In September will the kids who have done homelearning have to sit bored at school while works repeated for the ones that haven't. Or will they start there new' year ' work as normal. Either way it's

[947EliseChalotte]

It's not fair either way. The bright kids who have done their homelearning will be held back while it's repeated for the ones which were unable too .....or if it's a new year start with work as normal the ones who didn't do homelearning will have missed work and won't understand. So either is unfair to either groups. So what are the plans for education for September? Repeating work missed from march or new work from sept? Which group will be disavantsged the ones who have done work or haven't ?

@SeasonFinale nowhere have I said they are more poorly paid. I've said that it's rare for there to be extreme differences in take home pay. Obviously there are some exceptions and there are other benefits of private. However whenever I look at jobs in the private sector for my role they are the same pay as I'd get in state.

3.5% is one way of looking at it. Missing 4 months of an A level course or a GCSE course is another way of looking at it - and it's not so easy to be chilled about that.

That's what I was thinking. The further down the school kids are the less impact they'd be. Very hard for the exam years and will impact to lesser degrees the next 2/3 years of exams.

My salary went up £9,000 when I started at an independent school. No additional responsibilities.

I want to work where you do haver!!

As with everything there are examples and counter examples.

I think I'd be more concerned about working on my child's resilience for some in this thread. Although I might need to work on my own first.

Were used to huge ability range. A typical year 6 class at my school has at least 1 child new to English, at least one child working below year 3 level, at least one child who can acheive greater depth in SATs standing on their head, and 27 others in between.

It sounds like you arena fantastic teacher, and my DC's teachers have mostly been fantastic too. I still struggle to see how any one person can achieve great results even pre lockdown with 30 children of such varied needs. In the class of my dc2, who is my particular concern as he's academically so far ahead of his year group and so bored, there is a similar makeup, plus another child who has ASD (as does my ds2) with learning difficulties, and some significant behaviour challenges, but only a 1:1 for a small part of the week.

I was already seeing how his very able, committed teacher was working so hard but not able to help all children fulfill their potential and likely threatening burnout herself, it's a huge task to take on. My other dcs are in the middle academically but have also seen them flourish with more 1 on 1 attention and stretch at home on lockdown. The last few months will surely only make difficult situations even worse - maybe this is finally the moment that we acknowledge that classes of 30, at a time with ever increasing numbers of children with additional needs, is not serving anyone's needs in primary.

@mbosnz

I think I'd be more concerned about working on my child's resilience for some in this thread. Although I might need to work on my own first.

How do you do that? Build their resilience?

Well, one of the key ways I've found that works, is after identifying a problem, working with them to find solutions, or ways to mitigate the negative impact.

Looking down, as well as up is good too, while it's natural to look and see what others 'have' that we/I don't, it's also a good idea to look at what we do have, and can appreciate, that many others are sadly feeling the lack of.

Looking forward to things to come, and appreciating and celebrating each step towards what we're looking forward to is good, as well.

'Cheesy' things like a gratitude journal, and mindfulness/breathing exercises, are things me and mine have found to help.

The curriculum was frozen you’re worrying unnecessarily

Well, I'm glad that we've spent 4 hours a day educating our primary school children, just so that your kids can disrupt the class.

@funinthesun19

The bright kids who have done their homelearning will be held back while it's repeated for the ones which were unable too

What makes you think the ones who haven’t been doing work at home aren’t bright? There are loads of children with heaps of potential and are bright but unfortunately homeschooling didn’t work for them.

I thought this too, “the bright kids”???

They'll be put into sets as always and will quickly become obvious who has and hasn't done the set work. Though I imagine it will all be recapped.

There are always some kids ahead and some behind. Some struggle learning at home some do not. Some kids will study at home and still be in a different study group then others. Some may show up emotionally healthy. Other emotionally scarred. sounds like a normal day at school to me.

What a sad thing to worry about.

Whatever. Why are you worrying now in july about this??? Why worry things will pan out

@947EliseChalotte

It's not fair either way. The bright kids who have done their homelearning will be held back while it's repeated for the ones which were unable too .....or if it's a new year start with work as normal the ones who didn't do homelearning will have missed work and won't understand. So either is unfair to either groups. So what are the plans for education for September? Repeating work missed from march or new work from sept? Which group will be disavantsged the ones who have done work or haven't ?

You lost me at "the bright kids"

My two are bright

They've still struggles adapting to their whole entire normality being pulled out from underneath them within 24 hours.

YABVVVU
And a snob.

