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To report this person to their employer for hate speech?

573 replies

NickMyLipple · 03/07/2020 20:39

I've attached a screenshot - I am not friends with this person. She does however display her work on social media and she is in her uniform with her lanyard on display in her profile picture and in other photos which are accessible to the public.

It's NHS Values Week and I feel very strongly that if you're going to publically display your workplace you need to be responsible in not making such racist and hateful comments.

I called her out on it and the post has now been deleted.

AIBU to call the HR department and complain, or should I leave it and hope that she thinks carefully before she posts in future?

To report this person to their employer for hate speech?
OP posts:
Casschops · 04/07/2020 20:15

If she has a profession that has a governing body this needs to be reported.

lboogy · 04/07/2020 20:18

If she's in a position of power over ethic minorities such as a teacher , police, courts etc I'd report her. If she's in a position of caring for BAME ppl I'd report her. If she holds no power to individually impact someone's life then I'd say it was sufficient to point out her views are aberrant

lboogy · 04/07/2020 20:18

If she's in a position of power over ethic minorities such as a teacher , police, courts etc I'd report her. If she's in a position of caring for BAME ppl I'd report her. If she holds no power to individually impact someone's life then I'd say it was sufficient to point out her views are aberrant

Goosefoot · 04/07/2020 20:20

@Evelefteden

Goosefoot there was a non white poster on this thread who said she didn’t want a totalitarian society. She was shut down immediately. She obviously didn’t have the right non white views ...
Lots of non-white and black people have talked about this, on MN, in the media, in academia. I think Trevor Phillips wrote something on it fairly recently actually, maybe in The Times?And that interview with Ayishat Akanbi she is pretty fierce in denouncing this sort of control of speech.
Splodgetastic · 04/07/2020 20:22

BAME people don’t have a monopoly on receiving poor care as a result of a health care professional’s personal views and a lot of BAME people work in the healthcare sector too. Anyone who has tried to obtain emergency contraception recently will no doubt have been on the sharp end of health care so-called professionals’ personal religious views, whether Christian, Muslim or whatever other sky pixies are believed in.

lboogy · 04/07/2020 20:36

@Splodgetastic

BAME people don’t have a monopoly on receiving poor care as a result of a health care professional’s personal views

No one said they did. However am I to assume a racist would provide me with the same level of care as a person from their ethnic group when we have seen that the manifestation of racism results in people dying?

Goosefoot · 04/07/2020 20:48

[quote lboogy]@Splodgetastic

BAME people don’t have a monopoly on receiving poor care as a result of a health care professional’s personal views

No one said they did. However am I to assume a racist would provide me with the same level of care as a person from their ethnic group when we have seen that the manifestation of racism results in people dying?[/quote]
Well, let me ask you this.

I I am a conservative Muslim, or an Amish person wearing traditional garb, etc, and my NHS nurse is wearing la Rainbow lanyard, can I assume I will get the same level of care as anyone else?

You could ask the same, reversed.

Evelefteden · 04/07/2020 20:52

No one said they did. However am I to assume a racist would provide me with the same level of care as a person from their ethnic group when we have seen that the manifestation of racism results in people dying

Well yes or they would get sacked. I’m sure there are Doctors, nurses, dentists, police, judges with all sorts of differing views. If they don’t do their jobs properly- they get sacked.

EnthusiasmIsDisturbed · 04/07/2020 20:55

I think if you do report (and see no reason why not) then you do have to keep reporting

You can’t pick and choose who you report on your knowledge of their situation and you personal feelings towards them

This is where I think it gets tricky as I am sure we all turn a blind eye at times

Evelefteden · 04/07/2020 20:58

Anyone who has tried to obtain emergency contraception recently will no doubt have been on the sharp end of health care so-called professionals’ personal religious views, whether Christian, Muslim or whatever other sky pixies are believed in

This^^ I’ve worked in a chemist where a locum wouldn’t give out the mourning after pill. It was incredibly embarrassing.

Also my friend wanted to see her GP about an abortion and her GP told her to wait outside whilst they found another GP who would deal with her. She say outside waiting for around half an hour, humiliated untill the receptionist told her she would have to rebook to see another GP at a later date as one wasn’t available.

