In September will the kids who have done homelearning have to sit bored at school while works repeated for the ones that haven't. Or will they start there new' year ' work as normal. Either way it's

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It's not fair either way. The bright kids who have done their homelearning will be held back while it's repeated for the ones which were unable too .....or if it's a new year start with work as normal the ones who didn't do homelearning will have missed work and won't understand. So either is unfair to either groups. So what are the plans for education for September? Repeating work missed from march or new work from sept? Which group will be disavantsged the ones who have done work or haven't ?

@Stuckforthefourthtime

Our school literally linked us to oak national academy...job done. It’s irrelevant what they should or shouldn’t have done in your opinion. They are also still currently doing a job by looking after key worker children the entire time

Seriously? I usually come on to defend teachers in the pile on threads, but if all yours have done is to link you to Oak (a great idea but quite dry, lots of repetition for most kids) and care for key worker kids (a small number at a time, with a large number of staff not entering premises due to shielding / vulnerability for themselves or family) then they're taking the piss and have got you defending them too. Your kids deserve more.

It was a learning curve for all. And yes in the beginning they showed us to oak and white rose maths. We never went onto white rose maths. Oak has been amazing so we haven’t looked at anything else they have sent since as I don’t feel a need. Now they are utilising teams and sending work through that, occasionally we log on and my son does it. But I don’t feel it’s necessary since oak is so good. The point is, there is accessible work out there whether your school has sent it or not. And blaming the schools for your child not doing any home learning is pitiful.

User - they are doing all the other parts of their job that they usually do. For many teachers actual teaching is not what they spend most of the week doing.
Plus they are doing all the additional work caused by the Covid pandemic.

lots of repetition for most kids

It’s almost as if the people making the Oak Academy resources have some idea of how to teach.

If you’ve not heard of Ebbinghaus, you don’t get to comment.

Thanks to noblegiraffe (I think it was on this thread recently) we have just discovered Oak Academy and it seems fab.

Thanks to noblegiraffe (I think it was on this thread recently) we have just discovered Oak Academy and it seems fab.

It looks like I'm so grateful that my comment has posted twice

@noblegiraffe My comment was in reference to the specific pp who said their teachers sent the link to Oak Academy and that was it throughout lockdown - and yes, I'd stand by the fact that they were therefore doing far less than the vast majority of schools and not meeting basic requirements of doing enough to help students and families.

Of course repetition is important. Oak Academy - for many good reasons - started from a point in the curriculum that meant children were often doing the whole of first term again. Consolidation is great, but without differentiation and with dry delivery and overfamiliar content, a large number of families have found it hard to keep excitement up. If you look up the post, I've been supportive of our teachers and teachers in general. Why so angry?

I can't and won't speak for other teachers who may or may not be working flat-out. Either way, it will be a similar set-up for many jobs; some people are working all hours, others have a lighter load than normal.
But surely the only concern a parent should have, is whether their child has access to learning materials to keep them ticking over whilst schools are effectively closed to most. That could be via work provided by their own school, or what's available on Bitesize or Oak. Families should organise that however best it suits them.
Beyond that, what business is it of anyone's what staff at their children's school are doing, any more than it is our business whether Susan and Carol down at the local council offices are fulfilling their usual workload. Chances are they're not, but so what? As long as my bins are emptied each week, why should I care if they're only working mornings at home instead of full days?

Seems to me that a lot of this boils down to jealousy.

In reception, we have just been consolidating previously learned lessons. Phonics, writing, maths, experiments and games to play with family. No one should get bored or left behind.

CallmeAngelina the issue is that most parents of school age children ate working. Pointing parents and DCs in the direction of some material- however useful- doesn't address the fact that it's impossible to simultaneously teach and work. Some of my work colleagues with younger DCs have been doing split shifts with their partner often starting work at 5 or 6am or working into the evening so they can ensure their DCs are doing school work
Some sort of teaching presence for core school hours could alleviate this issue, but even if it cannot, then surely you can see why someone having to work at silly times and spend the rest of the time teaching might be resentful of a teacher with a reduced workload.

And it has been explained countless times why online "teaching presence" is often unsuitable and inaccessible to many, as well as undesirable (by parents as well as staff).

rookiemere what makes you think teachers aren't working these sorts of split shifts with their partner (if they have one) so that their own children receive some sort of attention?

Many teachers are parents. They can't provide 'teaching presence' to other children if they have no-one to look after their own children.

So, by "teaching presence," what you actually mean is remote childcare through the computer screen? Which is not necessary from an educational point of view when many schools are providing learning activities in other ways.

I’m currently re writing the first half term sow to basically recover ks2 short falls before starting KS3. Taking ages and still really a shot in the dark as we have 7 feeder schools who use different sow!

Teachers are key workers. They could have and should have sent their own kids to school so they could relieve another 30 parents up to do their jobs.

