Is anyone else boycotting Tesco's for giving £80,000 to Mermaids?

[loveyouradvice]

Just that really... I was shocked, especially given all the news coverage there has been about the issues recently. I would have expected them to give it to an uncontroversial charity at the very least - and ideally one that most of their customers would like to support

Family yup, clocked the Karen reference earlier too and ignored it.

I guess it's ok to use that when your putting other women in their place .

Lemonade not all trans women are legally classed as women. You need a GRC for that. Did you know something like 80% will never physically transition in anyway? So that part of them which is the biggest reminder of their biological sex they (quite literally) will never let go of?

And back to the flag in ears - I read that as an individual so blinded by trans ideology and it's clumsy association with LGB that they will accept anything they are told and won't challenge. Because as we've said before LGB is an orientation, the T and other guns stuff is gender. Which is a social construct.

Claiming that the phrase “rainbows stuffed in your ears” is homophobic is ridiculous. Hallelujah.

Sigh, just....
if you say so
man alive

They are not ‘legally female’. It is a legal fiction.

That designation in law was brought in for specific reasons mostly relating to gay men (and most of which are outdated now due to other developments in law and legislation), none of which entailed literally becoming a woman, legal or otherwise.

Pot worded it better, thank you.

Oh, and to keep it on topic, I am also waiting for a defense of Mermaids, addressing all the various points already brought up as matters of safeguarding concern.

Threads like these are gold, as you really can't help but prove the EXACT bloody point people are making!

Yes, that's what you personally think people are thinking, but I don't think you necessarily have the best handle on what other people think, as people have come to FWR saying how the arguments on MN have woken them up to what's going on. Perspective, again.

Yes, they are gold, despite the derails.

Also back to Tesco ... dreadful place I shan't miss it.

Oh, and to keep it on topic, I am also waiting for a defense of Mermaids, addressing all the various points already brought up as matters of safeguarding concern.

Yes, me too.

@LemonadeAndDaisyChains

Quote the person who tried to silence mentioning autistic children as "disablist" and hi-five each other. I see you.

I haven't ever mentioned or tried to silence disablist posts.
Even if that was a post by someone, what, I'm not allowed to agree with anything else they say on principle?
How does that work, then?
So not sure what your "I see you" is all about.
People can disagree on some points and agree on others you know!

Greyt quoted that rainbow flag post are called it disablist for mentioning the impact of mermaids on autistic children.

That is silencing people for being concerned about the rights of disabled children. Right now. Right here.

I have tried to be respectful all the way through this thread even though what you see as an academic discussion is intensely personal to my life and my community. I have not resorted to calling 'disablist' because without explanation it is unhelpful.

And now 'disablist' is being used to shout people down for raising concerns for us.

What the actual...

Family yup, clocked the Karen reference earlier too and ignored it.I guess it's ok to use that when your putting other women in their place

Didn't see that reference, but I'm guessing it's OK to use "when putting other women in their place" just like calling other women brainwashed handmaidens is to others?
In other words, pot, kettle black

Tesco honestly won't miss any of your custom

Well they certainly won’t miss mine, as I avoid them anyway. But I think when more people become aware of what Mermaids do, they are likely to have concerns, and if so I hope they will express those concerns directly to Tesco.

If they are sensible, organisations do pay attention to direct communication from their customer base. Boycotting can be more about raising awareness than trying to hit an organisation financially - especially a behemoth like Tesco.

Threads like these are gold, as you really can't help but prove the EXACT bloody point people are making! Yep. that there are some posters who consistently pop up to derail a thread, call phobia but never actually contribute or provide strong and irrefutable evidence to support their ideas, and statements of phobia that is not removed from MN.

Now, some excellent questions have been posted in the past half hour about Mermaids. What are your thoughts on them?

That is silencing people for being concerned about the rights of disabled children. Right now. Right here.

I have tried to be respectful all the way through this thread even though what you see as an academic discussion is intensely personal to my life and my community. I have not resorted to calling 'disablist' because without explanation it is unhelpful.

And now 'disablist' is being used to shout people down for raising concerns for us.

YY. It is a valid concern for vulnerable children and the attempt to shut it down is worrying.

Totally agree with you @loveyouradvice

as people have come to FWR saying how the arguments on MN have woken them up to what's going on. Perspective, again

Yes, but there's people who are "woken up" the other way too - they see the pile ons, they see the gaslighting, the twisting....
So all good.
It's up to the individual what they see.

Again another phrase I've not seen on this thread but I'll take your word for it

If you want to discuss some issues which have me worried though I've posted a few questions previously we could start with?

^Yes, but there's people who are "woken up" the other way too - they see the pile ons, they see the gaslighting, the twisting....
So all good.^
It's up to the individual what they see.

Yes, which was my point. I'm completely ok with what people see.

Again another phrase I've not seen on this thread but I'll take your word for it

On this thread? That's all you take away from what I said?
OK.

I'm completely ok with what people see

So am I.

Didn't see that reference, but I'm guessing it's OK to use "when putting other women in their place" just like calling other women brainwashed handmaidens is to others?

Not actually seen “brainwashed handmaidens” on this thread, but do please link. The “Karens” comment is right at the beginning, and no-one mentioned it probably because the people who use the phrase seem very immature so it feels like a waste of time to engage.

Not actually seen “brainwashed handmaidens” on this thread, but do please link

Again - on this thread? That's all you take away from what I've said?
OK.

By the way, I never got an answer to this post, Lemonade

LemonadeAndDaisyChains

Interesting Section 28's been brought up -
Some parts of the whole debate I see as section 28 too -
The whole "contagion" argument I've seen on here a lot (here being MN for clarity)
Don't talk to kids about being trans, don't affirm it, and if your kid sees other kids who are trans, that means they might be or are "influenced" to become trans too.
Replace the word trans with gay - how is that ever OK?

I recognise that you think they are analogous, but can you recognise that I and others feel the current situation looks too similar to the many, many,manycases where disabled women and girls have been manipulated into agreeing to sterilisation, without just shouting 'you transphobic'?

www.hrw.org/news/2011/11/10/sterilization-women-and-girls-disabilities

Can you understand that when think you are calling out transphobia,I think you are condoning disablism?

The “Karens” comment is right at the beginning, and no-one mentioned it probably because the people who use the phrase seem very immature so it feels like a waste of time to engage.

Yes, I just rolled my eyes at the level of "debate"

This is an AIBU thread about Mermaids, not how terrible you think FWR is.