I’m not sure if the lady refused the after morning pill ever complained but I know my friend didn’t. Nothing would have been done anyway as they were allowed to behave that way on religious beliefs.

YgritteSnow · 04/07/2020 21:02

You can’t pick and choose who you report on your knowledge of their situation and you personal feelings towards them

Indeed. All of you clamouring for OP to report, would you report family members? Your Dad, your sister, your BIL, your cousin, if they expressed a racist view? Genuine question.

tinyvulture · 04/07/2020 21:13

I learnt something new just now. Genuinely didn’t know that Christians and Muslims believed in sky pixies. Well, you live and learn.....

And yes, OP, I’d report her. Can’t abide degrading and disrespectful hate-speak in any of its many manifestations......

StillCoughingandLaughing · 04/07/2020 21:14

You can’t pick and choose who you report on your knowledge of their situation and you personal feelings towards them

Really? All these people claiming racist woman was merely exercising her right to free speech... doesn’t the OP, and everyone else, have the freedom to speak out when they feel like it? Aren’t you going to fight for their freedom of speech?

DuineArBith · 04/07/2020 21:14

@Warsawa31

Just a point here - if her SM presence was purely personal - no connection to her place of work, would it be justified reporting this to her employer?

Free speech isn’t hate speech

But this unquestionably is hate speech. Many employers have social media policies precisely because they are well aware that employees’ social media activity can reflect badly on them and affect their business.
EnthusiasmIsDisturbed · 04/07/2020 21:19

I meant in this context

If you are going to report someone for being racist then you should also be willing to report friends or even family for expressing racist views online

I am not discouraging the OP from reporting but questioning can you remain objective in doing so

ArnoldBee · 04/07/2020 21:26

I read an article earlier which for me triggered the question of if the person who made the comment was aware of some of the background to this factory?
The article cited that an emoloyee was paid £4 an hour who had entered the UK 20 years ago on a tourist visa. If they knew this you could argue that in fact the comment wasn't racist.

MrsHuntGeneNotJeremyObviously · 04/07/2020 21:34

I don't agree with complaining to people's bosses. You said your piece, now let it go. Trying to get someone sacked is skanky behaviour and makes you no better than her.

EnthusiasmIsDisturbed · 04/07/2020 21:35

Oh come on the comment was racist

That’s why it was deleted

StillCoughingandLaughing · 04/07/2020 21:36

One person is a racist... the other person reports a racist.

Yeah, I can see how one is as bad as the other.

MrsHuntGeneNotJeremyObviously · 04/07/2020 21:43

Keeping her job should be dependent on how she behaves at work. Her SM posts don't mean she doesn't behave as she should in her workplace.
Cancel culture is doing our society no good

EnthusiasmIsDisturbed · 04/07/2020 21:45

Stop twisting what I said

I said if you do report and as in previous post I said I see no reason why not you do have to remain objective

And I do think if you take that on (based on posts on social media) you should also be prepared to report a friend or family

Not pick and choose who you report if you do you have to remain objective - you are reporting them because of their expressed racist views not because well I don’t really like them or I can’t because our children are best friends and I know thy would struggle for money

EnthusiasmIsDisturbed · 04/07/2020 21:47

Sorry just realised the post wasn’t towards mine

isitfridayyet1 · 04/07/2020 21:54

Report her please, it's totally unacceptable. To disagree with a previous poster, keeping your job isn't just dependent on how you behave at work.

If that was the case why do some financial companies check your social media, past convictions and credit score before giving you a firm offer of a job.

Obviously as an individual your overall persona, values and character have a massive affect on your suitability for particular professions. If that wasn't the case for example, an animal abuser should be able to work with children or with vulnerable people, because 'hey what you do outside of work doesn't matter'Hmm

LadyGAgain · 04/07/2020 22:14

Oh FFS @MrsHuntGeneNotJeremyObviously
Seriously???
Dear society. Here in 👆🏽lies the problem.

Duvetdoggy · 04/07/2020 22:22

Yes I would report family members. Because I have made a choice as a conscientious human who believes in equality to always challenge racism. Its not a random contextual sport for me , it is a deeply felt active commitment to human rights.