Teachers I know were/are: sitting in their gardens all day sunbathing while the weather was hot ( Next door neighbour), going on long bike rides or runs during working hours (Two friendS) , tutoring other kids during work hours because their schools didn’t make them do any work (teacher friends and my own kids tutors) , refused to Call the kids in their classes to make sure they were ok (my own kids school), refused to give any feedback on work or marking (all the teachers I know including my kids teachers), refused to give answers to workSheets given, or work you could read properly, or Any work that wasn’t off bloody oak academy.

What in gods name were these people doing for three months if they weren’t teaching, planning lessons, marking, checking on kids, doing pastoral care. Seriously, what the actual fuck were they doing?

I was doing two jobs so you could have an even longer summer holiday,

I wasn't a key worker unless I was working to look after the children of key workers (ie I was in a school). WFH would not have counted.

I'm confused about the whole curriculum stopping that people have said. Ds was being set new work, I don't know if it's different as he's year 9 though.

Why so angry?

Oh Stuck you were probably in the wrong place at the wrong time, so what follows is also not aimed at you in particular.

But I was up last night till 3am carefully preparing resources for my Y12s (who incidentally are doing perfectly well without live lessons) so that I could spend this morning with my Y2 DD going through the Twinkl worksheets that have so many posters throwing their toys out of their pram and which are actually fine, and when I read your post I’d just come off another thread where a poster had complained that her Y12 had had nothing from the sixth form. Literally nothing. Except a whole bunch of powerpoints and emails and resources. It could have been my school, I don’t know. But fucksake, if one of my Y12 parents dared to moan that I’d provided nothing (except all the stuff I’d worked my arse off providing) I think I’d throw in the towel.

Why so angry? The sheer entitlement, mean-spiritedness and ignorance of some of the posts and threads aimed at teachers over the last three months.

This resource requires effort. That resource is a bit boring. This one covers stuff they’ve seen before. My kid would rather be doing something else.

These are all the whines of a Y9 on a Friday afternoon. And so what? As I alway tell whingey classes I’m a teacher, not an entertainer and I don’t particularly care if its not entirely to their taste, they’re going to sodding well do it anyway.

What on earth is it teaching these kids to say ‘well this is a bit difficult/boring/not entirely to my liking so we’re just going to bin it and play Animal Crossing instead?’.

I totally understand that there are people out there who genuinely cannot manage working and schooling their kids. Like I said I was up till 3am (and I’ll be working again in a minute) to carve out time in the day for it and I’m lucky that I can do that. And some families and kids are really struggling with lockdown. But some just seem to not value education in the slightest and blame the resources for not being effortless, engaging and diverting. Well learning isn’t always like that, sometimes it’s just hard work and maybe I now know where those kids get it from.

Teachers are key workers. They could have and should have sent their own kids to school so they could relieve another 30 parents up to do their jobs

In which case, there would have been very little provision available for other key workers and would clearly have resulted in cross-contamination across households and schools. The majority of teachers would have ended up in school, doing their normal hours so wouldn’t have been available for online provision anyway. We also couldn’t have realistically managed so many extra children in schools when trying to manage social distancing at some level, particularly at the height of infections.

And teachers don’t exist to provide childcare so parents can work, even in a pandemic. I managed to teach online to my usual timetable as a single parent with three children in the house. If I can do it, why can’t other parents?

changeofheart teachers are only key workers when they're on site. They cannot claim key worker status when they were wfh.

Additionally, the govt guidelines from when the schools closed were 'work from home if you possibly can'. That's why schools closed, if you remember.

I think there’s a more important question @howaboutanewname: if you can do it, why the hell can’t the other teachers? Why are parents doing TWO full jobs so teachers can just do the home schooling and no work?

I’m working alongside my children. Doesn’t mean I can do fuck all work, it means I do as much as I can during the day and catch up at night/ at weekends. I don’t see ANY of the many, many teachers I know doing that. Not one. They are all kicking back not even doing their contracted hours. It stinks.

And you wonder why parents/the press/the government are so cross about it.

eachers are key workers. They could have and should have sent their own kids to school so they could relieve another 30 parents up to do their jobs

Except I have been mainly wfh, teaching. The pandemic advice was to only send children in if there was no other way of them being cared for.

Why do you think home schooling is "no work?"

Teachers are key workers. They could have and should have sent their own kids to school so they could relieve another 30 parents up to do their jobs.

Nursery was shut, grandparents shielding so I have a 7mo and 3yo at home. I'm trying my best! Teachers have pre schoolers too.

If I can do it, why can’t other parents?

Have you tried keeping a 7mo and 3yo quiet during a live lesson?!

I’m working alongside my children. Doesn’t mean I can do fuck all work, it means I do as much as I can during the day and catch up at night/ at weekends.
This is the experience of all my teacher colleagues with children at home.

I don’t see ANY of the many, many teachers I know doing that. Not one. They are all kicking back not even doing their contracted hours. It stinks.
Do you know them well enough to itemise every hour? I take my kids to the park in the day. Doesn't mean I don't work all night. Most primary teachers are back in school full time now.