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Is anyone else boycotting Tesco's for giving £80,000 to Mermaids?

999 replies

loveyouradvice · 05/07/2020 17:20

Just that really... I was shocked, especially given all the news coverage there has been about the issues recently. I would have expected them to give it to an uncontroversial charity at the very least - and ideally one that most of their customers would like to support

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LemonadeAndDaisyChains · 06/07/2020 14:05

That that's great, I was referring to the children who were not happy with their decision, the ones that were mentioned in the court cases.

That makes more sense, and I've seen you say that.
The amount of word twisting on here is fricking insane.

Impatiens · 06/07/2020 14:05

Oh and it's not about defending mermaids, it's about blaming the right people.

And that would be Mermaids.

GreytExpectations · 06/07/2020 14:06

@LemonadeAndDaisyChains

That that's great, I was referring to the children who were not happy with their decision, the ones that were mentioned in the court cases.

That makes more sense, and I've seen you say that.
The amount of word twisting on here is fricking insane.

Yeah, word twisting is the only "debate" technique these types of posters have. They can't seem to handle people disagreeing with them so they just resort to making ridiculous assumptions
GreytExpectations · 06/07/2020 14:07

@Impatiens

Oh and it's not about defending mermaids, it's about blaming the right people.

And that would be Mermaids.

That would be the parents. Why are you so keen to dismiss the parental responsibility in this?
Ereshkigalangcleg · 06/07/2020 14:08

I wonder why you're so keen to defend them?

Maybe because I have a different opinion to you. I'm sure that a very difficult concept for you to grasp.

That's funny, a few minutes earlier you said you didn't have an opinion on them either way, you were neutral?

LemonadeAndDaisyChains · 06/07/2020 14:09

The good thing about these type of threads when they crop up though - it shows it IS exactly what happens, despite all the Why Won't You Point Out or " We Want Debate, Honest"
Aye. Righto, people can read.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 06/07/2020 14:09

I don't have an opinion on them either way, I'm neutral really. But a parent is more than welcome to consult them all they want but why wouldn't a parent also speak to a GP and look into the risks involved in a procedure? That's my point. I don't think a parent should only consult them. Such a life changing thing for their child should require a good amount of research

Your words, Greyt

LemonadeAndDaisyChains · 06/07/2020 14:10

Bloody hell, dunno what happened there, how I've managed to bold half post Blush Grin
It was all me lol, I wasn't quoting anyone

Ereshkigalangcleg · 06/07/2020 14:10

Righto, people can read.

They sure can. Great opportunity to discuss it.

GreytExpectations · 06/07/2020 14:12

@Ereshkigalangcleg

I wonder why you're so keen to defend them?

Maybe because I have a different opinion to you. I'm sure that a very difficult concept for you to grasp.

That's funny, a few minutes earlier you said you didn't have an opinion on them either way, you were neutral?

Read what has been asked and said, slowly this time. I disagreed with that posters opinion, doesn't mean I can't be neutral to the organisation.
GreytExpectations · 06/07/2020 14:13

@Ereshkigalangcleg

I don't have an opinion on them either way, I'm neutral really. But a parent is more than welcome to consult them all they want but why wouldn't a parent also speak to a GP and look into the risks involved in a procedure? That's my point. I don't think a parent should only consult them. Such a life changing thing for their child should require a good amount of research

Your words, Greyt

Well done, you used the quote function. Not sure what your point is considering I was disagreeing to that poster
Impatiens · 06/07/2020 14:15

That would be the parents. Why are you so keen to dismiss the parental responsibility in this?

I've already said that parents can be as vulnerable to suggestion as their confused kids, that's not dismissing parental responsibility but giving a reason why they might be susceptible to Mermaids bias.

Why are you so keen to dismiss any responsibility for Mermaids, given that they are representing themselves as a source of authority on this issue?

Impatiens · 06/07/2020 14:17

You can't claim to be 'neutral' to Mermaids while busting a gut trying to absolve them of any blame in a future (not too distant future) court case.

blubellsarebells · 06/07/2020 14:18

How can you be neutral about mermaids signposting people to a Dr who is struck off in this country and prescribes blockers from spain without even meeting with the child?
Thats something i think is disgusting and abhorrent, I dont know how anyone can be neutral about it.
Its a shocking circumventing of safeguarding that mermaids are actively encouraging, and tesco and the like are endorsing.
How did we get here?

RufustheRowlingReindeer · 06/07/2020 14:19

I see your other post you've removed yourself, why?

Ironically i did say why i removed it

I know what I'm reading, thank you for your concern about my reading comprehension though

Actually thats fair...it was a rude comment cos I wasn’t saying that people with trans family can’t be transphobic...quite obviously they can. And i was annoyed at what i felt was being implied

GreytExpectations · 06/07/2020 14:20

Why are you so keen to dismiss any responsibility for Mermaids, given that they are representing themselves as a source of authority on this issue?

