivery and I'm sure many took pleasure in kicking posters when they were down.

@lunar1

Are you this much of a control freak in real life too?

What positive spin is approved by you to put on all this? My best friend lost her dad today.

Who the fuck are you to decide your way of thinking is the right one. Everyone deals with things in their own way.

I am sorry about your friends father. But, this is a really unpleasant post.

@doolallyboo

I really wish people would educate themselves about the issues through experts reported in the news.

Just so patronising.

Who thinks Covid has gone away?

Is that what you took from my post? I think qed.

I got lost at The Goats as some sort of argument for 'not Ecuador or NYC' or something.

I definitely need educating in wtf goats have to do with anything apart from a bizarre way to win an argument when you've run out of other points to make.