@Stuckforthefourthtime It’s what we’re trained to do, although I’m really pleased your children have found home learning really fruitful and I hope that you stay in good spirits over the summer break
In September, should things be back to normal - we will have a huge amass of challenges. Some of these will be academic challenges, such as where some children will need a bit of catching up, but your children’s teachers will be used to many levels of differentiation - that’s a really normal part of our job. Other challenges may be social and emotional, children are really social for the most part and a lot will have struggled with lockdown like many of us adults, which will present challenges in itself. Again, pastoral care is a huge part of our job too, as an adult your child trusts its a huge honour to be there for them as they navigate their own problems and struggles and to help them through it.
In short, please don’t worry. There will be children who have done lots of learning at home, and others who have done none at all. There will be children who bound through the door on the first day back and there will be others who find it intensely difficult being separated from their families after so long together. We’re trained and ready to meet them wherever they’re at and to reassure you too that this has been and continues to be an extraordinary time for everyone, adults and children alike - there is no way we can put ordinary expectations on our children on their first day back into the classroom.
Please don’t worry

We set what they would have been studying now and will continue on to what they should be studying in Sept. Our Yr10 kids are being given the opportunity to catch up over the summer themselves (they have no excuse for not doing the first time because they all have iPads, online lessons, constant contact in schools and face to face days). Yet somehow some have still managed not to do a stroke of work 🤷🏻‍♀️

KS3 will just move on to their new units. This works for English. Not sure how Maths, Science or Languages might cope.

@Sittingontheveranda

Being taught in the same class at primary doesn't mean they are doing the same work, I've worked in primary schools with 6 different ability levels and so 6 differentiated tasks.

And again this simply isn’t true for all schools. My DC’s school does NOT do this.

If you’re school isn’t doing this they simpler aren’t doing their job and I would report them to Ofsted. The curriculum allows for children of all abilities to study the same topics. Hence the criteria of working below expected, working at expected, working at greater depth. It is expected that schools allow pupils to work at greater depth on the same topic as a student along from them in the same class may be working below expected. The actual explanation here is that you aren’t aware of the other students in your child’s class or how they are taught. Because it’s absolutely not ok for a school to not teach children to their abilities. Even in the same classroom, even with the same teacher.

For those who think their children have been given no work, there’s many resources out there. You just have to find them. Oak national academy is covering a full curriculum, English, maths, pshe, languages, history, geography, science and re for primary and I assume similar for secondary for year 1 right through to year 10. Every single day there is a schedule. There is absolutely no need for any child to not be doing any home learning because ‘their school hasn’t provided it’ that’s an utterly ridiculous statement to say.

Interesting assumption that the ‘swots’ as you refer to then have kept up with home learning more than the ‘others’.
I’ve seen evidence to suggest the opposite is true.

@saffy2

For those who think their children have been given no work, there’s many resources out there. You just have to find them. Oak national academy is covering a full curriculum, English, maths, pshe, languages, history, geography, science and re for primary and I assume similar for secondary for year 1 right through to year 10. Every single day there is a schedule. There is absolutely no need for any child to not be doing any home learning because ‘their school hasn’t provided it’ that’s an utterly ridiculous statement to say.

But what are the teachers doing at the school that provides nothing? They were being paid to do a job.

Our school literally linked us to oak national academy...job done. It’s irrelevant what they should or shouldn’t have done in your opinion. They are also still currently doing a job by looking after key worker children the entire time. Putting themselves at risk. They are working hard. And their job has never before entailed setting home learning for every student in their school. Give them a break. But don’t say your kids have sat at home not doing anything for 14 weeks because your school doesn’t set them anything, there is home learning out there if you choose to do it. If kids and parents are struggling, it’s absolutely the correct decision not to home school right now. But that decision isn’t down the the teachers.

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But what are the teachers doing at the school that provides nothing? They were being paid to do a job.

The various possibilities have been explained on many of the other threads.

Our school literally linked us to oak national academy...job done. It’s irrelevant what they should or shouldn’t have done in your opinion. They are also still currently doing a job by looking after key worker children the entire time

Seriously? I usually come on to defend teachers in the pile on threads, but if all yours have done is to link you to Oak (a great idea but quite dry, lots of repetition for most kids) and care for key worker kids (a small number at a time, with a large number of staff not entering premises due to shielding / vulnerability for themselves or family) then they're taking the piss and have got you defending them too. Your kids deserve more.

What I think these many threads have highlighted is how in the dark parents are about what really happens in teaching and the huge amount of work that goes on outside the classroom. When one poster made a derogatory comment about when teachers do all this additional work usually- insisting that is must be a lie that it exists- the point was made that this is why the workload issues are driving people out of the job. It is not unusual for the actual school teaching day to only be half of the actual work that needs to be done.
What it has also shown is how many people don't trust teachers- they think this workload issue or explanations given are not true.
This is exactly why there is a huge recruitment issue. Every single one of my colleagues is very dedicated and works exceptionally hard and it is genuinely a tiny minority who do not. The fact is you will not last in teaching like that as you will be forced out and choose to leave of your own accord unless you are truly committed.
Likewise a number of parents have shown a few
appreciation and that has been wonderful to see. Teachers are not saying they have the hardest job in the world but there is an awful culture of disbelief and cynicism about the realities of the job and how tough it is. The fact that a job which to an outsider seems to have so many alleged perks eg supposedly short hours and holidays, has huge retention and recruitment issues should ring massive alarm bells for people yet there is still a dispute about the facts of the job as presented by teachers. That is extremely saddening.