I'm not keen to completly dismiss them, I am keen to not fully blame them. They are an organisation, parents should be seeking actual medical advice from GPS as reccomended in these situations. If they chose to seek only mermaids advise then that's their choice but you cant fully blame mermaids for providing information. It's not an illegal organisation just because some people disagree with them.

NewarkShark · 06/07/2020 14:20

@LemonadeAndDaisyChains

what is transphobic about pointing out that a woman received abuse and that it was from a category of people who claim to speak for trans people?

The fact that trans people are separate people. Not a blob.
You've done it right there. If someone's trans that means they claim to speak for all other trans people?
They have their own minds and opinions just like the rest of us, no-one speaks for anyone else.
Just like for example Myra Hindley would never speak for me.

Oh my God!!! Trans rights activists does not equal trans! As I think I’ve said in this thread, many of them aren’t trans. Many trans people are not TRAs. The “category of people” referred to is not transgender people, or even people supportive of trans rights, it’s trans rights activists who are from all sorts of backgrounds but very aggressive in their attempts to bully and silence women who disagree.

Your post would only start to make sense if I had said “trans people” but I didn’t.

Honestly I cannot believe how disingenuous or deliberately obtuse you just were.

I have been asking throughout this thread for you and others to engage constructively and you say no because too many posters won’t listen, and then you come out with that? I’m disgusted.

blubellsarebells · 06/07/2020 14:22

Its an organisation that is signposting people to a Dr who cant legally practice in this country.
Sterilising children should be illegal.
What Susie Green did to her child was and still is illegal.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 06/07/2020 14:23

You can't claim to be 'neutral' to Mermaids while busting a gut trying to absolve them of any blame in a future (not too distant future) court case.

Quite.

TornadoOfSouls · 06/07/2020 14:25

That would be the parents. Why are you so keen to dismiss the parental responsibility in this?

I don’t think anyone is doing that. One of the clear issues with Mermaids is that they seem to exclude parents to some extent, and that’s been commented on here.

And one might argue that if this is all down to the parents, there is no point in Mermaids at all.

Your own reading of the situation seems to accept that the risks posed by Mermaids are to be weighed more heavily than the assistance they might give. Hence your insistence on parental responsibility and proper medical advice.

Or have I missed something?

Winesalot · 06/07/2020 14:26

Perhaps this is a great time to point out that mermaids has provided many schools with advice and kits. And is no doubt a 'teacher's reference' to best practice to deal with a child experiencing gender dysphoria. They have positioned themselves (and through successful advertising and sponsorship) as the 'go to' full resource organisation.

So yes, parent's definitely should look elsewhere if they are in fact, able and capable of doing that. However, have you noticed that many organisations that would offer a balanced view, that are not affiliated with them or stonewall are dismissed as phobic. (a little like here on this thread).

Perhaps, the solution is that mermaids becomes limited in its influence and completely detaches from being a lobby group and focuses on providing unbiased and balanced support.

NewarkShark · 06/07/2020 14:26

In fact @LemonadeAndDaisyChains, I said in the same post that trans rights activists and transgender people are not the same thing:

Are you saying JKR didn’t receive that abuse, or that it wasn’t from trans rights activists? (Many of whom are not trans)

So please justify popping up accusing me of saying trans people are all “a blob”.

You won’t. You can’t. you blame others for not being able to have a proper conversation when I’ve been trying throughout, then you use a blatant misrepresentation to accuse me of transphobia. You may need to look closer to home for why you can’t have a proper discussion.

tellmewhentheLangshiplandscoz · 06/07/2020 14:28

Ok so this isn't transphobic -

vile, disgusting, misogynistic abuse from trans rights activists

It's just stating some people did something. If the poster had said "all TRAs everywhere are vile, disgusting etc", yes that would be a generalisation.

And the one about rainbows stuffed in ears? Also not transphobic. Whilst it's not complimentary it's not transphobic.

Or are you saying that not being nice = transphobic?

I guess the comment does though highlight how a flag which supports and celebrates all sexual orientation has been hijacked to instead centre lots of lovely gender expressions. Which is nothing to do with sexual orientation. At all.

Winesalot · 06/07/2020 14:31

@blubellsarebells

Its an organisation that is signposting people to a Dr who cant legally practice in this country. Sterilising children should be illegal. What Susie Green did to her child was and still is illegal.
blubellsarebells You will not get any acknowledgment. It seems to be the way that it operates. I asked a few pages ago for specific post examples that are still available to read of trans phobia on mn rather than the constant generalisations and I have heard crickets since.

I have watched this tactic ever since I started lurking on the FWR boards a year ago.

tellmewhentheLangshiplandscoz · 06/07/2020 14:31

Actually I meant to ask a while (although no one will answer, I'm sure)what's some people's beef with Safe Schools Alliance?